greatest retirement of all time

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  1. Mustard

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    LOL. The infamous "broom cupboard" incident, which Becker says wasn't in a broom cupboard, happened on the night after his last career match against Rafter at 1999 Wimbledon. It was absolutely hilarious when Becker denied being the father and then Anna's photograph was shown in the media, basically the spitting image of Boris :oops::)
     
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    LOL!
    That famous picture!!
    As a matter of fact it is on the internet.
    Steffi with a snake (!) around her shoulders, from the back, only her upper body to be seen, topless. It's from a WWF calendar.
    Quite hot, I must admit ...
     
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    The journalist said that Agassi sold the photo to a chinese business men...apparently Steffi knew nothing about it...good choice, Steffi, good choice... a drugaddict and an unmature liar.
     
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    Agassi didn't sell anything, you Spanish apparently needs improvement.
    He had this nice picture of Steffi on his cellphone, I just couldn't find it with google.
    It's from this series, though:

    http://marketsign.eu/img/46.jpg
     
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    Sold her wife´s image for 4000 $ ? if he does that to his wife...what could he do to anybody else...that is the problem with drugs overdose, you lose control of reality
     
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    "graceful" ???

    I guess that's one way to look at it.
     
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  7. DavaiMarat

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    Hmmmm I think tears for yourself are not as moving as when the come when you see a love one suffer.
     
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  8. Joe Pike

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    Well, what could he do if that guy didn't want to pay more??
    Steffi thought it was fun ...
     
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    Who suffered?

    It was about whether Steffi was an "ice queen" or whether she tended to cry publicly. As a matter of fact I don't know any other player who wept so often on court.
    Zvonareva maybe.
     
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    funnu thing about Agassi is that his ancestors are from.....IRAN¡¡¡ Can you believe it??? may be another Shalman Rusdie over here?
     
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    Salman.
    Rushdie.
     
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  12. kiki

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    maybe Becker wanted to improve...his drop shot¡¡¡:)
     
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    Kim Clijsters' retirement tour was awesome. Like Kim Kardashian's wedding, collecting gifts at every tourney, priceless.
     
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    I would have loved to see that first round match - classic Becker, escaping trouble at Wimbledon.

    I knew about the incident (back staircase in the bar, I read) and that it was after a loss at Wimbledon, but didn't realize it was his last career match ever. The worst part was that his pregnant wife was rushed to the hospital while he was otherwise occupied, following a row they'd had. Class act.
     
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    I can't believe anyone would be so offensive. First of all, his father was born in Iran - and is an Armenian Christian. Thousands of Armenians had to flee their country at the turn of the century and settled in many diverse places. If you knew anything about history you would know about the Armenian genocide. Secondly, what does it matter where his father was born? Do you think that every person living in Iran is a terrorist? That being an Iranian is something to be ashamed of? The people of Iran are to blame for being ruled by despots? . You are just plain ignorant.
     
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    Whatever you can call BB, you certainly can´t call him CLAUSTROPHOBIC¡¡¡¡

    (I would not be claustrophobic with such company, either )
     
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    I tried to be nice to you and I know it will be hard for you to cope...But I am Spanish, from Barcelona, Catalonia.And, that said, I never liked Sanchez Vicario ( whose family lived in the same district as I did) and I don´t really care about spanish on tour.

    I liked the Bruguera vs Sanchez rivalry, though.I liked Corretja and quite less, Costa and Moya...and Ferrero is a good fellow...but my spanish fav players are very special guys like Gimeno,Orantes...and Conchita Martinez, who had great talent and, IMO was a better player than Vicario...but lacked Vicario´s menthal strength.
     
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    For the true greats, competing after their prime with thin results hardly ever does anything to take away from their legacy. Those post-prime leaner years are forgotten pretty easily.

    Even though Sampras went out on top, it was after a very small period of indecision. He won the USO, suggested it might be his last tournament, and then a few days or weeks later confirmed that. It would have been an even more triumphant formulaically American story if we all knew going into the USO, that it was goingt to be his last tournament.

    Most of the greats end it somewhere between Sampras (winning a Slam) and absolute futility -- losing "early" for them, but not super early overall - think Evert losing in the QFs of the USO to Garrison, or Edberg losing in the QFs of the USO to Ivanesivic.

    For some reason, and I know many will disagree, I didn't like Kuerten's retirement, and I generally loved Kuerten. I know the French crowd loved him and Roland Garros was the site of his biggest triumphs, but still. He was in bad form and takes a wildcard simply to enjoy the FO stage one more time, and loses badly in the first round, never taking it seriously. What was the point? I'm sure the organizers would have put together a ceremony for him and allowed him to address the crowd if he wanted to, even without playing. As is, he just took a good spot in the draw. I understand why he played, but it always seemed pointless to me.
     
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    I am not interested in politics at all; I have great respect for Iran as a country and the Persian Empire, which is one of the most interesting Empires ever.

    I just wanted to point out that Agassi´s style of life would not suit well with some traditions that are well accepted by most of Iranian people.Just that.I am not discussing Iran Politics or Agassi´s way of live.

    In fact, none of them are of my interest
     
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  20. Moose Malloy

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    Uh, Sampras didn't confirm anything until almost a year after the USO. He was still entered in many tournaments throughout 2003 & was constantly pulling out of them. His plans were a constant topic of discussion among the media & fans. He said he only realized he was done when he starting preparing for Wimbledon '03.

    It was hardly a short period of indecision, actually a pretty long one.

    But I guess that's not how most fans will remember it(sort of along the lines of 'borg walked away from tennis after losing the uso final,' which wasn't even close to what actually happened)
     
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  21. kiki

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    Was the wife of Boris that elegant coloured woman? There were lots of rapports back then...
     
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  22. scotus

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    Just to clarify, Agassi's folks are Armenians from Iran.
     
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  23. kiki

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    Your reasoning is correct.It´s always a passionating issue to know what and when and how a player retires and what is behind is retirement.Was Borg fed up or he felt he need to rechannel his life? Would Mac do the same thing he did in 86-87 if he had known what price to pay for? Could Sampras challenge himself for, say 2 more years - and in the same time prove everyone that his defeat at Federer´s hands was a mere accident? and so on and so on.I think you touched iron here
     
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    Remember that Evert was seriously toying with retirement during her long sabbatical in 80- early 81. she was tired, burned out and loosing too often ( for her) and feeling like last night's leftovers afters each Austin defeat. I think Carillo said that her comeback, including the wimbledon final and Open win, was a very ambitious retirement program!
     
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  25. Mustard

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    Quoted for truth.
     
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    Read Borg was being pressured to play more tournaments or face the need to qualify for the majors.
     
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    My bad. I thought he announced it about a month after the USO.
     
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    No, but you were right, he did hint at it. As I said back on page 2, he really was very, very candid about it. Especially for somebody as private as Sampras. He didn't draw it out excessively, or play it for publicity. Really, it was a pretty low-profile thing all things considered. Early in the year, he did announce he would be skipping much of the early hardcourt and claycourt season, and that he would come back for the grass court season...and as Moose pointed out, it was in preparation for this, that he finally realized he didn't want it anymore.
     
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    I don't know Moose, I don't see it that way. He did it without a lot of drama or histrionics, yes, of course the press asked him, but he was pretty blunt and candid about what was going on. He didn't do a Monica Seles or Pat Raffter, etc. If it too him that long to decide for sure, that he didn't want to play anymore, and that it would be a decision he'd be comfortable with for the rest of his life, I think he more than earned that.

    In fact, I'll go further and say it was a wonderful moment of shared insight into the retirement process....I think many of us could relate to him, and really, perhaps more athletes need to take the time he did, so as to avoid the flip-flop. He didn't need to tell us anything, but he did. He didn't make a lot of ado about it, nor did he make excuses.

    Sampras said, that basically, he wasn't feeling it, but of course, had many mixed emotions. He needed to be sure, that it was not a temporary thing...and that a few months later, he might suddenly find his desire returned. I'm sure that's something most of us can understand.

    No, he didn't do like Borg, but Borg is a perfect example of somebody who should have done a Sampras. Sampras really did walk away into the sunset after the USO final, unlike Borg. Sampras simply admitted he wasn't sure, and let us know that he was contemplating the matter. He could have simply said absolutely nothing, and sure, that would have superficially made it seem more Hollywood dramatic.
     
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  30. Moose Malloy

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    weird that a player that was thinking seriously about retirement would wait until the week before these events before withdrawing from them.

    it looks like he was incredibly unsure of what he wanted to do.

    its a shame how he kept leading on tournament directors with this wait until the last minute before withdrawing schtick(they were using him to promote these events for months), it was almost serena like.

    but it doesn't really matter, history won't remember any of this.
     
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    Really?!! So you don't think he was seriously contemplating retirement?!

    Absolutely he was incredibly unsure... He has been very candid about that... Understandable don't you think? How many athletes change their mind? How hard is to walk away when the last tournament you plays , you won the USO)!


    You are right though, it's unfortunate for these tourneys those frankly we all knew Peres presence was iffy at best.... He hadn't been in the mc since the open lol!! He said as much and everyone was speculation on his retirement. It was shortly after these tourneys that he said he was skipping everything until grass as I recall. But aside from the inconvenience tothese tournies , which don't suffer from lack of marquee players, I'm not sure why it bothers you so?
     
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    Someone mentioned retirements reflect the players personality.Based on that I will offer up Goran Ivanisevic.

    Wimbledon 2004,he lost in the 3rd round after battling his shoulder injury and not being able to return to defend after winning in 2001.

    He had had surgery on that rotator cuff soon after winning Wimby if I remember,took him 3 years just to get fit enough because he loved SW19 so much.

    It was great and showed Goran's humour when he broke out his Football jersey which was in the colour of the Croatian national side.

    He was playfully booed by the British crowd,who appreciate some European humour.I remember his interview with Sue Barker after and she said any regrets in his career.
    He said I was never Number 1,and joked if he shot Sampras with a gun then he could have been.
     
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    Goran didn't have surgery in 2001 as he kept putting it off. In 2002, his shoulder had gotten to the point where he had to have surgery if he wanted to play anymore tennis. I believe he regrets not having the surgery after winning Wimbledon in retrospect, but it must have been very tempting to just play on through the pain after winning 2001 Wimbledon and suddenly going from #125 in the world up to number #16.

    LOL.
     
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    I wonder which scenario a tournament director would prefer:

    (1) A marquee player goes public with the announcement that he is withdrawing from the tournament 3-4 months before the tournament begins.

    (2) A marquee player remains silent about a possible withdrawal, allowing the tournament to continue to sell a lot of tickets, and then announcing that he is withdrawing a week before the start of the tournament .
     
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