Grass GOAT

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  1. gj011

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    This thread is missing after the other two.

    My vote goes to Sampras.
     
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    The reason this thread was missing is because most think it is a non-argument. It's Samp without question.

    By the way, that is a sweet avatar. Very appropriate for a thread about grass.:)
     
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  3. fastdunn

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    sampras without a question so far. but i am not sure how good sampras would be on current slower bouncier grass courts.
     
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  4. gj011

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    I thought claycourt GOAT is non-argument too.

    Thanks :) I hope you can recognize who is on the picture.
     
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    That's a good point. There is no arguing with 6 FO titles.

    Sorry I can't come up with who it is. Maybe a clue?
     
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  6. gj011

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    He was in the QF of the last big tournament.
     
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  7. shwetty[tennis]balls

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    For now Sampras. We'll see if Federer can outrun him.
     
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  8. yourmom08

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    tipsarevic im guessing?
     
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  9. edmondsm

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    Got to be Tipsarevic?
     
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    Who is GOAT, why is he GOAT,........

    STOP the discussion, because I got him GOAT!

    Here he is - GOAT:

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    :)
     
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  11. zagor

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    Sampras in my opinion.I don't think I will change my opinion even if Federer were to somehow win 7 or 8 Wimbledons.
     
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    Sampras on the old grass but I think Federer would be better on the modern grass.
     
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  13. 93sq.

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    Sampras...of course
     
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    Sampras served like a machine on grass. Agassi was lucky in 91, he would never have beaten Sampras on grass!
     
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  15. ATXtennisaddict

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    Weren't a lot of older slams played on grass too? So you have to consider those greats who won non-wimby slams on grass.

    But of course, Sampras takes the cake.
     
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  17. Vision84

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    Wimbledon doesn't play like grass anymore so no one in the current generation counts.
     
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  18. Lotto

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    Well Lads and Lassies. Sampras was a great on the grass no doubt and I believe he is the greatest. The thing is that if Federer wins 6 or 7 straight titles at Wimbledon and wins more Wimbledons then Sampras then he is the GOAT on grass because he beat him in 2001. Sampras has never beaten Fed on grass. But still Sampras is the best unless Federer cracks his record.
     
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  19. ninman

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    Yes but Sampras's longest winning streak on grass was around 26 matches I believe, Federer is currently at 54. Sampras only ever managed 1 year unbeaten on grass, Federer has gone 5. Sampras won 3 in a row then 4 in a row at Wimbledon, Federer is at 5 in a row. Sampras was a great grass courter, and a brilliant serve and volleyer, but I think currently Federer's record is better.

    I think for Federer to truly surpass Sampras, he needs to win Wimbledon 3 more times, i.e. the same years that Sampras won his last Wimbledon's.
     
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  20. superman1

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    I don't think it's exactly equal. The grass courts were faster when Sampras played, and a lot of his competition served big and volleyed well. Federer's grass court wins are mostly baseline battles against pure baseliners.
     
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  21. crawl4

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    yeh true that

    go fed
     
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  22. NLBwell

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    When people poke at him being the GOAT, they always say, "Well, 3 of the 4 slams were on grass then." Between 1962 (amateur) and 69 (open) he won 6 straight slam tournaments in a row on grass. He had a pretty impressive record in the intervening pro-only years, also.

    He wasn't very big, but like Bobby Riggs, he used the grass to make his serve extremely difficult to return well. He was a better volleyer than Sampras and had better passing shots.
     
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    With today's slower surface, you also need a ground game. You need, say, a backhand. Pete is lucky he retired when you did.
     
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  24. leonidas1982

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    Can't really call Federer a grass GOAT since grass courts, especially Wimbledon, have lost their characteristics. Bjorn was great because he was able to change his baseline game to serve and volley for Wimbledon -- a real feat.
     
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    its remarkable how many kids these days don't remember that once upon a time ppl thought sampras' one hander may have been the best at that time.
     
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  26. leonidas1982

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    ^^^ Ha, classic. It certainly is true.
     
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    Greatness on grass is measured by Wimbledon trophies, as of now it is absolutely no debate, Fed I highly doubt will catch him either....Its Pete Sampras
     
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    I wonder how the courts are really like these days.

    People say Wimbledon is slower. Then when Federer beat Nadal last year at Hamburg people mentioned it wasnt a true clay court since it played fast.
     
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    I agree with you here but even if the grass didn't change I think Fed would still have won all his Wimbledon tittles. That said my vote would be Sampras. Behind Pete in no particular order would be Mac, Fed, Becker, Borg, and Edberg. I can't add the old timers (Laver etc......) cause I never saw them played.
     
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  31. superman1

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    Lolz. I'm sure Agassi is kicking himself right now, thinking, "damn, I should have gone to Pete's backhand! Then I would have won every point!"

    Sampras won the US Open 5 times. I'd say he was pretty damn good from the baseline.
     
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    Nobody gets lucky at Wimbledon, especially not a baseliner on the old grass.
     
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    Pete worked guys from the baseline. This is the biggest myth in tennis.
     
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  34. leonidas1982

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    ^^^ I presume he never heard of Pete's running forehand, or the fact that he has one of the best forehands.
     
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    We'll never know. Wimbledon is a neutral surface now, back then it was a polarizing surface. Even if you were great on the stuff, like Sampras, once in a while you could meet someone who could serve lights out and bring it down to a couple of points here and there.
     
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    the fact that Sampras almost won Wimbledon 8 straight, to win 7 in the 8-yr span. I say Pete is the man. pretty F*cking amazing.
     
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    Borg or Sampras, fed needs time by now.
     
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    Pete Sampras
     
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  41. deme08

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    Federer's 5 straight Wimbledon tiltes and 54 matches (and counting) winning streak on grass are amazing accomplishments.
     
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    1. Sampras
    2. Federer
    3. Borg

    Federer isn't the GOAT on any surface, but he might very well be the GOAT of tennis, because he's so good on every surface
     
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    It's got to be Krajicek because he beat the grass King on his beloved surface and in his prime. :wink:
     
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    Smart - so smart

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    Fed, a bit red?

    He's terrific, but he's had a hard year so far....wonder if it's cause of Pete, or mono:shock:

    Francella
     
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    Yeap....I saw the match at Wimby when Krajicek won. boy was he cool that day. you could see it on his face..."ok, Pete, see if you can knock this tree over? So I wasn't happy at the end of that match....since Pete's #1 to me. But I always like Richard........more than Fed. Francella
     
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    But Pete's playing again...and he's going to do that round robin in London in December...that's competition, not just expos. But he showed well against Fed even if the overall score is now 3-1. I was at MSG, and Pete was tired that last set....but oh so painfully close to taking it at 5-3. It's still a real pleasure to watch him play; his style is just so so so beautiful on court. Guess you can tell I'm a real fan.:)
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    You don'think Fed will surpass Pete? He's still young, and only has to win 3 more? I don't like it, but I've accepted it; I just wish Fed had come along 10 years from now so that Pete could enjoy his GOAT longer.
    Francella
     
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    p.s. There's still that 6 years#1 to overcome, too
     
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