Gulbis lost to Nadal 6 times, but taken a set off him 5 times. Hurting or helping?

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Gulbis lost to Nadal 6 times, but taken a set off him 5 times. Hurting or helping?

  1. Hurts Gulbis because he knows no matter how close he gets he'll never close the deal

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  2. Helps Gulbis because it gives him confidence that he can hang with the best

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  1. tennis_hack

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    Does it hurt or help Gulbis to know that he has chances against Nadal the majority of the times they've played, but he's always lost in the end?

    I think it only hurts his chances. It would have been better for his confidence if he had been destroyed by Nadal 6 times, at least he would have a fresh outlook the 7th time they met. He knows he can't do any worse than he's done in the past.

    As it stands, even if Gulbis goes up a set the next time they play, in the back of his mind he knows it's no better than he's done in the past, and he WILL lose in the end. So why even bother playing out the next sets?

    Getting close but never quite making it over the finish line is what destroys players in the end - look at what happened to Coria's career. Similarly, I reckon that since Ferrer got so close to beating to Nadal last week, he will just be destroyed tomorrow.

    So what do you reckon, do you agree? If you're going to lose, never lose a close match - either win or make sure you get hit off the court completely?
     
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  2. veroniquem

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    In this instance, I think it helps Nadal to reinforce his confidence for the rest of the tournament (just like IW). Really don't think it helps Gulbis at all to keep failing closing out matches against Rafa, sorry.
     
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  3. cc0509

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    It hurts Gulbis, a loss is still a loss no matter how you slice it. The object of a tennis match is to win it no matter how close it may be.
     
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  4. tennis_hack

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    Yes, but what I mean is I think it hurts Gulbis's future success more that he lost so narrowly today, rather than if he'd lost 6-0, 6-0.

    I think his short peak is over now, similar to when Coria narrowly lost in the French Open.
     
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  5. TheF1Bob

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    Obviously Gulbis. It's the same situation for Ferrer. The more the streak goes on, the chances of beating Nadal go down.
     
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  6. bullfan

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    I love Gulbis confidence within himself. The problem is that Gulbis needs better tactics, less negative energy, and focus.
     
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  7. kishnabe

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    I would put money on Gulbis to beat Nadal the next time they play over Ferrer, Almagro, Verdasco, Raonic, Federer.
     
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  8. Talker

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    Good post.

    Gulbis just was hanging with the best clay courter of all time, he knows that as well as anyone else.

    Right about the tactics, he gets a little too fired up and goes for a little too much.
    Just with the tactics he could have won, he was the better physical player but that isn't enough. Nadal knows all the tricks on clay and how to adjust to an opponent.

    Gulbis has just been pushing himself for a few months now, he's making great strides.

    99% of all players would have lost badly today.
     
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  9. bullfan

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    It's like cooking. You can have all the ingredients, but it's all in how you make the dish. For Gulbis to proceed on his march to the. Top, he needs more patience and thought as to the final product. I only watched the first set the delay forced me to head into work, where I only saw the score, but Gulbis was freaking red hot in the first set. Gulbis lacks tennis guile due to his previous playboy attitude. He needs to realize he needs those as well.

    Gulbis always taken a set, and that gives him confidence, he doesn't think Rafa will roll him. Shoot, Berdych could take a lesson in confidence from Gulbis.
     
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  10. Relinquis

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    he didn't just take a set, he fed him a breadstick...
     
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  11. TheTruth

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    Agree with your post, especially the bolded part.
     
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  12. TheTruth

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    I don't think it's hurting Gulbis, I think it's helping him. I also think he will get a win eventually because he enjoys playing Nadal. He'll see this as getting closer, knowing that he needs to play smarter, and yep, he might eventually prevail.
     
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  13. Tenez101

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    I think it helps him because it makes him hungrier.
     
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  14. BreakPoint

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    What I want to know is how did Gulbis NOT beat Nadal yesterday? Had set points to bagel Nadal in the 1st set and had tons of break points throughout the entire match. Gulbis clearly out played Nadal yesterday but somehow still lost the match. :confused:
     
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  15. namelessone

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    By having this little thing known as 50 UNFORCED ERRORS. While Gulbis ended up with a +9 W/UE differential and Rafa with a -6, Gulbis played the big moments pretty badly.

    However, when the pressure was off, like in the first set and when Nadal had broken him in the second set, he was playing lights out tennis. Look how he broke Nadal right back each time. When it came time to drive the point home however, Gulbis blinked. Hell, even when he anihilated Rafa in the first set, he still needed 5 SP to give the breadstick.

    Gulbis needs to learn how to play big on the big points. It's easy to ballbash when things are just getting started or when the other guy is starting to get himself into the game. It's far tougher to do so in key instances of the match.

    That's what makes champions. Nadal was on his B game if I'm being generous while Gulbis was zoning for like 80% of this match and yet he made enough mistakes in that 20% to allow Nadal a lead which he eventually converted.

    That's why tennis is so great and so brutal at the same time. It's 80% mental because it relies so much on these key points. Gulbis had way more winners(but also way more errors, something which is forgotten), more aces and won more points(97 to 94) but he faultered on the big points and thus Nadal prevailed.

    This is hardly new for Gulbis, even new and improved Gulbis. He took a set off Nadal in 5 of their last 6 meetings and yet he is 0-6 against Nadal in their h2h.
     
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  16. zagor

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    Not winning but it's certainly better getting closer to the finish line each time than receiving beatdowns in which you're hopelessly outmatched.

    Actually, Gulbis had a better BP conversion than Nadal IIRC, I think it was something like 4/9 for Gulbis and 4/11 for Nadal.
     
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  17. Relinquis

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    Gulbis said at Indian Wells that a key difference between him and Nadal is that Rafa forces you to take a risk when he's nervous whereas Ernests tends to take riskier shots when he's nervous.

    I think this makes their matches particularly interesting on big points.

    Source: http://www.bnpparibasopen.com/News/...-Transcripts/Ernests-Gulbis-Fourth-Round.aspx
     
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  18. wy2sl0

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    The best thing that can happen is have all of the top guys taken out at different times from big hitters, to remind them that they can just as easily be eradicated if they play kiddie tennis.

    Federer got Tsonga'd, Djokovic almost lost to Stan, and did lose to Isner, Murray lost to Raonic twice last year, and Nadal to Rosol and almost Isner at R.G.

    It is good for the sport. A shame Gulbis didn't win though, because IMO all this does is give MORE confidence to Nadal to just play passive when things aren't going his way, knowing Gulbis will collapse.
     
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  19. Tennis_Hands

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    For the up and coming players, it can only be a positive thing, if they get to meet the top players, and have close contested matches, as they gather a lot of experience.

    Especially with Nadal, who is a lefty.
     
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  20. dominikk1985

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    gulbis often wins sets against top Players.

    occasionally he even wins matches but then loses against the no. 120 in the next round.

    basically he is the opposite of ferrer:).
     
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  21. stringertom

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    IW and Rome losses really hurt him badly in the points race for a seed @RG. Getting close but not finishing helps him psychologically more than receiving a beatdown but, in the end, it's still a loss.

    Hope his draw puts him in Nadal's quarter so he can "get back on the horse".
     
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  22. heninfan99

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    I think Gulbis can pull a Soderling but he will need to maintain focus and ignore bad calls and all distractions.
     
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