Has anyone ever won a tournament without double faulting?

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  1. papertank

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    Looking at AO stats today, I saw Murray has only hit one double fault the entire tournament and I thought that was pretty impressive. It got me thinking, has anyone in history ever won a tournament without double faulting?
     
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    Wait what? I dont get your first sentence...
     
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    Murray has only double faulted once in the entire tournament so far. I'm wondering if anyone has won a tournament without double faulting.
     
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    Not sure, but I bet there are at least couple out there. Mats Wilander comes to mind, a very good player that got the first serve in all the time to start the point. Very few opportunities for double faults to crop up.
     
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    ask mustard he should know
     
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    Roger the GOAT did it in Halle not sure what year though.. he didn't double faulted the entire tournament
     
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    Hingis did it, at the USO of all places I believe. She was awesome!
     
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    Don't know about the DF question but I do recall seeing an Agassi match back in the 90s where he did not even "single fault" on his serve. He had just come back from a wrist injury and was taking it a bit easy on his serves. Fairly certain, but not absolutely sure, that he hit 100% of his serves in and still won the match.
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if Edberg did it.
     
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    So Murray has only 2 doubles through 6 matches.

    does anyone know how that compares with other slam finalists/winners over the years?

    ATP only started keeping serve stats in '91, not sure I've seen a major winner serve so few doubles since then, maybe Agassi?

    Tennis had limited tv coverage(and limited statisticians) in the 80s so I really have no idea about Borg, Wilander, etc(only saw semis & finals for many of their wins)

    and Murray has 71 aces. what a great ratio.
     
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  11. Moose Malloy

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    Murray finishes with 7 df's in 7 matches.

    Nadal won '08 French with 5 df's(can't seem to find one lower than that in a major in recent years)
     
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    Better question: highest ace/double fault differential in a grand slam?
     
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    0 double faults in a whole tournament is not something necessarily good.

    For example, I don't expect Goran having 0 DF in a tournament, because his second serve was so potent, with such spin and well placed that it is impossible for him to not DF many times in a whole tournament.

    On the other hand, his super-aggresive second serve gave him totally the command of the points (if not the point directly because of it being an unreturned second serve), so it was a good strategy for him even if he double-faulted 10 times per match or so on average.
     
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    Didn't Ivanisevic hit over 200 aces in 2001 Wimbledon? He probably hit a lot of DF's as well (that final game :)), but his differential should still be very good.

    Edit: 212 aces and 58 DF's = 154 (I did a quick count, so I could've made a mistake)

    I doubt anyone beats that. In fact, I'm not even sure anyone else hit over 154 aces in 1 tournament.
     
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  16. vive le beau jeu !

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    it's not a slam but i've got roddick with 70 aces and 1 DF when winning lyon in 2005... now beat me that ! ;)
     
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  17. Moose Malloy

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    ^nice. do you have any info on any of his deep runs in slams?
     
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    He had only 2 in 6 matches, then, suddenly, he had 5 in the finals....clutch! The first 2, I remember, were at 40-0, and of no consequences. The ones after that, well, that was a different story....
     
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    Davydenko.....he just push the ball in just to start the rally. Recent years his serve has improved to 130 mph.....before it was a crap.
     
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  20. vive le beau jeu !

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    i didn't find anything comparable in his slam runs...

    but i also found a 106-2 (ace-DF) record for karlovic when winning stockholm in 2007... in only 4 matches !
    (roddick played 5 matches when winning lyon 2005)
    ... 34-0 and 30-0 in 1st two matches ! ;)
     
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    Just out of curiosity, does anyone know Roddicks for the 2003 US Open or even Wimbledon 2009 ( which I know he did not win)?

    I doubt he even comes close to Goran but with his 1st serve it would be interesting to see how close or far apart they are.
     
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    I know it is great to go through a tournament without double faulting like what Hingis apparently did at the US Open. However the mention of Hingis and her very weak second serve makes me wonder if that's really that important. I wonder what the percentage of second serve points she won against top players.

    What would be a more interesting and more important stat would be the highest percentage of first and second serve points won. You can risk some doubles (like Sampras) if your second serve is strong overall.

    Anyone here keep track of the highest percentage of service points won in a tournament? I know Krosero keeps track of consecutive serve points won.
     
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