Great Interview with Fred Stolle(doesn't hold anything back)

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  1. Moose Malloy

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    read this on the TC website. I always wondered what happened with him & ESPN. was it Pmac that replaced him?

    some excepts(it was a long article, check the link)

    http://www.tennischannel.com/news/NewsDetails.aspx?newsid=6417
     
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  2. Jonny S&V

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    Credible proof that Federer has technically wrong volleys that he gets away with. Same with Nadal in my opinion.
     
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    Thanks to Moose for the post. Always liked Fred.
     
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    “You can only beat the competition that is out there, but having said that if you look at the guys the Woodies [Mark Woodforde and Todd Woodbridge] played in their Wimbledon finals, they beat Eltingh-Haarhuis, Connell-Galbraith, Black-Connell, Leach-Melville, and Haarhuis and[ my son] Sandon Stolle. You are not going to tell me that you can put that up there with Emerson and myself against McKinley-Ralston or Newcombe and Roche against Stolle and Rosewall. What would you rather watch: Newcombe and Roche against Stolle-Rosewall or Eltingh-Haarhuis playing Woodforde-Woodbridge?”

    Well-put!
     
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  5. 35ft6

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    I liked Fred, too, but I thought him and Drysdale weren't very good together. Pat and Cliff are arguably even worse. Stolle was probably better than Cliff though. Depressing thinking about all the terrible commentators out there.
     
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    You can tell when people learned to volley with wood. It's very different. Not sure if it will come back. Almost every pro I see volley seem to slice it too much IMO. Not sure if it's a true technical flaw or if the game is evolving because the way guys hit so hard now, the slicing has the effect of absorbing some of the pace.
     
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    I'm only 18 though, and I hit "old-school" volleys at the collegiate level, and I'm arguably the best volleyer on my team.
     
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    ^ Upload a video. I believe you, just want to see.

    Pros seem to carve under their volleys more. Older guys who played competitively with wood hit the ball way more flush and take more compact swings. Very nice to watch.
     
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    You have no idea how much I want to get a vid up... I might be able to get a vid of me volleying against a wall, but since I live an hour and half from the nearest indoor courts, it might be a week or two before I get a vid of me volleying on a court... I am playing a tournament this coming weekend (on 2.5 weeks of no hitting... hopefully I can convince the tourney director to let me at least serve on friday a bit...) so I might be able to get something up then, but idk, we'll see... Yeah, my volleys are flat with a smidge of underspin under normal circumstances, but I have the capability to carve them if the situation calls.
     
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    6000th post hey 35? :)

    On topic: I wonder if the 'increased carving' that is seen (now) is to counter the increased top that the ball is coming with? Most acknowledge volleying is harder now against balls with ridiculous work thanks to poly etc, I wonder if it's a cause and effect game?
     
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    Maybe it's to compensate for not getting down to the ball. Or, in the case of Federer, a looser stringbed. Maybe he feels like he's gotta put a little wrist english into the shot.

    I found Stolle's comment about the diminishing serve and volley game as a result of current coaches not being familiar with that style of play. I'd like to hear him (and others) say more about that.

    I miss the Stolle-Dreysdale tandem for ESPN. They were the guys in the booth when I started watching tennis. Great insight. I was wondering what happened and it sounds like his relationship with ESPN ended badly. That's too bad.

    I really miss hearing "The Fiery One" point out when a player's 'gone off the boil' - loved that one.
     
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    The first thing I was going to mention is that Stolle is one of the best technical commentators tennis has seen. He is INCOMPARABLE to his old partner Drysdale who is absolutely clueless about tennis mechanics....really bizzare actually. Stolle was no Tony Trabert, but he was generally good at observing the actual mechanics and play that was occuring.

    Second, thanks Fred for basically saying what I have posted about Fed's volley!

    Drysdale...who has a nice voice and that's about it...should have been gone. Stolle should still be there. Trabert should be there. Pmac is obnoxious, Carillo is now sloppy and useless....blech!
     
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    Oh yeah! Thanks for that as well, which I have also posted! I like Stolle more than ever! lol.

    PS. Fred used to argue with his kid about old time strategy vs then-modern strategy in the 90's!
     
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    Wow, 6000th. Didn't even notice. In fact, didn't even know how many posts I had. Never looked.

    Great point about the spin. I was thinking in terms of sheer pace, but you're probably right about the spin.
     
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    Just happened to see a large round number sitting there as I checked who I was replying too :)

    Yeah, the more I think people understimate the challenge of hitting, let alone volleying, pro-level balls.

    I coach - but not at a level where this discussion is really in my sphere. Next time I'm chatting to some 'guru' coaches I'll be sure to get their opinion....
     
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    When I watched a lot the absolute best was Stolle, Carillo and Drysdale. She was not stale back then but very intuitive and insightful , cliff was smooth as silk and Fred was very mechanically knowledgeable. I learned a lot from them and laughed at their humor.
     
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    I always liked good ole Stolle. He always sounded like a guy who really knew his stuff, and you could go have a beer with.
     
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    100% agree with you. Loved that trio!
    They had a really good chemistry together that brought out the best in each.
     
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    Carillo has really come off the rails in the past years. She was once very good. Now, she still has her moments, but she's such an oddball and seems to be trying SO hard to be witty and insightful.
     
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