Gut/Poly hybrid

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  1. TennisFan2

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    I'm looking to upgrade from a Poly/Multi hybrid which lasts 10-15 hours of play for me to potentially a Gut/Poly.

    I currently use Wilson Ultimate Duos 53/57. I have heard amazing things about Volkl Cyclone. But a full bed of poly kills my arm sometimes. I do currently play with a Volkl Oraganix 10.

    Is Volkl Cyclone a good cross for a Gut main? What Gut would work well with it? I do tend to play from the baseline with a heavy spin game. Any suggestions for hybrids would be awesome.
     
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  2. Lukhas

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    Unfortunately, gut-poly will last about the same time. It isn't because of the gut, it is because of the poly. Poly dies very quickly, so it brings the stringbed down while the gut is still alive and kicking. I heard some folks here just restring the crosses though. No concrete experience for or against that method was found AFAIK. To sum up, who knows what can happen to the frame, it hasn't happened yet.
     
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    I thought I read around some other topics of the string beds last 30+ hours of solid playability.

    But the arm friendliness is also an important factor, if not more so.
     
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  4. drgchen

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    Recently tried gut mains with poly crosses. Pacific natural gut and RPM blast. The string bed was comfortable. Strung at 60 lbs in a babolat pure storm tour. It was similar in stiffness to a full bed of synthetic gut. Spin is good, control is good.

    Honestly, if the poly dies really fast, I will restring the crosses. I think that the chances of damage to the frame are less than 1%. Durability will depend on how you play...the string could break before you get your 30 hours...If I get 10 hours I will be happy.

    Volkl cyclone should work as a cross. You can buy a half set of gut for the mains.
     
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  5. TennisFan2

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    The string bed gets more comfortable at lower tensions. I believe I read gut/poly plays really well in the high 49s/low 50s.

    How is VS touch, Wilson Gut and Klip Legend? Or is another better?
     
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  6. Lukhas

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    It feels so because the playability of gut "compensates". But in fact, the poly is well dead as the same time he'd be in a poly/multi hybrid. It's just that gut is so good.
     
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    I have no complaints about performance of the first hours with any gut/poly hybrids ive tried. It's what happens after that. ..
    If I can't find anything better, then I will just stick with tonicBF/bhs17. When my current Pacific classic 16L/ yonex ptp 16L snaps I will put wilson16/msvFH17. Hoping to find the perfect setup with that.
    I always string crosses 3lbs lower. Pk ki5 315.
     
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  8. Rjtennis

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    You can play gut/poly for 30 hours if it doesn't break. The mains dictate the feel of the stick and offer great long-term playability and comfort. I just wouldn't use any textured polys as it will snap much quicker. Use a smooth poly that has good tension maintenance.
     
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    If you just string the crosses, then I heard that could damage the racket or just break it altogether.:???:
     
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  10. Lukhas

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    I heard it too. Never got a proof. Give me the proof, then I'll agree it can happen.
     
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    I think people are referring to those that in Junior tournament,, in orange bowl, I think it was. Some stringer left rackets 1/2 way done and left it on the machine Over-night. and when they came back in the morning, they found that these rackets were Warped...........:shock:
     
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  12. TennisFan2

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    Is any one gut better for spin? Or all they all about the same?

    I read Klip Lengend is a favorite amoung the board I thought.
     
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  13. Lukhas

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    If you left a racquet half strung, that's what is likely going to happen anyway, restringing of the crosses or not. Why do you think people cut the strings when it breaks?
     
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    It is theoretically possible for a racquet to break if strung inappropriately. If you have a six point mount then it should be less likely that the racquet will warp if the tension on the frame is different. Cutting the poly cross out, then mounting the racquet would be risky.

    Probably the safest way to restring would be the following:
    Place frame in six point mount.
    Carefully cut out the poly crosses.
    Restring the poly crosses.
    Remove from the six point mount.

    Anyhow I haven't broken a racquet during stringing and I can get racquets for relatively cheap. I usually restring quite often, but with gut I might break that rule and keep it in until it is broken.

    BTW I've received many racquets with broken strings where the person didn't cut out the strings afterwards...and I haven't seen them break. It is rare for a racquet to break or permanently warp based on the tension of the strings. YMMV
     
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    Maybe KL is "one" of the favorites. But, time and time again... Wilson NG is regarded as the best-of-the-best and the widely accepted rumor is that it is made by Babolat in France in the original VS gut formula (pre-BT7 coating).

    All NGs are about the same regarding spin. Not, however, for feel or durability. Try thinner gauge NG (like 17) for better spin. Won't compare to full poly though.
     
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  16. TennisFan2

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    Yeah I understand the not compared to full poly. My elbow will like it a little more though :)
     
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    I like Pacific Tough Gut for the mains. A couple of things for extending the life of the stringbed:
    As the poly loosens up, I put in string savers around the edges of the stringbed. since it increases the distance the strings cover, it slightly tightens the stringbed. I've had as much as 3 concentric rings, which is a lot of stringsavers. After that, I've restrung the poly crosses. It should be fine to do on a good stringer with a good mounting system, however, it must be done with care.
     
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  18. moonballs

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    What is the danger of just restringing the cross with a 2 point drop weight? I am thinking step 1, mount the racquet as snugly as possible against the holder, step 2, cut the crosses and remove them, step three, string in new crosses. Wouldn't the two point support provide enough force to hold the shape?
     
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    Who says going from poly/multi to gut/poly is an UPGRADE? :)
     
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  20. ricardo

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    None...

    I re-strung just the crosses 70 times and I haven't broken/warped a frame yet.
    I use NG Mains and multi/syn gut on the crosses @50/46-48 lbs.

    I will continue to use NG mains and re-string just the crosses when they break.

    For every NG mains, I break about 5 crosses.
     
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  21. moonballs

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    Ricardo, do you use a two point mount stringer?
     
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  22. JT_2eighty

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    I do this many times with my racquets on my Gamma X-2 dropweight, a two point stringer. I use a very flexible racquet that will show warping when I've strung mains too tight and crosses too loose. However, by mounting the racquet like you say, *before* cutting any crosses, and then cutting them throat to head, restringing head to throat, I've never seen any warping or damage to my already old and battered frames (which I think would break more easily than modern, stiffer racquets). As a comparison, I've strung gut/poly at 60lb main / 40lb cross on a Youtek Prestige Pro, a substantially newer, stiffer frame, and it barely showed any warping and was playable for that test as well as never cracked over multiple restrings and many matches.

    Thus, TLDR: yes you can use a two-point dropweight and restring crosses, as long as you mount the racquet first, then cut the crosses throat to head. It's a great way to preserve gut mains and play them til they break, while also allowing you to "refresh" the stringjob every so often with new crosses. I've even tried this on a racquet that sat in my trunk for months with used, frayed gut mains: refreshed the crosses and it played like a new stringjob.
     
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  23. JT_2eighty

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    See my post above, it's ok to do if you are a careful stringer.

    Also, another way around this if you don't string your own or worry about your frame, is to use polys in the crosses that are known for great tension stability: Weisscannon, Signum Pro, etc. I've tried a multitude of poly crosses and the differences between them all are very negligible; the key is using the best tension stability polys.
     
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  24. ricardo

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    Yes..I use a Gamma X2 2 point mount stringer. $159 brand new from Walmart..

    Yes..I use a Gamma X2 2 point mount stringer. $159 brand new from Walmart 2-3 years ago. It is now $179.
     
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  25. moonballs

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    Thank you both. I have the same gamma machine, now called progression.
     
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