Gulbis - potential vs partying

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  1. sportsfan1

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    As I saw the LA Farmers classic coming up, I remembered Gulbis won the 2011 title beating JMDP(?) and Fish on the way, and at the time thinking this would be a resurgence for him. Of course, it didn't turn out that way, which is disappointing as I admire the shot making and talent.

    The guy's a headcase and the partying has been well documented, e.g. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...you-cant-think-only-about-tennis-2269657.html, although as a guy I can understand about this myself.

    But I wonder: all said and done, with all that talent, Gulbis must want to be a top player, a contender at events? Is it possible for him to continue his current ways and still have a Djoker 2011 like moment where it all falls into place? Or can he not rein in the chic chasing - just a case of "marching to the tune of a different drummer" and he can't have a Fed/Nadal ethic?
     
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  2. joeri888

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    His Career is closer to the end than Federer's
     
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  3. Biscuitmcgriddleson

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    He is an amazing talent that can't seem to get all the gears to click. Not sure if it's natural inconsistencies or a disregard for the practice courts.
     
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    i expect him to call it quits after the season tbh
     
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  5. NamRanger

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    He's got some talent, but really he's abit overrated.
     
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    A nightmare when he's on fire but he's just a fan favorite during his normal level of play

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    Safin Lite?
     
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  8. Colin

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    Hey, you're only young once. He's filthy rich, traveling the world and also playing a little tennis once in a while. Maybe he figures he won't win a slam anyway (who is with the Top 3 in the way), so it's not a big deal whether he goes out in the third round or quarterfinals and he'll have fun along the way.
     
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  9. joeri888

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    He'll be out of the top 150 by the end of the year at this rate. Not much 3rd rounds that's for sure.
     
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  10. Colin

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    Maybe he can focus on winning Challengers. :twisted:
     
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    I believe that in a few years, when Gulbis has no ranking anymore, has seen the parties, has seen what it's like to have a blond, or a brunette, a H cup or a B cup, he will regret that he gave up on a great tenniscareer for it.

    Sure you are young only once, so I don't ssay he shouldn't party. I just think he could have done with a bit less. Take off twice a year, party for a week and start training again, let yourself have 1 or 2 days each time you're in Latvia, but seriously, an athlete should not go out partying for a full week after he played 1 good tournament, with the next tournament already waiting.

    Party's are fun, but once he gets bit older and settles down, I think he's likely to regret his decisions.
     
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    It's a myth that he goes out partying.

    I bet he just sits at home on his game-boy.

    To top it off, he is not talented at all.
     
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    Guy that's such a headcase, still young, doesnt seem particularly hardworking, yet has taken a win from Federer HAS to be talented.
     
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    Alejandro fvcking Falla nearly got a win from Federer, a GS win and all, you gna call him talented?
     
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    Falla's not young, not a headcase and didn't win. So, although he has a lot of talent (everyone has), he's not as talented as Gulbis was.
     
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    Would you give a **** to the world if your family had US$7 billions?

    Come on. Tennis is just his hobby.
     
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  17. MethodTennis

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    nalbandian slipping down the rankings from where he once was so this forum decide to pick gulbis as their next favourite player for the future. Claiming he's super talented.

    Then when it becomes evident he isnt very talented and he kinda sucks in terms of top level pros, posters on here piece together a few pictures and interviews and claim that he isnt just not up to standard but that he just doesnt try hard in practice and goes out partying instead.

    There is absolutly no way this is the case, he is just a player who flashes very hot and very cold, good wins , rough losses but no one could gain a top 30 ranking living the type of life you guys portray. He probably does enjoy to part I dont doubt it but he's hardly a sex adicted alcoholic.

    You guys are gonna now come in and want to be like well Safin was and he was world number one, again he enjoyed the party I'm sure but he probably worked his ****ing butt off to be as good as he was, through training. What he created was an image and a brand behind him, which allowed him to obtain more money from doing adverts and endorsments. He created the image of a womanizer on the back of something which was probably true to some extent.

    Never kid yourself, these players have to work their ass of to maintain ranking because there is always someone with more tallents whos willing to train harder and is ready to beat them as a wild card in the first round of every event or later in draws.
     
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  18. The Bawss

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    This is often overlooked on these boards. Any of the party animals any of us know are pretty far removed from an ATP "party animal" because they simply don't have the same amount of time nor do they mistreat their bodies in the same way.
     
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    I don't agree with this "young only once" stuff. There's nothing you can do at 20-30 that you can't do at 40-50, especially if you have oodles of money. You can sure travel in your 40's and 50's and its not like he's climbing Everest, or trekking across Antarctica, or crossing the Atlantic in a boat.

    Poor boy, life wasted partying and having fun.
     
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    Sentinel knows this best.Been through this.
     
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  21. RF-17-GOAT

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    He's rich. He's just coasting tbh.
     
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    Potential my left ***, if he was good he would be getting consistent results. Beating Federer once is nothing. Rosol beat Nadal, he's not a huge talent too is he? He had that one day where everything worked. Same with Ernie. If he played consistently, he'd be top 50, with good form getting him to top 30. And guess what? That's not going to happen.
     
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  23. sportsfan1

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    At his rate of partying, by now he's likely been through that, cheerleading teams and more a couple of times over..:shock:
    Good point though, tennis career is very short but he can party on for a long, long time afterwards. I wonder what his coaching team and family advice him...
     
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  24. zapvor

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    gulbis is the new safin
     
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    Except Safin was actually good enough to win something.
     
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    I agree with the he might quit comment. Can't continue like this. How many times does he want to lose first round while posting just enough points to stay out of the challengers?
     
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    Partying in straight sets.
     
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    living the dream.

    too bad his career is folding over.

    anyways, he's a lucky loser.
     
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  29. TennisD

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    No, they're not. In fact, the guys on the tour who have reputations as "party animals" probably go a hell of a lot harder than you and anyone you know. Being a high-level athlete (you know, the kind with youth, noteriety, and tons of money...) is hardly going to prevent most guys from "mistreating their bodies". In fact, for some people it'll actually make it easier to do so. The big difference is that they'll get up and hit for four hours the next day (albeit perhaps not terribly well), and the averave "party animal" is going to ***** about their hangover. Anyone who's been out on the town during a Grand Slam, or for that matter even a Futures event, will know that I'm right.
     
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    Ernests doesn't have to worry about money and plays for the lifestyle. Most of the Russian and East European players came from poor backgrounds and need to win for the money. Best wishes to him, but I do not think he will ever be very motivated.
     
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    Not disputing this, but the top 10, or atleast the top 4 are not motivated by money. Fed, Nadal, Djoker and Murray certainly could quit now and be in very good financial shape. But it's the performance, records and place in history that drives them greatly at this point, I would guess, even though the continued influx of riches is contributes too.
     
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    The problem isn't partying for Gulbis that aspect is blown out of proportion.

    The real problem is his on court mentality.

    Gulbis doesn't want to play a patient consistent game, the few occasions he has , he played very good tennis. He has some of the biggest ground strokes in tennis, and thinks he should be able to hit winners at will. He takes way too much risk and as a result he has very inconsistent results. He tries to dictate play and hit through everyone he plays, he is not willing to compromise very often.
     
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    Yeah that's probably true. I think if I was born with that silver spoon in my mouth, I don't think I'd work that hard to be the best tennis player ever.

    Money definitely changes things, especially if you always had it. If you earned it, then you appreciate it much more, because you realize that it was a product of how hard you worked. When you've always had it, you know that it doesn't matter how hard you work, it will still be there.
     
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  34. Ripster

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    Gulbis was down 6-2, 5-2 to Haider-Maurer and came back to win 2-6, 7-5, 6-1. I watched the match and it looked like he wasn't trying until he got way down and then elevated his level to a point that Maurer could barely win games.
     
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    The difference is Gulbis closed the deal and won (granted only 2 out of 3 and a non-major) AND went on a run and made it to the SF and gave Nadal a very tough match on Nadal's favorite surface.

    Who knows what the truth is? He brought Canas in - would he do that if he didn't care at all? The Safin references are pretty good - Safin's family wasn't incredibly wealthy - but once he won the US Open I think he was quickly set for life.
     
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    is he injured or?
     
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    For all his inconsistency, Safin won 2 majors, 5 masters series titles, 2 Davis Cups with Russia, and was world number 1 for 9 weeks. That's on another level altogether compared to Gulbis.
     
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