Has anyone on the board learned to hit 130mph serves?

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  1. LeeD

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    We could all improve our service speeds, at least, until we reach an age where declining physical skills overcome increased ability and equipment.
     
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    uhm no, at least 107.25....duh ;)
     
  5. Devilito

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    last one you hit down the middle looked nice regardless of the speed
     
  6. LeeD

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    Nice vids, SuperDuy.
    I'm impressed, will definetely agree our serves are pretty close.
    Now add... what temperature was that day, obviously abrasive non skidding courts, what kind of balls?
     
  7. tennisnoob3

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    lol...hes slicing it. i agree its not 130.
     
  8. tennisnoob3

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    can you hit towards the camera next time? lol its kinda hard to see
     
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    105 to 110mph.
     
  10. Andre D

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    I doubt thats 110-115mph, my serves go as fast as that and I think they are like 90mph tops
     
  11. LeeD

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    But I'll have to inject.... RoddickAce's serves are looking to be tops so far.
     
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    if i remember correctly, you posted yourself serving a while back. You've shown a lot of improvement - good job! Your motion is much less spastic than before.

    One area that you could definitely work on is developing a more flexed angle in the elbow joint during windup. You're not exactly straight arming the serve, but you could definitely use a more acute angle between forearm and upper arm.
     
  13. LeeD

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    Yeah, difference in baseball between a pitcher's throw, a catcher's throw, a SS throw, and an oufielder's throw.
    SuperDuy is an outfielder.
    I'm more a shortstop.
     
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    Yah, in this video you attempt to footfault and you succeed.
     
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    Hi yes you probably do remember, the motion was terrible

    anyway..

    heres one I found of me slice serves in sept 2010 , had a knee injury then(im sure you can see why) temp 50 degrees, last serve in vid was a killer.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8rptgbA61g


    Heres from april 2010.. I made big changes in spring time

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3wl3mV0FtY


    LeeD: The temp outside in the vid I posted was around 70, used Wilson US Open extra duty new. And mindju since the vid was taken I am 25 lbs heavier so currently serve is more,
     
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    Thanks (I love math). You are very true about this statement-short people get low speed. I guess that's why some famous tennis players are over six foot.

    With your Professional knowledge, Does NSRP have a relationship with speed or height? Thanks.

    For instances,
    1. 5.0 level player is about 6.2 Height?
    2. 5.5 level player has a speed of 130 mph?
     
  17. tennisnoob3

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    nah, you missed space diver's. you cant see anything in roddickace's
     
  18. LeeD

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    Good on ya for noting....
    You still have a few, maybe a dozen mph left in your tank. You're hitting with spin still, and dead flat would get half that.
    Maybe a little jerky on the windup works for you, but do you do that on groundies and overheads? Smooth seems to be in the trait of every fast server.
    You have good arm speed and snap, but I wonder if slowing down your motion and setting would give you more precision, so you could go for more big serves???
     
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    They don't go for it.

    On Topic: You have to have a loose arm, and a good ball toss. Many former 5.5s and 1 6.0 have said my serve is around 115.
     
  20. LeeD

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    Seems there's a perception difference in a few of us.
    When I mean my top service speed, it means the fastest SINGLE serve I can hit when I'm going all out for pure MPH flat serves.
    Lots of you guys tend to say ...so and so only averages 91mph on his first serve attempts".... which is not anything like what the server can do if he wants to hit only his fastest serves....
    You know the difference, so embrace it.
    First serve AVERAGE speed is not first serve tops speeds!
    Heck, I often throw in a 65 mph wide slice that barely bounces thigh high just for that guy who can return my normal higher bouncing, faster top/slices, and often, the returns get netted.
     
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    Touché!:)
    Guess you saw the guys video? 3 of the first 5 forehands didnt clear the net LOL.
    Either the dude is a master troll or in need of some serious medication:shock:.
    Hes even taking bets on his futures adventure:)
     
  22. kiteboard

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    Hey, it takes guts to post a vid. Thanks for the guys that did! I appreciate the honesty. Lots of naysayers/cut down artists on here, who don't post their own serves.
     
  23. DownTheLine

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    I'll post one tomorrow.
     
  24. LeeD

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    As a matter of fact, I've been trying to look at YOUR serves on vid.......
    Basically, we should get together and post vids of us serving to each other!
    But of course, it's gonna rain for the next 4 days, as usual.
     
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    During the Federer/Wawrinka singles and later doubles match last Friday at IW, Federer hit several 75-80mph first serves kicking wide to the add court (one was 73mph). Good example of why it's funny when people debunk serve speed threads by posting average first serve speed from pro matches.

    So far as I can remember, he won every one of those serve points also.
     
  26. Jonny S&V

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    I'm gonna try and get a new vid up tomorrow, shoulder willing. We'll see what you think of my (newish) Safin-esque motion sped-up to my optimal toss height. ;-)
     
  27. kiteboard

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    Good point, but only a few people in the world can hit 130+, and most of those are making money doing it! Who else on here can do it?
     
  28. LeeD

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    Candidates, not in any order...
    GraniteChief
    TennisBalla
    TonLars is closing in
    Any other candidates?
     
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    180mph serve using a wood jack kramer prostaff. Old school style. Keeping
    left foot on the ground the entire time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhjrQOTmNc8

    Send $99.99 to my paypal account to learn the secrets to a 180mph serve.
     
  30. LeeD

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    That's more like 180 inches per hour.
     
  31. kiteboard

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    Fake sped up vids are not cool! Shame comes down on liars.
     
  32. anontennis

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    I think that's an overstatement. 130 takes a lot, but it is not out of reach. I would guess a handful of players on this board could crank it up there on demand, and even more if given a short while to prepare.
     
  33. LeeD

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    I gave you THREE examples of possibles. Can you think of anyone else?
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4VebhSZdlk
    edit:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xst-bOdLoMI (This was taken from the same day as the video in my older post, but I positioned my camera poorly, so it doesnt really show my service motion)

    Ok, so I dug up another video of me serving and uploaded it to youtube. This time, it's from the back angle.

    It does seem to hit the backwall at waist-chest level (of someone who is 5'10-6' or so), but there is some topspin-slice. (the ball in the second serve in the video rolled back to the net but seems so slow!)

    Again, my estimate is that my first serve averages around 90-105 mph while my fastest serves, sacrificing consistency would be around 110mph.

    It would be great if the faster servers can share any tips to up my serve speed, thanks (one thing I've changed since then is making my left arm more vertical).
     
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    I'm 5'10" ish as well, and the main thing that I focus when really going for the flat serve (typically into the body) is getting as much of my weight as possible moving up and into the court. I have a pretty live arm, and my balance is good, so I don't have to worry much about anything but the toss, and when I toss the ball further into the court, it forces me to really put my weight into the serve.

    I suppose I should put a (older) vid up before I post my new video tomorrow (gonna be windy tho...):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIB-cYkjGQQ
     
  36. LeeD

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    Right off the bat, you can add some 10 by using high elbow high hand finish just after the ball strike. It's the whip effect that gives you the final mph. Also, like SuperDuy, you guys have a tendency to add some top/slice spin on even your "flat" serves, which would add another 5 or so.
    That high elbow, high hand finish is NOT natural, but is something you have to consciously add after you get the basic motion and swingspeed....which you and SuperDuy has.
     
  37. RoddickAce

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    Yeah the biggest difference does seem to be the weight transfer. I think I'm not timing my "leg-launch" and swing together correctly.

    That's interesting, definitely going to try this out. Is this a way to subconsciously promote better pronation on serve?

    edit: One other thing, I try to stay loose when serving, but it seems that most big servers have a very stable, strong body position & arm but somehow still serve loosely? Anyone have insight on this?
     
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    I think of pronation as the twisting by the shoulder of the forearm to change the angle of the racketface to square into the ball.
    This high elbow finish thing is more in line with what I preach as the "whip" motion.....the hand NOT too fast, but allowing the rackethead to come thru and accelerate past the arm and hand to unheard of speeds, with little effort on the part of the server, instead, tis all technique.
    Of course, the hand has to reach a certain MPH, like maybe 80 or so, which starts the racket on it's way, then the hand slows down to allow the whip effect to happen.
    You see the pics of Sampras, Roddick, all the fast servers, a millisecond after impact, their elbow and hand above their head, their racket has already accelerated to pointing straight down at the ground.
     
  39. RoddickAce

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    Thanks LeeD, I think you hit a nail on the head about this. I'm practicing some swings at home and this high elbow finish does seem to allow for more power with less effort.
     
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    I'd say, let's get together and film our serves and you tube it, LeeD. Berk. rose gardens. I have a sanyo hd camera.
     
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    so did we decide that you have to be Tall to own a big serve or able to hit 130+ mph ? what does tall mean really ?
     
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    Hey Geoff...
    Good stuff, we'll do it! Maybe wait for some non rainy days, which should occur by early next week. How's your elbow doing? I hope it's better than my left ankle.
    I still remember you really twisting into your serves (preload at prep position), so possibly your serves always get a certain amount of spin, even when you hit flat.
    I remember Josh being able to hit some fast rightie serves, but against us, never went in even close. Then he'd hit some seemingly fast lefty serves, again not close to IN. So he just spins them in with good spin, but not much pace.
     
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    Tall doesn't mean you hit faster, but you should try to be nearly 5'10 at a minimum so you get the angle to get a fair percentage IN.
    Think baseball. The fastest pitcher's can be tall, but PedroMartinez and TimLincicum disprove you HAVE to be taller than 5'10" to get the arm speed.
    But for PERCENTAGE, taller and having coordination is still the best. Not purely tall, as there are tall geeks who can't throw or catch.....or hit low volleys.
     
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    Kei Nishikorie is 5'11" and tommy robredo is 5'10". why can't they hit 130 mph ?
     
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    How do you know they can't? Did you see their results in a fast serve contest? Or do you just read their AVERAGE speeds in tournaments, or their fastest serves in tournaments?
    Consider what I said before on other threads. If you don't have a blazing pure winner serve, usually well over 130, it's oftentimes smarter to spin it in around 115 and get an awkward return.
    Blasting 115 flats EVEN AT MY LEVEL, does me absolutely no good, unless I set it up with plenty of wide spins and high kickers.
    I've often bragged I have the loudest and fastest serves around, but at 115 or so, most everyone who's played against me just blocks it back fast and low, something I have trouble volleying. Now I'm not talking about a 3.5 tournament player here, I'm talking about my peers in tennis. Most tournament 3.5's around here are amazed by decent spin and pace.
     
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    I thought 130 mph serve is a prerequisite to join the TW forum??
     
  47. LeeD

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    I thought I posted that of all of us, only GraniteChief, TennisBalla, and TonLars can get close IF they work on their serves lots. I'd consider LawMan, who hasn't posted in years, and the Buff bros, but they need technique work for a while still.
    Can you name any other's? Consider...Kiteboard is 6' tall and a superstrong and agile 220 lbs. He only claims lower teens, and he's been a solid 4.5 who can play open tourneys for over 15 years.
    There are a few guys who claim 5.5 on here, but they don't post often and don't brag about their service speeds.
     
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    leed, it might have been the camera angle, but those balls were probably 4 feet off the ground once they hit the back fence, and they were still climbing. they also were the cheap fairly dead wilson balls, on a night that was probably around 50 degrees.. that was in october.

    rick, those balls did have a slight slice on all of them, but now i can actually flatten the balls out. my grip is conti but maybe has a slight taste to either the bh or fh eastern side.

    edit: those serves shown were NOT the 110 mph serves. they were just a sample.
     
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  49. Totai

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    I'd be surprised if I can hit above 80mph
     
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    I was on a job in Berkeley, next to the bart station on Sacramento, and there are four lanes of traffic, and a grass median there. I was on a PG&E main change, and the service entrance drop crossed all four lanes and strip. During the job, the point of attachment came loose, and to stop the live pge wires from dropping across all lanes, I barely snatched it with my left hand, while up on a tall ladder, and the weight, about 300lbs, of wire, high in the air, yanked my ladder to my left very fast! I grabbed a sill with my right hand, and was stuck. I could not pull the wire towards me, it was too heavy. I could not let it go, as the cars would have run it down. It sparked in my face as I glued myself to the side of the building, balancing on the teetering ladder, extended up to the roof eave line. (Two story house.)My helper raced up a tree next to me, and could not reach the wire. He was holding onto the ladder which was now on the edge of the front of the house. We were stuck. I said to him, "Get a battery drill, put a hex head driver in it, and a magnetic bit, and put a lag bolt on the head and give it to me." He raced down the tree and got the drill while I held on. He popped back up and I said, "Hold the ladder so I don't fall off." He took the weight off my right hand, and drove the lag home with that hand while holding onto the wire with my left, (lag fell out 3 x, and he had to race down the tree, come back up, remount it and replace it each time), and was able to pull it back towards me to lag down the bare neutral. My left elbow was shot for a year after that, but no one else got hurt. It wiped me out so bad, I could barely work from then on.
     
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