Greatest Forehands of All Time

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  1. NatF

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    Soderling wouldn't be the same if he came back sadly. He was becoming one of my favorites, it's a shame because he was perhaps at his peak. He'd be at #5 right now above Ferrer IMO.
     
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    Berdych,Gimeno,Soderling and Jaite or Medvedev to make it 40
     
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    Is Soderling more consistent than Berdych?
     
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    1. Federer
    2. Segura
    3. Lendl
    4. Nadal
    5. Borg
    6. Laver
    7. Agassi
    8. Courier
    9. Cochet
    10. Tilden
    11. Perry
    12. Kramer
    13. Sampras
    14. Santana
    15. Johnston
    16. Nastase
    17. Vines
    18. Newcombe
    19. Gonzales
    20. Gomez
    21. Okker
    22. Becker
    23. del Potro
    24. Blake
    25. Budge
    27. Muster
    28. Moya
    29. Arias
    30. Krickstein
    31. Berasategui
    32. Clerc
    33. Mancini
    34. Mecir
    35. Gonzalez
    36. Safin
    37. Soderling
    38. Gimeno
    39. Jaite
    40. Medvedev
    41. Wilander
     
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    It's up to 40 and still no love for Wilander? He may not have had the power, but his forehand was super consistent, good placement, great passing shot and very tactical.
     
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    he hit 40 winners and just 3 unforced errors in that match vs haas ....
     
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    welcome back¡¡¡ where have you been? the whole artic summer in Sweden?
     
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    Thanks, kiki. Ha, ha - just been busy with work and other things. Arctic is right - we are still with ice and snow in Denmark, and will just start seeing some temperatures barely above freezing later this week, but still with -5C at night.
     
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    Interesting list.

    hoodjem, I would lift up both Vines's and Pancho Gonzales's ( I prefer the writing Gonzalez) forehand.

    I also would plead to put Tilden's forehand above Cochet's.
     
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    Pancho´s Fh was a good shot but not close to best sshot ever status.he relied on S&V much more than on his FH

    Cochet had the best Fh of his generation, and it is extremely close against Tilden

    Vines, I heard a lot about his FH...but his twin Kodes won just as many big titles...with the BH???
     
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    kiki, I do love your jokes...
     
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    I don´t know what joke did I make...
     
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    You know exactly. Vines won actually 8 big titles...
     
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    Like you, Laurie, I think F. Gonzo had one of the "biggest" FHs I've ever seen and I've been watching since the early 70s. I'll never forgot his '06 Davis Cup against Blake and Roddick (who...also had some big FHs). But he was slap-happy. It was either a winner or a UE.

    Greatest? Gotta give the nod to Fed. Hit it from anywhere, targeted to anywhere. Someone earlier mentioned his first set in the '04 USO v Hewitt. Complete and utter masterpiece, with the FH being the main course. I'm saying this as a longtime Hewitt fan: while it was painful to watch, it turned into an awe inspiring half-hour that, quite frankly, I'll never forget.

    All due & sincere respect to the other opinions (often backed up with incredible stats) given in this thread. Nice stuff here, gang.
     
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    Vines was excelent and still amazes me how paralel career he had in respect to Kodes in spute of 40 yrs gap
     
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    I actually had to google that as I was out of the country for 5 weeks in Feb / March so wasn't aware of the issue (and haven't eaten there myself). :)
     
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    I haven´t either, but certainly would love to.Copenhaguen is one of the cleanest, greenest and most civilized cities I know; they hardly need any police ao driving guard there.
     
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    A respected member The Champ brought up an interesting point in one of the threads on the other section...how about Fernando Verdasco's forehand?
     
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    Vines >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kodes ....

    he didn't have a parallel career to kodes, he had a far far better one .....he won 3 amateur slams and 5 pro slams

    kodes won 3 majorly weakened majors ...

    vines would be a multi-slam winner in any era ... kodes would be lucky to win 2 slams in full fields ....
     
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    Kodes was better on clay and Vines on indoors while both were about the same on grass.

    Please, don´t confude " Vines" with "Wines" LOL
     
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    Nice verb: Yes, we should not confude those two.
     
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    Resurrected in looking for no. 2.
     
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    1. Federer
    2. Nadal (if you don't think so watch the man play, holy crap)

    Basically Fed is the best right handed forehand, Nadal is the best left handed forehand. Both shots are their signature shots and both shots have won them an insane amount of accomplishments.
     
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    The best fh approach: Newcombe,Nastase,Becker and Laver
     
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    The latest?
     
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    Someone explain to me how Segura has a better forehand than Nadal? Lendl too btw?
     
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    Thanks for your elaborate input.

    1. Federer
    2. Segura
    3. Nadal
    4. Lendl
    5. Borg
    6. Laver
    7. Agassi
    8. Courier
    9. Cochet
    10. Tilden
    11. Perry
    12. Kramer
    13. Sampras
    14. Santana
    15. Johnston
    16. Nastase
    17. Vines
    18. Newcombe
    19. Gonzales
    20. Gomez
    21. Okker
    22. Becker
    23. del Potro
    24. Blake
    25. Budge
    27. Muster
    28. Moya
    29. Arias
    30. Krickstein
    31. Berasategui
    32. Clerc
    33. Mancini
    34. Mecir
    35. Gonzalez
    36. Safin
     
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    Lendl, Fed, Nadal
     
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    No, Federer is the uncontested number 1 in my opinion. It may be a small gap, but the gap is clearly visible.
     
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    Someone explain to me how Federer has a better forehand than Segura?
     
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    Well I said it before and I will say it again; Courier was a non factor on the tennis court by the age of 25 (1996) and he retired in 2000. In fact I am being kind because in 1996 all he did was to get to the quarterfinals of the French Open.

    So I do not see how that equates to being in the top 10 for greatest forehands of all time. Meanwhile Sampras was hitting incredible forehands against Agassi in the 2002 US Open final, a whole six years later in his early 30s.

    I simply do not agree with this list.
     
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    this is what always happens in the great serve, forehand backhand debates.

    peter sampras won 14 grandslams therefore he had a better serve than roddick and ivanisovic. no thats not how it works.


    but at the same time i dont have alot of answers either. how do you compare igor andreev forehand to borg's?

    or where do you rate del po who for one summer had the greatest forehand in history easily but for the next 4 years just had a top 6 forehand (though he played great at wimbeldon this year)
     
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    I can't really answer those questions because I didn't help to compile this list. Also it is not an exact science so all based on opinions.

    So that's why my opinion is I don't agree. I would have thought longevity would play an important role in a list like this. The media focused on the Sampras serve more in his last years because of his general decline over an 18 month period. But up until the end of 1999 his forehand was given equal weight as his serve. Like Courier he played many matches where he used the forehand to dictate play, it wasn't just about the serve. The 1997 Australian Open final against Carlos Moya is an excellent example of this. His forehand was not just a flashy shot, it was very consistent and was not afraid to use the forehand squash shot, forehand slice and he had one of the best topspin lobs as well. He also hit great passing shots with it, ask Rafter and Becker :)

    I tend not to get involved in greatest arguments in terms of ranking who is where etc. When I did the article "Greatest hardcourt players of the open era" two years ago, I presented who the best guys were but I didn't rank them in terms of importance, like this guy was number 1 because he won the most hardcourt titles etc.

    But I can give my opinion I guess on forehands I like; so I will choose in no particular order Lendl, Agassi, Sampras, Del Potro, Fernando Gonzalez, Federer. Krajicek had an excellent running forehand too. I am also impressed with how Nadal has made his forehand a weapon over the years. By the way, I should stress Courier had a great forehand but am using him to point out lengevity, Courier does not come into the category of longevity.
     
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    I will try to explain to you. Segura's forehand has been hailed not only as the greatest forehand in the history of tennis but the greatest single SHOT in the history of tennis. This has been said by people as great as Ellsworth Vines, Jack Kramer, Bobby Riggs and numerous others. Rod Laver himself said Segura's forehand was the greatest he had faced and he played Segura after Segura was 40.

    It has been said that Segura's two handed forehand has incredible power, accuracy and disguise. He could lob, change pace, hit crosscourt or down the line and you couldn't tell what he was going to do. People have said that to compare it to Connors' great two handed lefty backhand that Segura's shot was far superior in power and consistency just as a point of comparison.

    Segura was considered to have the hardest hit forehand in the 1950's and that was an era with Kramer, Gonzalez and others, some timed with the primitive devices at that time at times over 100 miles per hour.

    Segura won tours over greats like Sedgman, Parker and others. He won the
    US Pro three years in a row and was arguably number one for several years.
    The main reason for his success was due to his awesome forehand. Anything
    hit to mid court or shorter was inevitable put away.

    It is not unreasonable to consider Segura's forehand to be as great as any forehand in history.
     
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    Can you provide any footage? I couldn't find any matches.
     
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    pc1, It's good to read posts by you again.
     
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    Pam Shriver?
     
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    Pam Shriver's deadly slice/flat forehand is one of the most devastating shots in the history of tennis. With that beautiful and magnificent shot at her disposal, it's a real shame she wasn't able to win at least 20 Grand Slam singles titles.
     
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    but the pros have hit a lot of balls since jack kramer said that segura had the biggest forehand he ever saw.
     
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    I've never seen the Segura forehand, so I can't comment on that, but I've been thinking of posting something on this thread based on my watching the Nadal forehand this whole summer. I didn't think it could get better, but it did. If he keeps this up, I now consider it the second best forehand I've ever seen (after Federer's). It looks as if both the pace, the consistency and the accuracy in placement have visibly improved. Strictly in terms of effectiveness, it may well be the best, because the combination of placement, consistency, pace and spin makes for such a "dirty," heavy, hard-to-handle ball that I suppose many people would rather deal with a faster but "cleaner" ball like Federer's. I used to think Lendl in his best days had the second best forehand I've ever seen, but not anymore.

    Anyway, can anyone who has seen Pancho Segura describe the merits of his forhand or provide some clips? I am not doubting it was great. I've just never seen it.
     

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