GWB's Matchplay 10/26/08

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  1. Azzurri

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    what is the point? what reason does GWB have to lie? its not even about him. what difference does it make to you?
     
  2. Mansewerz

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    I can see where you're coming from Azzuri, and where fluffy is coming from.

    GWB often has some strange excuse for not posting vids that he said he would. Hey, maybe he doesn't want to look bad, or maybe it's just difficult for him to get a hold of a camera.

    This can frustrate people that want to see his game.

    Azzuri, yea it's true he doesn't have a reason to lie. But there are some pathetic people out there.

    That said, from what i've seen from GWB, he could easily beat me.
     
  3. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    He is very inactive with the USTA, he has not played a tournament since the beginning of August (says his tennisrecruiting.net profile) I am not allowed to disclose his full name though.


    For the people saying I'm lying about stuff? (?) I don't know where your getting your information from, but why would I need to lie for somebody else? That makes no sense to me. I don't need to defend anyone.

    How can I post a video that doesn't exist? I told you, that day he could not play, therefore I did not play tennis that day, which I already said. Believe me or not, it doesn't matter to me.
     
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    Hence the reason why I gave different possibilities. And it was directed at this whole thing in general, not just that match with your number 2.
     
  5. NamRanger

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    Because, no way a top high school junior is a 6.0 unless he's a prodigy. Most guys coming out of high school float around in that 5.0-5.5 range if they are in the top 200. GWB tends to over exaggerate at times.
     
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    What is your definition of 6.0?

    Stating what you personally define as 6.0 would clear up a lot of confusion.

    Capable of holding a world ranking in the 600-900 range?

    Or

    Top 50 ranked D1 player?

    J
     
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  7. 5263

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    Check out Kevin King. He's playing for GT this year, but graduated early and should be just a HS Jr.
    Last year he was 1 or 2 in the southerns at age 16 and he had match wins in futures at age 15. I did some work with him when he was 13-14.

    Top notch kid all the way around.
     
  8. FitzRoy

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    Jolly,

    NTRP considers holding any position in ATP rankings to signify 6.5; or, if it's inside the top 300 or so, then 7.0. It would be incorrect to define world ranking 600-900 as a 6.0.
     
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  9. fluffy Beaver

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    Nam is not talking top 200 ATP, but 200 nationally as a jr...

     
  10. FitzRoy

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    fluffy, I wasn't responding to NamRanger's post, though I guess it did sound like I was. I was responding to Jolly's question as to NamRanger's theoretical NTRP qualification for 6.0.
     
  11. 5263

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    6.0 This player will generally not need NTRP ratings. Rankings or past
    rankings will speak for themselves. The 6.0 player typically has had
    intensive training for national tournament competition at the junior
    level and collegiate levels and has obtained a sectional and or
    national ranking

    If I read this correct, Gwb would be more correct if he is talking about a Jr who is ranked Nationally or even in sectional.

    "I forgot, somebody asked what NTRP the #1 at my school is.
    I would argue high 5.5 low 6.0, he's nationally ranked around 200 in super champ 18's in Texas"
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    A Jr in the top 200 in the Nation could easily be:
    6.5 This player has a reasonable chance of succeeding at the professional
    7.0 level and has a reasonable satellite tournament experience.
     
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  12. 5263

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    I think I missed this post earlier. You are correct in what you believe,

    either way.
    Because you believe it is unattainable, you have made it so. Below is what I wanted to say to you until I went back and re-read your post and saw your current beliefs.

    NO Way that it is unattainable!
    The things that separate you from DI or DII are mostly in-between your ears.
    Belief, confidence, clear goals and intentions.
    I have no doubt you can get the form, and even the timing required if you work at it smartly with a plan.

    What I don't know is how hard you are willing to hang on.
    Hang on when it seems like it will never work. Hang on when the match seems over and in the bag. Hang on in practice when the other guys are with their girl. Hang on and rest so you will be ready to do your best tomorrow. Hang on when guys on here say it can't be done. Hang on and study your next opponent to find his weakness and shot tolerance.
    AND by hanging on, I mean hanging on with belief it can happen if you stick it out. No, it won't happen each and every time, but if you believe, it will happen more and more. You have to believe in what you are doing!

    from a sacred text:
    26. But the thought must be clear cut, steady, fixed, definite, unchangeable; you cannot take one step forward and two steps backward, neither can you spend twenty or thirty years of your life building up negative conditions as the result of negative thoughts, and then expect to see them all melt away as the result of fifteen or twenty minutes of right thinking.

    XIV, 2727. If you enter into the discipline necessary to bring about a radical change in your life, you must do so deliberately, after giving the matter careful thought and full consideration, and then you must allow nothing to interfere with your decision.
     
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    I full well understand what the USTA and NTRP charts define as a 6.0 player.

    What I don't understand, and am seeking to discover is what Namranger considers a 6.0.

    J
     
  14. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    We will see what happens. I still have a year and a half of training to do.

    By the way, Nick (our #1 is 200 in NATION (18's) , not section ) just to clarify
     
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    I know you do Jolly, but was supporting GWB's very reasonable claim that a HS player (especially from Texas) could be a 5.5 to weak 6.0.

    Not to be rude to Namranger, but it doesn't really matter much what he thinks of a 6.0 personally, although I understand your curiosity about it. Some people really like to elevate the status of stars to mythical levels. While stars may tie together some very tangible strengths in a formidable package, they are just flesh, blood and tons of practice for the most part.
     
  16. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    Blue Chips > Stars
     
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    dude your half volley drop shot was sick
     
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    No, we do not play out-of-district schools until January.
     
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    A 6.0 is REALLY damn good. We're talking about guys top 50 in the nation at the collegiate level. How many of those kind of guys are laying around? Not very many. A 6.0 is someone who is capable of playing ITF events, and WIN. I highly doubt GWB's friend is anywhere near that level, considering he is only top 200 in his own age group (18s).


    Most people don't even make it anywhere near 6.0. I think you guy's are a little too easy letting loose the high NTRP ratings here. Granted, he's not a bad player, I'm not saying that. But to say that he's a 6.0 is a little preposterous, considering most "real" 6.0's (upper level D1 players, ITF juniors who win, etc.) would probably wipe the floor with him in a matter of minutes.


    Anyways, the USTA NTRP is a little hazy on rating systems. It's too subjective. For instance, me, BB, and a few other people feel like to be a 6.0 in a strong tennis area (California, Texas, Florida, etc) you gotta be someone impressive, such as a D1 player ranked in the top 50 at least, or an ITF Junior with a fairly good ranking. Some people may be more loose with their definition of a 6.0 NTRP player, and that's their own opinion.


    I mean, come on now. TonLars is a real 6.0 player, and he can tell you that the competition at that level is absolutely fierce. No way in a high school junior is going to go out there and even come close to beating a real 6.0 player unless that high school junior is a prodigy (which do exist, not saying they don't). Most of those juniors have some sort of flaw in their game that a player like TonLars can abuse. It could be something very minuscule such as a slightly less consistent forehand, but once they find that small flaw, the 6.0 player will expose it and make it exponentially bigger.
     
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  22. fluffy Beaver

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    Just FYI too, GWB's friend is only a 3 star recruit on tennis-recruiting if that says anything. I don't think there are any 5.0 3 stars...
     
  23. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    I already said twice, he doesn't play USTA often. His ranking doesn't do his skill justice. Considering he plays a tournament every couple months or every so often, he has a damn good ranking. One day you will see him play and I doubt you will think anything less of 5.5 right off the bat. His court presence is immense for just a HS player.
     
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    Most of the 3 star recruits in Texas are around that 4.5 to 5.0 range. He may be in the upper range and may be fringing upon that 5.0 area. But how anyone got that he was a 6.0 is beyond me.
     
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    You're sorely mistaken. 5.5 junior players don't just fall out of trees GWB. If he was a 5.5, he wouldn't be playing USTA tournaments in the first place, he would be playing ITF Juniors right now. Because being a 5.5 or a 6.0 at 17/18 is on pace of what many would consider a professional tennis career (not a Federer esque one, but you could potentially break that top 1000).


    Very few 5.5 or 6.0 players exist in the nation GWB. You're telling me he's a 6.0 yet he can't win in the few USTA junior tournaments he plays in? Unless he's running into a top 10 junior every time, there's no reason for his ranking to be where it should be, if he's truly a 5.5 - 6.0 as you say.


    I mean, holy crap. I've been playing for years on end, and I've only gotten to a 4.5 level (sand baggers make me cry in USTA). You're telling me that your friend is on par with the top player's in the nation (outside of professional USA players)? Because a 5.5 or a 6.0 is pretty much the cream of the crop of the United States Amateur tennis.
     
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  26. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    His last loss is from August, lost to a kid 11x in nation
     
  27. NamRanger

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    I don't think you understand GWB. Your friend is not a 6.0, not even close. At the very best, I'll give you a 5.0, but that's REALLY pushing it (like...... really pushing it... BB would have a field day with me for saying that).



    As stated before, if he's a 5.5 according to you, he should be steamrolling his way through everyone he plays. Shouldn't even lose to a top 100 nationally ranked player. Do you want to know who a 6.0 really is?


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u6KLcZo3-4


    These are real 6.0s
     
  28. fluffy Beaver

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    Some more information for you to speculate Nam,

    He has played about 16 tournaments the year of 2008, and has only won 1 tournament out of the 16, with +50% of the other tournaments being losses in the 1st and 2nd round (he made only 1 other final and a few qrts).

    Also, many juniors that I found outstanding at a time (Blue chips and 5 stars according to their tennisrecruiting) ranked in the top 30 nationally for their ages (16's) entered tournaments that included college players. Most of the score lines were around 2,2 and these college players were not even top 200.

    So ya.... nationally ranked around 200 and being a 6.0?? Can't believe it.

    and of course that is his last loss, that is the last tournament he played. Any other matches after that appears to be high shcool.
     
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  29. 5263

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    Quote-
    "Some people may be more loose with their definition of a 6.0 NTRP player, and that's their own opinion."
    No, it's the USTA's guidelines.
    Don't sweat these guys GWB, for some the glass is always half empty and players better than them are mystical beast. The USTA is pretty clear that a National ranked or even sectional ranked Jr is 6.0, especially of section is Southerns, Texas, Cal, or FL.

    You stated earlier that this guy was 5.5 to LOW 6.0.
    This is very reasonable for you to state about a player that is 200 in the Nation without playing many events, even if you are off a just a bit. Most of the guys in the top 50 get there by playing a ton of events for points.

    Funny clip he included. I watched about 5 mins of it and only saw one winner, one 4 shot + rally and a host of UEs. Yes, they are 6.0s, but not too impressive in that vid.
     
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    You're the only funny one here. Those guys would wipe the floor with any of us here. There are a handful of guys on this board that could even take a game off these guys, let alone even taking multiple games. I think only TonLars and maybe 2-3 other players on this forum that I know of could would even have a chance of taking a set.



    You do realize I just posted a video of the USC team, which was extremely good that year. If you think they are 5.0s, no way in hell is GWB's friend a 5.5



    What kind of messed up logic is that? So a nationally ranked junior is a 6.0 but D1 level college players who are in the top 50 in the nation are only 5.0s?


    Daniel Gliner of USC

    HIGH SCHOOL: Gliner is a 2007 graduate of Hebrew Academy High School in San Francisco... Was a finalist for National Winter Championships in 2002... Took third place in National Clay Courts in 2002, third place in National Winter Championships in 2004, and reached the Round of 16 in Kalamazoo in 2007... Won the National Open in 2002... Was ranked 19 in USTA 16s... Voted School Comedian.



    I GUESS GWB'S FRIEND IS A 5.5 OR 6.0 WHILE DANIEL GLINER IS ONLY A 5.0


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S90P7hoKiv0&feature=related


    These guys are only 5.0s. It's ok man, Robert Farah is only one of the best doubles players in the NCAA, and Srugo isn't a freaking beast.

    Please, stop making yourself look more dumb.
     
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  31. fluffy Beaver

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    You just lost all credibility in knowledge of tennis ratings by your "Yes, they are 5.0's" statement.

    Anything you say in tennis tips should now be taken with a grain of salt...

    And Nam, just look at my post above 5263, I basically posted GWB's friend 2008 results which says everything.
     
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  33. Gee Willikers Batman!

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    You guys are over analyzing this. I never said he was a prodigy, I never said anything about him being super crazy good, the only thing I said that might have been "over doing it" was that he had a presence on the court that not a lot of players have. I also said he was a 5.5 to low 6.0, I might be wrong and probably am, but you don't need to sit here and try to degrade me like it's going to help you.
     
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    Guy obviously made a typo.

    Come on now.

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    Hey Fluffy,
    OMG! Do you mean I sooooo lost all my cred with that one? LoL.
    Guess that means I had some for a fleeting moment there.

    You got it Jolly, it was a typo. I meant to agree with Nam that they were 6.0, but missed by a key. Should have used a saccade and kept my head still for that key stroke. haha

    But it was a dumb one for sure and I should have caught it.
    Clearly an unacceptable UE, but I try to keep em low per session.
     
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    No, you need to learn and recognize player level skills, their strengths, weaknesses, etc.


    This is an important skill to learn to be able to play at a high level of tennis. Unless you are Marat Safin and can win purely on your ball striking capabilities, you need to at least learn to recognize who is good, who isn't, what they are good at, and what weaknesses they have.


    Also, it's fairly apparent you have absolutely 0 confidence in your abilities. The fact that you hype up others, when it is fairly obvious they are nowhere near that good, is a big sign that you don't believe in your own abilities. That is also another important factor in succeeding at competitive tennis. Confidence can take you up to a whole new level if you just believe.
     
  37. 5263

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    At least I would not base an entire post around an obvious typo.
    And as an Open level player, with a son that I coach, train and play against, who is playing Div I against some of the guys in the vid, puts me close enough to that action to understand what level these guys or at.
     
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    A lot of the USC guys in NamRanger's video clip had former or even current rankings on the ATP Computer. USC #1 Robert Farah, for instance, was ranked top 700 at the time he was starting to play for USC. NTRP considers guys like that who have recent ATP rankings to be 6.5.
     
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    I totally agree that those guys are 6-6.5. I tend to give guys the benefit of the doubt, but with USC there is no doubt. I've been consistent with that, but just had that silly typo. Which is what makes that whole 7 paragraph deal over it look ridiculous.

    It was funny though that in the clip he showed, most of the play was pretty sloppy. I do realize that most of the UEs were from Boise, very good players too, but under great pressure from USC players.
     
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    Priceless!!! :)
     
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    The singles player in the white shirt is really good (other guy is good too). What level would he be rated? I think the USTA rating is very subjective and is not always reliable. A Cali 6.0 is much better than say a Penna. player rated 6.0..yes? GWB teammate is ranked in the top 200's under 18 in the nation..yes? Then what rating should he be? a 5.0??? I have seen some great players in my time and they are in that 5.5 range and I doubt most of them were ranked top 200 in the USA...that is pretty good (I am guessing. don't know much about the junior ranking system).

    I don't see why people are argueing a rating of 5.5....did anyone see him play? if he is ranked top 200 then why can't he be a 5.5 (even a low 6)?

    I know a kid rated 5.5 in our confrence (this is what level he plays for USTA tourneys) and has won some titles, won Districts and has went at least into the 3rd round of States. He was NOT ranked anywhere near top 200 in the whole country. He was rated a 5.5...so why you guys are argueing is pointless.
     
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    Good video for sure, but you have to admit, anyone can look pretty good with an edit job like that. I didn't see even one point in the vid where Stanford won the point. At least we know USC won the match though.
     
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    Exactly......
     
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    if ur ranked # 28 or senoir year national wat kinda of rating would he be???
     
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  47. NamRanger

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    So you're saying GWB's friend is good as TonLars? Ok. That's funny.


    I live in Texas, and I watch these juniors on a regular basis. You can't compare them accurately to competitive tennis as a whole, as most of them play very one dimensional. It essentially boils down to who executes better. When they run into an elderly former pro (which would equate to around a 6.0), then they get creamed. Half of them aren't 6.0s anyways. They have too many holes in their game. Fitness and lack of strategy are the two primary reasons why they aren't 6.0s.


    6.0 players are top level guys. They play open level tournaments if not higher. No way is a 200 ranked junior in the U.S. even anywhere close to a 6.0. A ITF junior who is competitive is around a 6.0 (roughly, sometimes better). I highly doubt many of our junior players would be able to survive against the better ITF juniors.
     
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    Which video, the USC vs Stanford video? Some of them are a little bit better than me yeah, although im right with them. I played the Stanford #1 Alex Clayton this last summer and lost about 6-3 6-3. Youre right that GWB's friend might be a 5.5 but there is almost no way a player of that age and ranking is a 6.0. Its most likely he is in the 5.0-5.5 range
     
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    ^^^ Ya, it is just different sets of standards.

    The USTA considers any starting player on a DI team ranked in the top 75 schools to be a 6.0 player. Which would equate to 450 or so DI players.

    While Namranger considers only the top 50 DI players to be 6.0, and paints the other 400, and everyone under them in the 5.0-5.5 range.

    Which is what causes the confusion.

    If Nam had stated his own ratings scale at the beginning, then this wouldn't be an issue.

    J
     
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    Your STILL arguing? It is MY FAULT I thought he is a 5.5, I don't see why you would doubt a 200 ranked in NATION couldn't be a 5.5, but oh well.
     

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