Greatest player out of Safin, Roddick, Hewitt?

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Greatest player out of Roddick, Hewitt, Safin if each retired today?

  1. Roddick

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  2. Hewitt

    40.3%
  3. Safin

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  1. federerfanatic

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    Out of Hewitt, Safin, and Roddick, who do you believe will go down as the greatest player of the 3 if all 3 retired today?
     
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  2. vive le beau jeu !

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    in terms of career achievements, hewitt is the best.
    (but i'd consider safin as a better player... when he plugs his brain, of course)
     
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  3. federerfanatic

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    I voted for Hewitt since I think his two year end #1s set him very much apart from Safin who has none, and vs Roddick he has both back to back year end #1s as opposed to Roddicks one and 2 slams to Roddick's 1.
     
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  4. federerfanatic

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    That is how I feel too. Safin when he is focused and in the zone is the player I would choose of these 3. However achievement wise it is Hewitt. Roddick has been unlucky to really hit his peak during the Federer dominance, while the other two had some of their peak before Federer took over.
     
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  5. dima

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    Hewitt is the better player.
     
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  6. Heavy Metal Tennis Star

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    hewiit, then safin, then roddick

    andy only has 1 slam, and will never win one again
     
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  7. stormholloway

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    Safin is light years ahead if they're all playing their best. I think that's obvious.

    E.g. : Australian Open 2005, Roddick loses to Hewitt, Hewitt loses to Safin.

    Case closed. ;)
     
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  8. psamp14

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    i'd go with hewitt, but stormholloway makes a point in that one time example

    then again you'd have to compare titles won, and that safin has never really been consistent, so a lot of "what if" things come when you talk about him
     
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  9. Steven87

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    Roddick is the most consistent out of all of them. Plus, he's only one rebounding with a come back. This board is sooooo bias against Roddick for some reason.
     
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    I voted for safin! He is awesome, I love the way he plays..
     
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  11. Feña14

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    Safin is the most talented but Hewitt has achieved more, as people say.
     
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  12. ACE of Hearts

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    I will say Hewitt but Safin very talented like others have mentioned.
     
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  13. mikhail

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    Safin he is an entertainer and is a true champ hewitt definitly has had more sucess i just remembered something from 2000 USO if anyone remembers

    Safin Won it
    Hewitt Lost in The Semi's
    Roddick won the junior boys USO

    this all happend in US open 2000 quite funny really.
     
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  14. Mr. Sean

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    Reason why I chose safin over roddick is because the only reason why safins rankings have fallen is because of knee injuries other than that hes a better player. Roddick hasnt had any serious injuires that took him out of tennis for awhile so he has no excuses other than sucking for the past 3 years. Roddick is also reverting back to his 12 foot behind baseline strategy again even though hes supposed to rush the net and is losing like crazy.
     
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  15. Fedace

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    I say definitely Hewitt, Lleton Hewitt is back, he is killing Lopez right now.
     
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  16. alienhamster

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    1 slam win, 3 other slam finals w/ 3 semis at the Aussie and another semi at Wimbledon is "sucking"?

    This board is SO ridiculous when it comes to assessing Roddick. I wouldn't automatically put him in front of Hewitt and Safin by any means, but he has every right to be in this conversation. He's been WAY more consistent than those guys the past three years. He lost all but two of these late slam appearances to EXACTLY ONE GUY. And who was that? Roger Federer.

    Hewitt didn't have to face Fed in either of his slam wins.

    Safin DID in his one Aussie win. But he's lost to a variety of not-so-great players in every other slam.

    This is not a cut and dry thread question. (And therefore, a good one.)
     
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  17. slice bh compliment

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    OF these three......

    Roddick deserves some praise for sure, like Alienhamster pointed out so well.

    Safin is the most fun to watch, and he's got double Andy's Slam count.

    Hewitt's got a year-end Master's Cup and two Slams, too. But one of them is Wimbledon.

    Davis Cup: edge to Hewitt and Safin over Andy.

    I'm sayin' Hewitt overall at this point.

    But going forward, I'm thinking Safin. More of the game for the future. Then again Andy's the youngest of the trio, so he will have the most time to improve his legacy. And he will be doing it for this thread right here!
     
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  18. Steven87

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    Roddick has finished top 5 yearly more than any of those guys I think
     
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  19. SoBad

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    Safin is the best tennis player alive. In particular, he is the best of the three that you have shortlisted.
     
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  20. federerfanatic

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    I agree with alot of your points. I think an argument could be made for any of the 3 which is why I gave all 3 as options.

    The biggest argument in Roddick's favor, or atleast one of them is what you said. Roddick lost alot of those late slam matches to Federer. Hewitt did some too, but his 2 slam wins he did not face Federer, Roddick did not either in his 1 slam win but his was after Federer had already won his first slam.
    Safin of course you could take into consideration he beat Federer in the semis to win 1 of his 2 slams, but he didnt lose alot of opportunites late in slams to Federer or many of his fellow greatest players of this period either, often losing to players that dont fall in that category or earlier.

    In Hewitt's defence while Roddick has been much more consistent substaining a very high level over the last 3 years, Hewitt substained an extremely high level 4 out of 5 years from 2001-2005. The only exception was 2003. In 2001 and 2002 he was #1 and won 1 slam each year, the year end Masters each year, and had good overall showings in slams and Masters events. In 2004 and 2005 he lost to the eventual champ in all 7 slams he played, and lost in 2 slam finals, very consistent throughout both years near the very top.
    Roddick's start of substaining a very high level near the top started in 2003, so while Roddick has been more consistent substaining that very high level in the cummulation of the last few years, Hewitt started doing it before that.
     
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  21. tennisdude083

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    yea me too yo. his backhand is sweet.
     
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  22. Vlad

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    I would say that Hewitt has achieved the most obviously of those 3 guys, but Marat Safin had been the most unlucky in terms of injuries.. he had 2 career threatening injuires: one in his wrist after which he lost almost full year and his left knee after which he really wasn't the same mover for quite some time. I know most players get injuried and it is part of the game, but some can simply stay healthier than others..

    at this point it goes :

    1. Hewitt
    2. Safin
    3. Roddick
     
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  23. tintin

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    Safin no doubt
     
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  24. BlackSheep

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    Safin is the better player but Hewitt has done more.
     
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    With accomplishments so far, Lleyton is the best of this trio. I don't see any other way to measure who is best. ;)
     
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  26. Pete.Sampras.

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    Safin for sure! Hewitt on 2nd place, Roddick 3rd....
     
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  27. slice bh compliment

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    Just guessing here....Pete.Sampras.: Habla Espanol?
     
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  28. illkhiboy

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    Roddick: 1 Slam win, 4 AMS wins, 3 Slam Finals, 4 Slam Semis.
    Consistently ranked in the top since 2003. Has barely been out of the top 5.

    Safin: 2 Slams (beating Federer and Sampras), 6 AMS wins (3 Paris), 2 Slam Finals, 1-2 Slam Semi-Final finishes. Very inconsistent, been in and out of the top 5 since entering in 2000. Very average record at the Slams outside of the Australian. Loses to lesser players very frequently.

    Hewitt: 2 Slams, 2 AMS wins (both Indian Wells), 2 Year End Championship Wins, Finished number one twice, Finished in the top 5 two other times. Consistent record at the Slam, during 2004-05 lost to the eventual champ 7 times in a row. Consistent record at all Slams and on all surfaces.

    I think it's a tie between Roddick and Hewitt. Time will tell who is going to be greater. Time, and health, is on Roddick's side it seems.
     
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  29. Turning Pro

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    ^Hewitt,Youngest ever world number 1 and most titles out of the 3 also.^
     
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  30. kthomas

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    safin is one of the best players out there. he can even beat federer when he is playing well in big tournaments
     
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  31. callitout

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    Both with 2 slams. Hewitt 80 weeks at #1 to Safin 9 weeks. Hewitt with 25 singles titles Safin 15.
     
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  32. bluescreen

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    definately safin. he's arguably the best player on tour when he's playing his best and has 2 slams. hewitt is kinda close, but no way roddick. hewitt is more consistent, which may reason why he looks better on paper, but when safin's at his best he is way better. i think safin would be remembered more.
     
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  33. ACE of Hearts

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    Safin looks good on paper but not good enough.I would take Hewitt over him.
     
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    It amazes me how many people say Marat is the best of the trio on the premise that he is better at his best than the other two, is this really so certain?

    If Roddick plays his best, he beats Safin at his best because Marat will not break Andy with his serve working flawlessly.
    If Hewitt plays his best he will simply absorb all of Safin's power and work the angles to consistently beat him from the baseline.

    Those two arguments could be made just as well. As stated in this thread, Hewitt has 80 weeks at number 1, two year end finishes at 1 along with 2 slams (along with a doubles slam) and 2 Masters Cup wins along with an additional Masters Cup final. Also he has 25 titles, at least one every year since he turned pro, 7 straight US Open quarterfinals, US Open and Aussie Open finals, and multiple Masters Series finals to go with a great 5 set record and Davis Cup achievements.

    Safin has 15 titles (though 7 were either Masters series events or Slams), 9 weeks at number 1, and one additional slam final to go with his titles. Davis Cup win last year to give him a bit more merit.

    Roddick has 21 titles with 3 additional slam finals with his slam win, 4 Masters Series shields I believe along with a positive head to head with Marat. Year end number one along with finishes inside of the top 5 for the past few years, the most consistent rankings wise of the three. Great Davis Cup player as well though no results to show for it.

    Hewitt above Roddick and Roddick above Safin by a hair.
     
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    Breaker I think the memory that people have in mind of Safin is when he eliminated Federer at the AO and then went on to spank Hewitt in the final. When was the last time anybody else knocked Federer out of a non-clay slam? Having said that, generally speaking Hewitt has been more consistantly better, never being outside the top 20 since....is it 01?
    Nice silver fern there, are you a kiwi?
     
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  36. federerfanatic

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    I think the perceptions some have that Safin at his best automaticaly beats Roddick or Hewitt at their best are founded by the 2005 Australian Open semifinal with Federer where "some" believe he beat Federer with both at their best in a 5 set classic.

    Personaly I believe:

    1)Federer played fairly well in that match, nowhere near his best though, Safin was at his best. Federer was still the one who would have likely won the match as he won more points, had better stats, and Safin winning was actualy the more unlikely result based on that but it happened anyway. People saying Federer played his best and lost is just extreme excitement over seeing Federer lose a big match that was overall very played. They want to glorify to the highest extent they possibly can, and make it out to be a victorious statement of hope as high as they can, even by reaching to do that.

    2)It is only one match regardless.

    3)As crazy as it sounds perhaps it is not entirely impossible for Hewitt or Roddick to someday beat Federer with both playing at their best. I know that might sound crazy, but for it to happen in one match with all the times they play it does not require high odds at all.

    4)Safin vs Federer as opposed to Safin vs Roddick or Safin vs Hewitt, are all different matchups. A vs B vs C is a flawed theory. How about Federer vs Nadal as opposed to Nadal vs Blake as opposed to Blake vs Federer.
     
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  37. haerdalis

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    Yes hewitt has achieved most of the three. Roddick is behind Safin both in achievements and quality of play. Hewitt really dominated for a time. Roddick did so for four weeks but thats it.
    Safin used to be unbeatable on his day but they didnt come often enough.
     
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    My vote for Roddick
     
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  40. caulcano

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    Roddick because of some of the reasons listed, plus also, he's had to face FED in his prime.
     
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  41. Techniques

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    IMO, Hewitt then Safin then Roddick. Safin, if his mind was on the job fromt he start I reckon he'd have achieved more than Hewitt. Hewitt has the runs on the board though. He is the youngest to be world number 1 ever, thats saying something. THe gam has changed and evolved ALOT though. Hewitt has done more.
     
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  42. TheNatural

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    In 2005 Hewitt played like Crappola for a few of the sets and gifted Safin a few sets, Safin only played a great last set.

    I dont think you can say Safin is great based on playing a bunch of good matches a year. Even Wayne Arthurs is as good as Safin when he plays his best.


    Hewitt
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    QUOTE=stormholloway;1288532]Safin is light years ahead if they're all playing their best. I think that's obvious.

    E.g. : Australian Open 2005, Roddick loses to Hewitt, Hewitt loses to Safin.

    Case closed. ;)[/QUOTE]
     
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  43. a guy

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    Hewitt. He has/had consistency wheras safin has little/no consistency.
     
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    Francis Ford Crappola? Yeah, he played just a notch above Francis that year. Minus the directorial vision.
     
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  45. johnny ballgame

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    Whoa now, let's not pretend that Hewitt wouldn't have more slams if it wasn't for Fed. Fed knocked Hewitt out of two US Opens (once in finals, once in semis), and also twice deep in Wimbledon.

    Also, don't leave out Davis Cup - hugely important to most players. All three have been great in DC, but only Hewitt and Safin have won the Cup.
     
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  46. DueSouth

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    In terms of how many GS finals they have been in, they've all been in 4, and how many GS titles they've won (1,2 and 2)....Hewitt and Safin come out tops.
    Roddick - Wimbledon:'04(RUP),'05(RUP) US Open:'03(W),'06(RUP)
    Safin - Australian Open:'02(RUP),'04(RUP),'05(W) US Open:'00(W)
    Hewitt - Australian Open:'05(RUP) Wimbledon:'02(W) US Open:'01(W),'04(RUP)

    But in my opinion Safin is the best out of the three!!!!!!Davai!
     
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  47. stormholloway

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    Huh? But Marat has more Masters titles. How can you put Roddick ahead of Safin? Safin has more slams and masters.

    Whether you like it or not, the Masters titles are like baby slams. They matter more and Safin has by far the most.
     
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    hewitt-roddick-safin.

    safin is the most talented of this group, but his talent has not translated into results that put him above hewitt and roddick. i believe the title of this thread is greatest player, not most talented. even though hewitt has lost a step or two due to age and injuries, his career would have to be considered have been better than the other 2.
     
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  49. illkhiboy

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    Yeah, you make a good point. But Roddick's consistently been in the top 5, and is a genuine front-runner for Slam finals unlike Safin in recent years. When's the last time Safin made it past the 4th round of a Slam? Australian Open '05 I believe. Since then Roddick made the finals at Wimbledon, US Open and the Semi down under.
     
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  50. ibemadskillzz

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    hewitt just destoryed safin. you can't call roddick a player. he just hits big serves, no weapons.
     
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