Grip Size for Nadal and Federer

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  1. tennis23

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    Hi,

    Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the fact that both Nadal and Roger use smaller grip sizes a major contributing factor in their success? I know I personally use a 4 5/8 with and overwrap (POG OS) and really am seriously thinking of going to a smaller size raquet (95) and grip size 4 3/8 to see I experience any difference.

    I am curious what Nadal and Federer actually use? I heard they were smaller.
    Thanks
    Brian
     
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  2. Rulo

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    Rafael Nadal:
    Grip: Babolat Syntec Grip
    Overgrip: Babolat VS Original Overgrip (White)
    Grip Size: 4 1/4 - L2

    Roger Federer:
    Grip: Wilson Leather Grip
    Overgrip: Wilson Pro Overgrip (White)
    Grip Size: 4 3/8 - L3
     
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  3. tennisfa

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    for Federer, he uses several layers of over grip. it depends on his opponent and what he feels like on that day.
     
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  4. jasoncho92

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    Im pretty sure he only uses one. But he started overlapping them more
     
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  5. BreakPoint

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    How do you know? Do you have a source? Thanks
     
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  6. tennis23

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    Grip Size

    I have been playing with a 4 5/8 POG for so long with a Prince Overwrap, that I am not sure I could change. However, I am thinking that there could be some benefit to going down.

    Any comments on why the smaller size is preferred by these 2 top folks?

    Regards,
    Brian
     
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  7. alan-n

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    Babalot grip sizes feel 1 size larger than what they are rated at, even Tennis warehouse sales page confirms this.
     
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  8. chiru

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    I saw a clip once of him wrapping an overgrip at a tournament when he was playing with the tour 90 pj. He only wrapped one over the leather and i doubt he's changed much since then (i think he had already started his dominance by that point). I donno if i can find that clip tho, it was on youtube tho...
     
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  9. Keifers

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    I picked up an old racquet of mine recently and was shocked at how much bigger the grip was compared to my current sticks -- by one size, easily. For me, the smaller grip certainly makes switching between Eastern and Continental and SW grips easier.
     
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  10. Mr. Sean

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    I play with a 4 and 1/4 when im supposed to be a 3/8. In my opinion it helps on the serve by allowing the wrist to pronate easier. Its good for the groundstrokes if you have proper mechanics. From what I hear it gives you more topspin.
     
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  11. BreakPoint

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    But a smaller grip also makes it harder to volley well with, and for me, harder to hit a great one-handed backhand with. I also find smaller grips to feel less stable in my hand, and I haven't found smaller grips to help my serves at all.
     
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  12. ericsson

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    agree here + the fact it gives me nasty blisters but thats more a personal thing i guess...
     
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  13. TalkingTennis91

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    Dude, Breakpoint said it perfectly.
     
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  14. tennisinoc

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    Why are you trying to change it if it works for you? If you are planning on changing your grip style and stroke, then might as well try it smaller. If not, I wouldn't recommend it.
     
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  15. JayxTheKoolest

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    Actually, I've found that smaller grips hurt both my serves and volleys. I also agree that the stability of the larger grip size on groundstrokes is important.

    I discovered this after trying to go down from a 4 1/2 (with leather grip) to a 4 1/4 (with leather grip and two overgrips). It just did not work.
     
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  16. Teh_pwnerer

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    Exactly smaller less stable, i think that 4 1/2 is like in between of all of them maybe 3/8 but im pretty comfortable with a 1/2 rite now, as for fed and nad, nadal definetly uses 1/4 for the ammount of spin he generates as for fed i bet its 3/8
     
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  17. JayxTheKoolest

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    The grips go from 0-6, so the sizes 3-4 are the middle (3/8 and 1/2).
     
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  18. AlpineCadet

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    I'll make this quick. ;)

    Grip sizing for a person mostly depends on personal preference. I am 4 5/8ths according to Wilson's hand-sizing chart, but I don't use that big of a grip. Again, personal comfort should matter most. Just remember this: a bigger grip size will provide better stability, which translates into more power, while a smaller grip size will allow a broader range of motion for your wrist, which translates into faster racket snap/motion. Keep in mind that if you go one size too small, you'll have a problem with a 'fluttering' non-stable wrist. I'm not sure how going one size too big will effect your game, since I've never personally experienced it.
     
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  19. AlpineCadet

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    There is no magic grip size since we all have different hand sizes.
     
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  20. califsurferboy33

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    my pure drive has a 3/8ths grip, and i use a tourna grip (anyone know how think this is? well i then switched to a overgrip that was .07mm and all of a sudden it seemed that i was hitting the ball with more power. i don't know if i was just getting more spin or i was actaully hitting the ball with more power. i then switched back to the tourna grip and i was hitting the ball regular again. who knows
     
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  21. JayxTheKoolest

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    Yes, absolutely true. We all have different hands and preferences.
     
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  22. bluetrain4

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    These days, standard sizing is moot. Go with what's comfortable, even if it is smaller than what traditionally has been considered normal.

    Bigger grips made sense for classic eastern forehands. But with the whippy motions to day, smaller grips make that easier for a lot of people. Problem is a smaller grip can be good for one stroke and not so good for another, which someone else suggsted.

    I can play fine with 4 and 3/8 or 4 and 1/2, both with an overgrip, but prefer the smaller size. Plus, it's easier to bulk up a smaller grip should your preference change than decrease the size of a larger grip.
     
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  23. tennis_hand

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    Fed probably has a small hand. His 4 3/8 and 1 overgrip still leaves him some gap between ring finger and the palm. and he is 1.85m tall. Imagine such a tall guy use a 4 3/8. it is his hand size.

    smaller grip makes u want to use wrist a lot. and that is bad.
     
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  24. grizzly4life

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    does federer have a space there? i didn't think so.

    FWIW (not much), i've moved to smaller grip and i really like it, and i have big hands..... get much, much more spin and control. large grip is good for rallying straight ahead and deep, but anything else and i find it's not so great..... and i like the smaller grip moving the frame back towards a more balanced weighting (as building up my grip made it way too HL..... i like buying them smaller and building them up, although you could buy them bigger grip brand new and i suppose you won't have the HL problem)
     
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  25. tennis_hand

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    check his photos. there is some space. u'll have big trouble playing in atp, if u can cross ur ring finger.
     
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  26. PackardDell

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    I use L4 + overgrip.
     
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  28. BobFL

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    Are you serious?:-D
    Inches, of course.

    PS can you imagine grip size with 4.5 cm circumference? :-D
     
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  29. PackardDell

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  30. PackardDell

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    btw: 12.0 cm is about 4.7 inch (12.0 cm is a second measurement, a bit more accurate is this one i think)
     
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  31. BreakPoint

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    Looks like you're an L5 ( 4 5/8 )
     
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  32. PackardDell

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    ok thanks for that

    At the moment I use a Head L4 + overgrip. That is a right choice i see
     
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  33. AlpineCadet

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    The only way you can tell what's right for you is to ACTUALLY try out the grip sizes over a long period of time. You can decide right here and now what grip size you'd prefer, but in the end, what works best for you will always take experimentation and practice time. Just because a specific pro uses a specific grip size, doesn't mean you'll automatically play better if you copy him/her.
     
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  34. dennis1188

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    I currently use a 4 1/4 for serve games (serve/volley).
    I switch to my 4 3/8 for return games (better return of service and 1 hd/bkhd).
     
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  35. welcome2petrkordaland

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    Okay, i like what Alpine says. i think many comments on this thread fail to mention the importance of HOW MUCH WRIST is used in your strokes. i happen you use, although not technically ideal i realize, a lot of wrist on both my fh and bh and i've found that smaller grips 1/4 works the best and allows much CONTROL. so it's all about how wristy your shots are. i'd add that one-handed bh are suited for smaller grips whereas a 2 hander can get away get a bigger grip since they use 2 hands, naturally
     
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  36. a guy

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    I'm a 4 3/8 man myself.
     
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  37. BreakPoint

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    I'd say it's the other way around. Larger grips are much better for 1HBH's because since you only have one hand on the grip, you need to to have more grip to get your thumb behind, which is really for the most part, the only part of your hand behind the shot. You can get away with smaller grips with 2HBH's because you have two hands on the grip to keep a smaller grip from twisting in your hands.

    I'm guessing you hit a 2HBH?
     
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  38. TennisFrkJC92

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    Can you get a smaller size and if you want to bulk it up, use 2 overgrips? Would that affect your gameplay regarding feel, shock, maneuverability, slippage, etc...?
     
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  39. welcome2petrkordaland

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    break point, i actually use a one hander with an extreme western grip where my thumb is in the "thumbs up" position perpendicular to where i'm trying to hit the ball (and not tucked down making a fist), if you know what i'm saying. and i use a tremendous amount of wrist through contact, which i know is not ideal. i'm surprised idon't have wrist probs, esp. using polys. overall, i don't know about 2 handers; i'm just kind of generalizing about my bh stroke and how i've noticed larger grip sizes of friends who have 2 handers. with a lot of wrist use in a 1 hander, a smaller grip allows me to have more control.
     
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  40. BreakPoint

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    OK, well, whatever works for you. I was referring more to the conventional eastern backhand grip, which I use. For that grip, you want a larger grip because you need to have your thumb behind the shots.
     
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  41. PackardDell

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    some useful info I found on a website

     
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  42. TREX

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    Guys Fed has a normal gap on his racquet. He must have

    smaller hands for his height. That or somebody is wrong about grip size.

    All this talk about Wrist in strokes is hooey. There are 2 strokes that require or benefit from wrist pronation. The serve and overhead. Holding the grip loosely and with a continental to eastern backhand grip allows this with little regard to grip size.

    Film of Aggasi shows that the wrist does not roll on his groundstroks. Topspin is generated with a low to high motion and the longer the racquet stays on the path toward the ball the more likely a clean stroke.

    if you cant slide your forefinger of your off hand (Or almost do it) into the gap on your gripped racquet you are probably playing with a grip too small.
     
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  43. quest01

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    Ive heard that using a smaller grip size may increase the chance of tennis elbow.
     
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  44. leonidas1982

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    what is your grip size?
     
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  45. Fedace

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    I use 4 7/8 grip size, bigger that better
     
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  46. BreakPoint

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    Now, 4 1/2 with leather grips plus a thick overgrip. I used to use a 4 5/8 as a kid but just bare leather grips.
     
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  47. tzinc

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    Cool. Is everything other then grip size the same with the racquets? What racquets and string set ups do you use?
     
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  48. 2shots

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    Question

    Does grip size not relate to the size of you hand? Surely the experience of using for example a 4 3/8 grip, will feel different for someone with large hands in comparison to someone with small hands
     
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  49. SempreSami

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    I find the size 4 grip on my [K]90 to feel a lot more comfortable than that on my old racquet. Might be the leather grip, I dunno.
     
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  50. Jackie T. Stephens

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    What??? I couldn't have even gripped something like that.
     
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