Gut hybrid or 100% gut? Can you tell the difference?

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  1. 8F93W5

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    I'm sure it's been discussed here before, but I missed it.

    Can you tell the difference between a hybrid string job using gut mains and non gut crosses compared to a string job with 100% gut?
    I'm afraid to try the hybrid. I don't want to ruin a good set of gut.

    I string my own racquets and have used Prince synthetic gut for about the last 25 years. I buy a 660 foot reel and it's about $2.50 per string job.

    I decided to try real gut. Babolat VS 125/17. I love this string! But it was $53.00! (I just ordered 2 sets from Tennis Warehouse for 46 I think).

    $46.00 per string job is hard to justify when I've been doing it for $2.50 for 25 years. But the gut is very nice

    Anyway, they guy at the shop where I bought the gut told me to do a hybrid job using half of the gut on the mains. That way I can get two string jobs from each set of gut.
    I'm worried that I won't like the hybrid job as much as I like the 100% gut using the one piece method. Does anyone here have experience using both methods? 100% gut verses gut with anything else hybrid? Can you tell a difference?
     
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  2. TimothyO

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    Gut/Gut versus Gut/Poly

    - Gut/Poly offers easier access to spin

    - Gut/Poly is lower powered

    - Gut/Poly can feel COMPLETELY different depending on the specific poly cross. I love certain poly crosses and consider others useless.

    - Gut/Poly can take some time to figure out what you like since each hybrid is different

    - Gut/Gut is more comfortable

    - Gut/Gut offers far greater longevity

    - Gut/Gut is actually cheaper over time since Gut/Poly usually needs to be restrung more frequently due to the poly cutting the gut mains faster or the poly dies becoming less controllable and/or less comfortable

    - Gut/Gut is easier to find something you like...only variable is tension really

    If love to experiment, enjoy the extra spin access, and don't mind spending the money, then try gut/poly. If you don't have that patience and find gut provides sufficient access to spin without being too powerful then stick with pure gut.

    One aspect of hybrids I can't stress enough: it will take time to find something you enjoy and you will likely hate some hybrids. If you go the hybrid route prepare for pain to go with the benefits. Otherwise stick with full gut. The initial acquisition cost is higher than other strings but it provides far superior performance right up until it breaks. Other strings often need to be cut out and restrung. You don't need to do that with gut.

    I love the feel and cost benefits of pure gut but am addicted to the brain-dead easy access to spin with gut/poly. I call it "casually accessible spin" since even a moderate brushing stroke produces outstanding spin. What modern frames did for easy access to power in a lightweight package gut/poly does for spin imo: it makes it easier for mid-level players to hit with greater spin.
     
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  3. maxpotapov

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    I don't know, TimothyO, I'm playing with Pacific Tough Gut / WC Mosquito Bite close to 30 hours already. It works even better than fresh, no discomfort or anything from presumably dead poly cross.
    Full gut is overkill, and not very efficient too, as mains will not snap back as fast and easy. Maybe it's good for some flat hitters... with wooden racquets...
     
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  4. Buford T Justice

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    Ive also been using gut/poly and have no plans to cut the poly out. I will play these combos until something breaks.
     
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    I am a flat hitter but not a wooden racquet hitter,as I cannot understand your comment about a wooden racquet, as my nat. gut lasts a long time being a flat style hitter.It's not overkill, as the comfort, feel and power is like no other type string, at least with a quality gut.
     
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  6. kazamzaa

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    My opinion is that full bed nat gut is better for more traditional (more flat) strokes. If you hit with an extreme grip and spin gut/poly hybrid last longer and feel better.

    Then there is of course gut/syn gut hybrid. That will definitely be much less expensive, and almost the same as full gut.
     
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  7. 8F93W5

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    Thank you everyone for sharing your opinion on my question
     
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    Has anyone tried gut/syn gut hybrid ?
     
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  10. Fintft

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    Yeah, same here with Babolat VS Team 17 full gut.
     
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  11. mctennis

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    Ditto. I use gut gut in some of my racquets. I don't use a wooden racquet either. I do not have to restring the gut until it breaks. A long, long time for me.
     
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  12. mctennis

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    TimothyO, great post. I agree with your analysis.
     
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  13. 2Hare

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    Just want to add if you decide to try hybrid, go with Alu Power in the cross. It's the best combo. I've tried a lot of other polys in the cross thanks to this board. None of them come close to gut/alu.
     
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    Currently using Gut / Co-Focus, coming from full gut.

    Gut / Co-Focus gives me the confidence to take fuller swings at the ball, as it feels much less powered than full gut. Spin seems increased as well. Full gut is way more comfortable though.
     
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  15. JT_2eighty

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    I notice everyone immediately started talked Gut/Poly, but the OP has been using Prince SYN GUT for the last 25 years.

    So, to answer his question: You should Definitely try Gut mains/Prince syn gut crosses. You will get most of the feel of full gut, and actually better durability. I string this exact setup for a hitting partner of mine, and it lasts him 2-3 times longer than full gut would. Full Gut notches and frays upon itself, while Gut main/Prince Syn Gut cross has better durability for almost half the cost, it does not notch in the same way that full gut does, thus giving better string life. You can also play it until it breaks, and not sweat whether or not your poly crosses feel dead or not or anything. Plus, you won't go off the deep end of experimenting if this poly or that one is better or worse than the last; whether you got the tension right or not.

    Since you already know what you like with Full Syn Gut, you can just string Gut main/Syn Gut cross, and use your same tension. The feel will be a blend of the two things you already know and love. If you don't use poly, don't start now, as that will be a bigger change. Gut/Syn gut is honestly something more people should use, it provides amazing gut feel, for less money and longer string life. Poly crosses may help with some spin, but honestly Gut/Syn Gut is awesome, especially for price/performance for a Natural Gut setup.
     
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  16. mikeler

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    This is a perfect summary. Unless you just want a whole bunch of power to blast people off the court with serves, full gut is just too expensive for how long it lasts (at least for me).
     
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