Gulbis hit 59 winners against Nadal on Rome Clay?!?!?

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  1. Mike Sams

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    It's interesting that Gulbis has the physical power to be hitting balls past Nadal on slow clay of all places, considering Nadal is the defensive machine. Regardless, it's fun to see Gulbis play like this. He gave it a great effort. Exciting style to watch. Good win for Nadal but Gulbis made the match a ton of fun.:) Just as good as their 3 set war in 2010 Rome.
     
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  2. MichaelNadal

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    Seriously, like I said before, when Nadal is gone, people will realize just how exciting his clay dominance is. Anytime someone can do what Gulbis did, it's an instant story and a huge deal. A hush takes over the stadium if it looks like he'll lose the match. It's insane. This is a match we wouldn't appreciate nearly as much if Rafa wasn't the dominant force he is. Gulbis is one of those guys Rafa really respects game-wise. His downfall is that he is stubborn enough to rely on his defense and stamina to outlast Gulbis. One day he will be a half step slow to retrieve the bombs and then it's too late.
     
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  3. Warmaster

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    I disagree. Gulbis playing like he did would've been entertaining versus anyone. On the contrary, Nadal playing like he did would've been very boring to watch if he played someone who lacked the offensive possibilities of Gulbis.

    Gulbis made the match fun to watch.
     
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    Nah, it's the contrast of styles that makes the most entertaining matches.

    Gulbis-Nadal match was spectacular power hitting against spectacular defense.
     
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    Those UE's Gulbis had were just too much but Gulbis looks to be getting used to his new forehand.

    His errors will go down quite a bit with some more practice and not always going for so much when not needed.

    That match was one of the best on clay IMO and now that Gulbis is taking his game more seriously he should be a regular fixture in the later rounds. :)
     
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    Watched it. He was in god mode in the first set. Whipping i/o winners like a boss.
     
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  7. Mike Sams

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    Their 2010 Rome match was great too. Gulbis had an insane amount of winners in that match also. He needs a win in order to spark his confidence.
     
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    But the high winner-high ue stats means he is taking too much risk and giving away free points to let Rafa come back.
     
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    And probably another 50 in their 2010 Rome meeting.
     
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  11. TheNatural

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    Gulbis played well, but don't be deceived by the stats, Nadal also foced Gulbis into many forced errors, and a forced error is basically just like a winner. A more useful stat would be :'winners and forced errors combined, without service winners'. Nadal also had more Break point chances than Gulbis.
     
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  12. WhiskeyEE

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    Nadal's defense isn't that good anymore. Certainly nothing like it was when he was a teenager.
     
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  13. The-Champ

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    True.

    This makes Djokovic 2.0 lucky and Peak Federer unlucky.



    Djokovic peaked at the right time..
     
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  14. wy2sl0

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    Nadal is definitely not as good as he used to be on clay ala 2005-2008, however he is still the best. The way Gulbis plays translates across all surfaces. A winner is a winner.

    Have some of you guys played on clay? I have only played once and it was, to me, much faster than the public hard courts here. Very hard to return aggressive shots.
     
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  15. WhiskeyEE

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    I've played on (red) clay, outdoor public hardcourt, plexipave, carpet, and decoturf.

    Clay plays similar to plexipave where the topspin really bites and bounces straight up into the air. Clay is slightly slower than plexipave, but overall my impression was that the surfaces affected the ball similarly (moving on the 2 is obviously much different).

    Decoturf was notably faster than the 2 and carpet was similar to decoturf with a super low bounce. On carpet, topspin doesn't bite whatsoever and slice stays low. I imagine grass playing similar to that.

    Outdoor public (I assume they're made out of some sort of concrete) is variable with some courts playing medium and others playing really fast/low bouncing.

    I played on one outdoor court that had a really slick finish and it was the lowest bouncing court I've played on.
     
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  16. The-Champ

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    I've played on clay and yes it's quite fast especially when it's really dry. I've played on indoor wood some 15 years ago and felt uncomfortable running on it, hated it and it was too fast for me.
     
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  17. WhiskeyEE

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    you guys must be playing on some really dry/hard clay
     
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    Hard flat balls can be effective on clay. That's how masha and Li Na won their RG.
     
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  19. WhiskeyEE

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    there's a saying in tennis that goes: "if you can hit winners on clay, you can hit winners anywhere."
     
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    I only played on red clay once in Germany last summer. Fast is not a word I'd use at all to describe my experience on it. I'm used to playing on Har Tru which is much faster. Spin is accentuated on the red clay but flatter shots just sit up after they land.
     
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    Makes me wonder if Gulbis is now able to beat Nadal on every other surface? I think he stands a good chance on their next meeting on a non clay court.
    Anyway, their next meeting will be one to watch!!!
     
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  22. aldeayeah

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    Don't think so. The slow surface actually helps Gulbis because it helps him cover up his lousy defense.

    The same happened with Soderling.
     
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    Hard Court / Clay, Gulbis may hit 80 winners and have less unforced errors due to having less balls coming back. Gulbis will not have to hit as many great shots to win the point. Gulbis's D won't matter as much since Rafa is the one on D most the match.
     
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    on faster conditions he will not have time to prepare for winners.
     
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    Against Nadal, he will have time though.
     
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