Grass way faster than clay

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  1. insideguy

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    I don't know about wimby but not sure how anyone can say Halle is not a super fast low bouncing service. All of these guys are having max 3 or four stroke rallies. Opposing player hits a good flat shot at the lines and guys just look at it don't even bother to move.
     
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  2. Rock Strongo

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    Halle is the fastest on tour, little surprise there.

    Helps that the players who attend are usually of the aggressive type.
     
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  3. tennis_pro

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    Halle is a legit grass court, not like Claybledon.
     
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    Although I've just watched highlights of the Monfils-Hernych match and they were playing surprisingly long rallies. Easily between 5 and 10 strokes per rally.
     
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    Still way way slower than pre-2001 Wimbledon.

    Post-2003 Wimbledon is effectively a clay court event by the time it reaches
    its 2nd week, IMHO.
     
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  6. LeeD

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    Can any Monfil's vs Raonic match really last more than 5 shots, on any surface?
    Fastest and quickest guy on tour vs big hitter who changes directions the worst.
     
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  7. Lukhas

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    Well, serves rained...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gf1J5kcmHM
     
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  8. insideguy

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    Its pretty freaking fast dude. If its way slower than pre 2001 Wimbledon, then pert 2001 Wimbledon was to fast.:neutral:
     
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  9. ultradr

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    Average strokes per point on grass courts has been 2-3 before 2001 for
    the most of tennis history, AFAIK.
     
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  10. MTF07

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    Not really fair to compare, because there were more serve and volley players prior to this decade. Halle could be just as fast as pre-2001 Wimbledon, but that doesn't mean players that play from the baseline will start serve and volleying on it.
     
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    Our cable/satellite systems must be the same - and broken. I just saw the same - not on all points but on quite a few - between Nishikori and Youzhny. Yeah, faster than RG - but nothing like 90's grass tourneys.
     
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  12. Sorana fan

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    Yeah, boring tennis. No rallies, pure boredom.
     
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    Agree. People say that watching Djokovic/Nadal on clay is boring.... I just don't get it.

    To me, there is nothing more boring than watching a grass match with no S&V. However, the WTF might be as boring.
     
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    Of course grass is much faster than clay: always has been and always will be.
     
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    Which is why Rafa doesn't play them.
     
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    personally I find it boring to watch because there are only 2 or 3 shots. i almost fell asleep.
     
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  17. InspectorRacquet

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    There are already plenty of statements on this thread that claim boredom because the surface is too fast and doesn't generate long rallies. These are the kinds of responses the organizers listen to, and is why all the surfaces are pretty slow these days.

    As soon as we actually get to see fast play, everyone just calls it boring and turns off the TV. No wonder there are hardly any fast courts these days.

    I think the fast grass game is a breath of fresh air and a good change from the clay season. Long rallies still happen - just not on every point like clay.
     
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    Or it's the TV companies saying "look we can fit in way more commericals if you slow play down so just do it".
     
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    That assumes that viewers want longer matches, otherwise they could show something else
     
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  20. WhiskeyEE

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    I've read that Halle and Queens are comparable. And they don't get worn to **** like Wimbledon so they still play like grass courts in the later rounds.

    Newport is actually supposed to be the fastest. Its grass is like 90s grass. But it isn't a relevant tournament I guess.
     
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    I am guessing this thread should be SARCASTIC
     
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    I watched few matches from Halle and it is plain "suckage". Boring crap: Player 1 hits BIG forehand, point won. Player 2 makes 3 unforced errors. Big serve. Match completed.

    - too fast: Absolutely no tactics, only one big shot and its done
     
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  23. Lukhas

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    Well I didn't get away with posting a Cpt. Obvious pic, so the OP may actually be serious, or someone can't sustain any amount of joking about such an obvious comment. Well, Wimbledon will be slow in second week as usual, just give some time to the players to destroy the grass in first week.
     
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  24. WhiskeyEE

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    It's called 1-2 tennis and it's infinitely more entertaining than the pushing practice sessions we see on clay courts.
     
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    I was watching Queens and with this slow grass, the matches are still whizzing by(I think Delpo won his latest match in 50 minutes or something). The points are generally kept quite short though it's not quite the one-two punch that some people seem to be talking about. More like 4-6 shots with baseline play, depending on the quality of the serve.

    Now compare to the clay season that just passed us. Even on the fastest clay, the points were longer and serve didn't play a huge part.

    These 2 surfaces are still quite different. Not to the extremes like in the past but green clay this is not.
     
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  26. tennis_pro

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    You had your boring clay season just now. Don't like it - don't watch it.
     
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  27. Ecoplex

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    Perhaps you were watching 1990's Winmbledon match reruns?
    I have seen plenty of lengthy rallies at Halle.. Nadal and Djoker aren't playing so the actual match time is shorter due to lack of thirty second serves.
     
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  28. insideguy

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    Yep. I know it seems so "obvious" to some but some people insist that surfaces are so similar to each other now a days:shock::shock: there literally is no difference. If any tennis fan is watching these matches the last week compared to those of the clay season they cannot possibly come away with that opinion. :shock:
     
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