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  1. sundaypunch

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    It's not a waste of money when you lose. It opens your eyes to a type of player that you don't have the tools to beat. You will encounter pushers at age 8, 12, 18, etc. No, you don't want to play them all the time. You can't avoid them and will need to figure out a way to win when someone bunts the ball back.
     
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    Play her up in the 14's then.
     
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    lately my son has been losing to a pusher he once used to beat, it is ugly, i would have quit tennis and never touched a racquet if i were him, but he still puts up a fight, very proud of him.

    guys it is not about the win but about how you pick yourself up and fight another battle, my 10 year old son has more courage in his toe than my whole 46 years of living.
     
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    TCF, You have a very special and talented 8 yr old. If she doesn't complain about playing tournaments and enjoys collecting plastic trophies, you should let (or even encourage) her play. I would sign her up for another tournament this big pusher is to play to have a rematch. BTW, you may want to search for applicants and check Tennisrecruiting.net to see if any high ranked 11-12 year olders are to play. Many blue chippers and 5 stars play local tournaments in Florida. You may have to drive a couple of hours... She will get to play quality players, including a few better pushers than the one she played last weekend. Players are stronger surely for higher level tournaments. As many posters suggested, our kid can learn so much more from tournament matches than match plays.
     
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    Wow absolutley blind or as most call it hypocricy , you are right his girl is running into pushers , so did we , his girl will play injured and win and lose , we did ! but the great part is , he is not using the excuses he is using LOL , way to funny , I am gonna sit back and just laugh . Thanx for pointing it out if I did It would look like sour grapes .

    TCF your already using excuses how many tourneys in are you ?
     
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  8. Chemist

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    How about accumulating enough ranking points to play higher level tournaments, sectional L5, L4 and L3 and even national events?
     
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    playing her up is smart , like the other poster said he is in a win win situation !!!
    My player owned the 10's by 8 and was in control of most the 12's, top 10 by 9 yr of age so will have to see if she gets near that ,, Fl. is comparable to CA
     
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    TCF, could you elaborate that more I'd be interested
     
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    I really would discuss about this more: for how long it's possible to delay regular official tournaments (with traveling waiting etc) IF there is a weekly even daily possibility to play competively against plenty of very good, everchanging (academy setting), even international top players of your own age group and older? (With coaches and grazy parents watching :shock: for pressure)

    Who thinks it's even possible to become a top pro with this kind of an arrangement (If there is enough talent and good coaching of course)?

    So basically tournaments only once in a while (only few per year) until...15, 16? Forgetting completely junior rankings until then?
     
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  12. chalkflewup

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    I think it's next to impossible to make it as a pro with ANY kind of arrangement.
     
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    Of course but is the simulation of pro tour for the kids one of those magic ingredients?
     
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    I think matches including tournaments are essential. You can't simulate the experience of playing in a tournament when your name shows up in red on the draw (seed). And the earlier and the more often that happens, the more the player will learn about competing. I'm probably in the minority in my thinking but that's the path I put my kid on since age 8.
     
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    I agree chalk...
     
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  17. ga tennis

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    still put her in the tournaments T.C.F.
     
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    Lets not bring up the past lets move forward. We have all said things on this site that have rubbed people the wrong way. Lets just move forward with positive post and try to help each other. This is a lonely sport and TT has always been there for me to help navigate the way thru this roller coaster journey. I am not gonna be confrontational anymore with fellow posters and it would be nice if everyone bought into that mindset. We have something here that is priceless lets just move forward and stop taking shots at each other. No one is perfect and no one has the right answer for each unique situation.The past is the past forgive and forget and lets work together and help each other develop our kids.
     
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    Say what you will, there's a difference between practice matches (no matter the perceived pressure), and ladder matches, challenge matches on a team, dual matches on a team and tournament matches. I don't doubt the level of practice match and player is good. But if you're going to simulate pressure, their needs to be a consequence for winning a losing. i.e. If you want real pressure in your group, create a ladder. You win you go up, you lose stay where you are or you go down the ladder. Or, the winner gets Gatoraid, the loser gets water.

    Otherwise play her up in the 14's or play in the higher level tournaments. Now if your just going to skip those for a while, fine, just say it. I know a number of parents who had their girls skip the 10's to play the 12's and even then played the up when appropriate in the 14's with good success.
     
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    I second!:)

    CTF seems to be convinced that he is going to develop his highly talented girl in a unique way, which may be similar to what Richard Williams did. So, I guess we won't get to hear his story of how his 8 yr older beats that 6' tall pusher:(

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serena_Williams
     
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    T.C.F has a plan just like Brad has a plan. Neither one is any better than the other. Many Many ways to skin a cat...What works for player A might not work for player B. There is no one size fits all. I think what Brad has done with limited funds is absolutely REMARKABLE!! I think what T.C.F is doing with his baby is impressive as well. I hope they both become the best players they can be.
     
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  23. Number1Coach

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    The pressure is never the same as a real tournament and trust me those players are not giving it their all in practice "no way",according to you or at least thats what you claimed in the past with my player !!!!
     
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    I totally agree! They are developing champions. I wish the best for TCF's daughter and Brad's son as well as your daughter and son!:)
     
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    BTW saw that kid with my own eyes in NOV driving a car all around Boca ,OH yah he is 14 yrs old right ???

    If the girl you were playing kept the ball between the lines and your girl couldn't then your girl got spanked PLAIN AND SIMPLE !!!!!!!!!!
     
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    THANKS CHEMIST!!!!! I WISH THE SAME FOR YOUR KID AS WELL!!!! How old is your child??
     
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    In SO CAL the toughest section in the nation ,at 8 yrs old DB was beating all the 10 yr olds and as he turned 9 was taking over the 12's , we need to see results as part of that development especially when its in your own back yard , he then showed up at the Orange Bowl this year at 16 yr ranked 633 in the world and put a beat down on the top Croatian top 20 itf , so the front door and back door will be pounded on !!!
     
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  28. Number1Coach

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    so i guess everyone on here hears the music that TCF is strumming that his daughter is going to be a top player ,, wow sounds like Brad did a few years ago yeah ??? Amazing
     
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    A weeping willow grows really fast but doesnt live that long. A Ginkgo tree grows very slow and lives over 300 years. :)
     
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    Yea, but according to some here lets not revisit facts and history here. Kind of like our leaders in D.C.

    That said, it is probably best not to beat that drum over and over. We know the history. I will say let's provide the best advice. Moving on.
     
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  31. ga tennis

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    Yep I Agree Let The Past Be The Past!!!!!!
     
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  32. Number1Coach

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    i hear you just really shocked that he sounds just like the guy typing a few years ago but in his eyes its different , my friend always said Mr.B dont ever wear rose colored glasses and I have done my best not to also never put people down for what you do or are gonna do .

    I just think it will be interesting to see how she does in the Fl. rankings and if she gets close to what DB did being no.1 in each age group at least a year ahead .

    But she will need to get at least 1 win soon .
     
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  33. chalkflewup

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    So at 14, 15, or 16 who cares. The kid is a wizard and the results support it. Once you play ITFs, Futures and Challengers, the age thing just doesn't matter.
     
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  35. Number1Coach

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    i agree because if your small and have won playing defensively at and early age it will catch you , if you are big and have played aggressively and won a lot that will catch you also , but I much rather get caught with size .
     
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    top 5 in the nation over the last year in the 18's at 16 absolutely dominating one of the top Europeans in the OB on Clay , I agree your right proving you can show up to the big tourney and show you belong is good .

    Let us know when she gets that 1st win ??

    BTW very relevant you want her to go pro and your starting at 8 yrs old with your decision and we wanted to go pro at 8 ,Jan Silva at 5 and so on and so on , same situation just another parent chasing a dream that cant be caught except by the inner city athletic freaks !
     
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  37. Olybel

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    I cannot resist to say as reader and follower of the most junior topics here that something is fake in TCF every post story about his daughter.

    Withdrawal from competition is not a option for talented tennis player in any age. Tennis player must bite for win, will and play everyone, give maximum every time.

    This kind of delay is only for later admitting that kid is(were) not talent after all. Just built up in parents mind.
     
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  38. NLBwell

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    To TCF and #1 Coach, take the criticism with a grain of salt, nothing wrong with poking a little fun at you.
    as someone once said -
    "Just smile and wave boys, just smile and wave."
     
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  39. Number1Coach

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    I am waving haha
     
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    this is the guy that said last year his girl was hitting like Serena and a year later getting spanked by a tall ,lanky , girl who was pushing but was also strong enough and athletic enough to keep it between the lines .
     
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    Brad whats Deits next tourney??
     
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  42. Bash and Crash

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    It is interesting, since I've been following you guys on here TCF has usually said he did not care if she became a tennis pro or something else, just that she is happy and doing what she loves to do. Very eye opening to see the affect of junior competition and development on tennis parents.
     
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    Wow, $100+?! Ouch! I just cringed at a $54 L4.
     
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    $100? Are you entering a national event? Down here in Georgia most of the tournaments are around $48. Some are less, sectional and national tournaments are around $100
     
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    As a new poster on this forum, I would like to give my opinion on the subject of juniors and professional tennis. I have played at every level (juniors,college D-1,futures) so I believe I have adequate knowledge. To start, congratulations to BB and DB on their success. To achieve a top 10 national ranking in 18s as a sixteen year old is amazing and shows the hard work he puts in. That being said, the time has come at his current age to let professional futures results dictate the next move. Forget juniors at this point outside of a few big events, as you have already secured a scholarship at a top D-1 school if you want it. Play 10-12 futures events for the next two years and see where you stand as a professional. If at 18 years old DB is ranked 1200 ATP, time to go to college. If he is ranked inside the top 300 ATP, he has a legitimate chance to be a money making pro. This is what all top ITF juniors are doing and it is the right path. The next subject I will discuss tonight will be the financial pitfalls of a professional career. Not a fun topic at all. Later.
     
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    Bullfrogs!!!!
     

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