greatest motion on the serve

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  1. fgbowen33

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    w/out a doubt Roscoe Tanner
     
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    Well, my vote goes to pete and boris but one thing is for sure, federer is not the winner here...
     
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    Noah.
    Yannick Noah.
    Yannick Noah.
    Should I say it again...?
    Noah. Best ever serve motion. Ever. Made Stich look like Stephen Hawking.
     
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  4. andreh

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    I think Edberg had the most gracious and beautiful motion, but perhaps not the most effective.
     
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    i like any serve that looks like that stance at the top of a trophy for tennis
     
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    For the pre-foot release era, Pancho Gonzales.

    Sampras after.

    -R
     
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  7. alkibiades

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    yes, galain!!

    You are correct -- it's perfect. I think Noah's service motion is overlooked because while he had an excellent serve, it never was quite the weapon of Becker's, Sampras', Rusedski's, etc. But Noah had PERFECT form, and he also had flawless tempo and rhythm, devoid of hitches or pauses. And when he was hot it was effective too. I remember he served Lendl off the court on clay at Forest Hills in 1986 or 1987 in the semis of a now-defunct tournament, the name of which escapes me at the moment.

    Johnny Mac's serve in 1983 and especially 1984, while unorthodox, had the best rhythm I have ever seen -- no hitch at all, just a smooth building of speed to impact. His tempo altered over the years; I think if he had continued to serve the same way his serve could have remained more of a weapon later in his career. If you can get past his unorthodox stance, in 1984 his was also just about perfect. But Noah wins the prize.
     
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    Dude, way harsh.

    Stich gets my vote. Noah's was good, but Stich's was better IMO.
     
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    Yes, Gonzales had one of the best motions. Everything was so fluid and consistent - I have always admired his low ball toss. If I had a time machine, the serve I would really want to see is that of Ellsworth Vines. I have only seen video clips (there's one online at histoiredutennis.com), but it is easy to appreciate the smoothness and power of his swing.
     
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    Why not? I think he has a beautiful motion. Great disguise and superb accuracy.

    I like Henman's a lot, though I can't pick just one.
     
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    I'd like to say Krajicek and Ivanisevic. Not easy to mimic, but great rhytm, great timing, fluid, efortless, and absolute bombs ;)
     
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    Sampras, Kraijcek, Stich
     
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    I think safin also has a great motion
     
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  14. stormholloway

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    In fact, Federer has THE perfect trophy position for his serve. I think there's a stronge case for him.
     
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    Bill Tilden
     
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    Stan Smith, smooth and effortless...
     
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    Ha! Okay - perhaps I'll allow you that Stich was a little smoother than that, but c'mon mate - Noah vs Stich? Meh....
     
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    stich IMO had the sweetest motion, effortless power...
     
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    Well, Noah had a certain French flair in his service motion and was generally artistic

    But, Stich had the German precision and smooth acceleration through the whole motion producing pace, spin, and placment with a seemingly effortless motion

    It was like a Renault versus a Porsche...

    By the way, I haven't forgotten that I still owe you some grits...
     
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  20. Solat

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    stich it to me
     
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    Somehow I don't really like Stich's serve motion (simple, fluid, classic looking)..I like Krajicek's Powerful motion.
     
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    love the elegance of roddicks serve ;)






    but seriously.. sampras, safin get my vote

    arthurs has a very nice serve too
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  23. iamke55

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    Roddick's because his motion hits 155 mph. But if you're asking for aesthetically pleasing, Hewitt and Sampras.
     
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  24. FiveO

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    My favorites for aesthetics and function, that I've seen play in person:

    Pancho Gonzalez
    Stan Smith
    Vijay Amritraj
    John Alexander
    Michael Stich
    Pete Sampras
    Richard Krajicek
    Wayne Arthurs
    Roger Federer
     
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  25. ACE of Hearts

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    Pistol Pete, just loved his motion.Roger's motion doesnt have much movement.
     
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  26. stormholloway

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    Anyone have a good clip of the Stich serve? I've been watching him vs. Sampras on youtube but I'd like to see it more clearly.
     
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    Laver was nice, too.
     
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    I said this in another best service motion thread that all the Croats have the best service motions. Almost all of them have the lower ball toss and quick motion (especially Ljubicic and Ivanisevic). The best serve out there was Ivanisevic, but the best looking serve defenitly is Safin, absolute perfect form for a pin-point serve. The best platform has to go to Sampras though.
     
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  29. The Gorilla

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    davydenko too
     
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  30. MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

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    I will have to go with Pistol Pete and Richard Krajicek.
     
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    Am I the only one who thinks that Rafter's serve is awesome? It may not be very good to use, but it is so smooth. Going by looks his serve, to me, looks the best. I also like to watch Edberg serve. But Rafter gets my vote.

    I have only seen Big Bill serve one time on an old video so I can’t say anything about his serve. But I have herd that it was awesome. Is anyone old enough to remember seeing his serve in person? My neighbor says that his serve was huge. He says even for today’s standards. My neighbor is also like 100 years old so his memory may be a little off.
     
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    Sampras, Stich and Krajicek.

    Federer's, good simpler motion for us, mere mortals, to try emulating.
     
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  33. Defcon

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    Stich - the most deceptive. Its so easy and fluid you think you can get the same power, I swear Stich did black magic.

    Sampras - you know by looking it has power and grace and its not possible for mere mortals to try and duplicate.

    Fed - like the rest of his game, perfect biomechanics that ARE possible for any decent player to emulate and learn from. The difference is we can only do 1/1000 times.

    Rafter - how to destroy your shoulder and get massive kick.
     
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  34. z-money

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    i agree it looks cool
     
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  35. z-money

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    i also love philippoussis' serve its pretty sweet
     
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    Those are the exact reasons why I like Stich's the best. You want it to be simple and fluid. That makes for less chance for something to go wrong. He was a great server when he was on a roll.

    I also like Pete's a lot. The body torque he got made for some great power with a classical motion and grip. Stan Smith's was wonderful too. And whatever stroke Ramesh Krishnan tried to hit was so silky smooth. When good, his serve wasn't necessarily powerful, but usually well placed and was hard to read for his opponents.
     
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    do you guys like the service motion where the ball toss arm and the racquet arm both go up at the same time or the service motion where the ball toss arm would go up first ?

    I prefer the one where both arms would go up at the same time but I noticed that quite a few players would serve the other way (for example Nicole Vaidisova)
     
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    I prefer the tossing arm-then-hitting-arm motion better, but I got used to the both-arms-at-the-same-time, thanks to Pat Rafter :D
     
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    I like Henmans, Rafters, Safins, and Kuertens
     
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    I'm still in search of a good motion. I practiced serves last week with my old motion and my shoulder hurts. It's the way I'm raising the racquet. It's kind of like Edberg. I'm looking to get a sort of Rusedski/Stich looking motion where the racquet drops straight down, back and up.
     
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  41. jmsx521

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    Greatest and most fluid serve-motion? It has to be Sergi Bruguera!








    ...Just kidding.
     
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    Agreed.

    I often rewatch Sampras vs Krajicek at Wimbledon and that shotgun service motion never fails to awe me. The low ball toss coupled with how quickly (and aesthetically) he whacks the ball does it for me.
     
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    Me. At least before I tore my elbow (on a forehand, not a serve).
     
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  46. superstition

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    Give Roddick a woodie with the old-style tight string pattern and let's see how many aces he'll hit with his abbreviated motion.

    I think someone like Tilden deserves credit for producing a monster serve with a low power wood racquet. This was also back when tennis balls had less bounce. Martina even noted that the balls bounce higher than they did during her early career. More spring in the ball means a faster serve. I've also read that tennis balls were reduced in size to save money, which increases serve speed.

    Tilden's "cannonball" serve was said to have hit 150, but there were no machines to measure that. I've seen photos of his service motion and it is much more impressive than a "modern" serve like Roddick's, which uses a super-powered racquet to generate speed.
     
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  47. superstition

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    Everything about Rafter's game is second rate when compared to Sampras'.
     
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  48. hoosierbr

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    My favorites in no particular order:

    Krajicek
    Sampras
    Edberg
    Stich
    Rafter
    Rusedski
    Arthurs
    Henman
    Kafelnikov
    Thomas Johansson

    I modeled my own serve after Ivan Lendl. Like Stich, Lendl had a smooth, effortless motion. Didn't have as powerful a serve as Michael but still pretty darn good.

    As for the above poster who said Rafter's game was second-rate to Sampras', I'll take Rafter's volleys any day. So would a lot of other people.
     
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  49. stormholloway

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    Courier's reminds me of Lendl's, though more herky jerky.

    After looking at it for a while, I really like Stich's smooth motion.

    Now, who has some good clips of it?
     
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  50. hoosierbr

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    Some good clips of Stich's serve in the highlights section of the Roland Garros website (1996). Also good clips from last year's US Open site in the classic matches section (1994 against Agassi). Still up so hurry!
     
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