Has Murray overachieved?

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Has Murray Overachieved?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. He's where he should be.

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  1. Anaconda

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    2 slam runners up, 4 MS titles, world number 4.......

    - He serves around 30%
    - Rarely comes to the net
    - Rarely plays aggressive, doesn't play low % shots, or take risks
    - Adequate mental game
    - Ok forehand
    - Backhand is good, however he rarely plays aggressive
    - Has no big weapons



    The only thing that is great about his game is his return, yet there are better returners like Ferrer and Nalbandian. He's had, and will have a better career than most guys with more game, Safin, for example.
     
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  2. batz

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    Murray is just a pusher.
     
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    In terms of how he plays, I think he overachieved. In terms of how he can play, I think he underachieved.
     
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    -first serve percentage is 54%(go to the ATP website) and he wins 77% on first serve

    -he tends to come to the net on break points

    -correction:backhand is great

    -probably best returner in the game,one of the best backhands,amazing defensive skills, next to Nadal best passing shots
     
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  5. Matt H.

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    i'm wondering if the latest batch of racquet/string technology eliminated Murray.

    Technology allowed the movers/retrievers/counter punchers/pushers/etc. to compete and take out the power hitters.

    it now seems like despite the slower courts, the power hitters are making a comeback.
     
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  6. batz

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    He's been world number 2 and has never served @ 30% in a match.


    When someone gets so many things factually incorrect, their credibility really takes a pounding. Can you hear that whistling noise? That's your credibility singing in the wind - stretched as it is to breaking point.
     
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  7. batz

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    Are these the racquets and strings that only came out since the AO? Because I'm having trouble getting my head round how the guy who won more titles than anybody last year and made final of the 1st slam this year can be described as having been 'eliminated'.
     
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  8. Feña14

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    He reached number 2, not 4 :)

    But no, I don't think he's overachieved. A well played point by Murray is the most satisfying thing to see on the ATP imo.
     
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  9. ramseszerg

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    Wow, what a retarded thread.
     
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  10. viduka0101

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    also, what's the meaning of: "Rarely plays aggressive, doesn't play low % shots, or take risks"
    what should that indicate, not everyone can or wants to play ala Soderling

    plus you won't say things like:
    -has the ability to force an opponent into an error, mixes his shots very well, trows opponent off balance and etc
    why is that?
     
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  11. davey25

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    Murray is actually better than Federer at most aspects of the game:

    Serve- Federer overall, but Murray has more powerful first serve
    Return of Serve- Murray clearly
    Forehand- Federer
    Backhand- Murray
    Net game- Murray's volleys are actually better than Federer
    Movement- Murray
    Overall defense- Murray
    Passing shots- Murray
     
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  12. Breaker

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    This is new.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=280925

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. viduka0101

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  14. zagor

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    Best answer by far,the thread should have ended with this post.
     
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    He can achieve more...and I hope he can reach more major finals and recieve more beatings from other players.!
     
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  16. tudwell

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    No way is Murray's net game better than Federer's. You are also very selective in your breakdown of the game. You have "overall defense" but no "overall offense," which would clearly go to Federer, or slice (Federer) or mental game (Federer) or fitness (Federer) or intangibles (Federer) or day-to-day consistency (Federer), etc.
     
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    Breaker, this is hilarious.

    I had no idea that julesb was davey25. With this addition, davey25 now has 16 usernames, thereby equalling Federer's record of 16 Slams. I've got to update my daveyfile. :)

    Even funnier, julesb was a great fan of Monica Seles and called her the greatest tennis player in history. He also wrote that Graf should have been banned from tennis for tax evasion. Now, davey25 is busy convincing the newbies that Graf is the greatest tennis player in history, and all of them agree with him and continue to engage him in conversation. It is comical.

    The current number is 16 and counting :) . The mods have been alert though. They have banned most of his sockpuppets. Of course, if you point this out, he will say that you are "stalking" him.
     
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  19. Breaker

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    The real question is who had more usernames, The Pusher Terminator or davey25? Or perhaps they're the same also which would increase the number to 30+!
     
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  20. TMF

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    davey25 has so many IDs even he himself couldn't keep track all of them. There were time he even argue to himself without realizing that it was his own post.
     
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  21. Xenakis

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    What's wrong with the term in bold Anaconda? You seem quite keen to rubbish people, you should at least be able to write a grammatically correct sentence, especially as you are still in school.

    Quite what you get out of threads like this is beyond me. Why all the negativity?
     
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  22. raiden031

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    rubbish is not a verb.
     
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  23. Xenakis

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    Of course it is, not only are you ignorant of this fact you couldn't even be bothered to look it up and are still prepared to try and 'correct' someone over it. Epic fail.

    Verb

    Infinitive
    to rubbish (third-person singular simple present rubbishes, present participle rubbishing, simple past and past participle rubbished)

    1. To denounce, to criticise.


    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rubbish
     
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  24. raiden031

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    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rubbish
     
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  27. Anaconda

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    That bored are you?
     
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  28. Xenakis

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    Have you been all over the US? I've heard Americans use it, and it's included in the Meriam-Webster dictionary (the main US dictionary, post Noah Webster).

    http://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/rubbish[2]

    Secondly, the English have the last word on matters such as these. It's our language. If you were French Canadian would you argue with French sources about the grammatical status of a word and consider it, fatuously, to be 'stalemate' if you disagreed? I don't think so.
     
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  29. Xenakis

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    Answer the question. And regarding boredom, who spent much longer starting this pointless and negative thread?

    Grammar is much more important than whether some school kid thinks Andy Murray has 'overachieved' (a nonsense argument of course, a player achieves what they achieve, no way to claim otherwise without resorting to idle speculation and the reading of tea leaves. Similarly, claiming that Sinatra or any other musician is the 'best in the world' is absurd. Category error fail).
     
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  30. raiden031

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    Obviously.
     
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  31. Xenakis

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    As if that consitutes a argument about rubbish not being a verb. An amusingly ineffectual retreat, no surprise really given how it began. Oh and nor is it 'obvious' that I'm bored, far from it, if that were true you'd be able to provide proof, which you cannot.

    You're not doing very well here guys.
     
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  32. Anaconda

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    Ok, i will make a thread on how 0 slam wonders Murray and Nalbandian are legends of tennis. LOL. Excuse my negativity.
     
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  33. raiden031

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    You want me to prove that you are bored?
     
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  34. Xenakis

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    That would inaccurate too. No tennis player alive today is a 'legend' (look up what the word means).

    Whether or not Murray has 'overachieved' is entirely subjective, this should be obvious (same goes for 'greatest' musicians and the like). The difference between objectivity and subjectivity, fact and opinion has seemingly passed you by Anaconda. Apparently you're not learning philosophy or critical thinking at school which is a shame (or perhaps you are and you're just looking out of the window instead of listening).

    No excuse not to study it now it's been pointed out to you though. At least that would spare us threads like this in the future.
     
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  35. Xenakis

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    Not particularly, I just require accuracy where possible when involved in a discussion, not much to ask really. If you advance an argument or use a term which you cannot substantiate, it will be pointed out, is this unfair?
     
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  36. Anaconda

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    Nice one. Now go back to your cave. LOL.
     
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  37. Xenakis

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    A typo does not alter the argument, to which you have failed to attend. The fact remains, the premise that a tennis player can 'overachieve' is ridiculous, if you think pointing out a typo here and there alters that fact then you're are stupid as this thread makes you appear to be.
     
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  38. Anaconda

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    I believe you mean 'typing error' instead of 'typo'. You started this argument correcting me on one error. You are nothing but a small minded hypocrite. I just want to discuss something who doesn't try to rip someone for a spelling mistake and make one themselves. Is that not reasonable?
     
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  39. Xenakis

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    Ok I'm starting to lose patience with correcting myself when to any reasonable observer it isn't required. Do you know what an abbreviation is?

    Look it up, then think about the the first sentence of your last post.

    Secondly, when in this thread have I tried to 'rip' someone for a spelling mistake? Be specific.

    Thirdly, and most importantly, attend to the argument I put forward (personally I don't think you're capable of it based on the evidence presented so far, but you have the right to reply, let's hear it).
     
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  40. viduka0101

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    I probably shouldn't get involved in this but...:neutral:

    no you didn't, you got more than enough responses(including two from me) but you didn't answer any of them(I suspect that's because most of them weren't to your liking)
    and this isn't arguing:

    this is just a perfect example of someone that can't take critique well so he resorts to irrational arguments and insults
    plus you keep avoiding the subject of the thread you started:-?
    and I'm not sure why Xenakis keeps responding to your gibberish, he should have realized already that it's futile
     
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    i think you forgot what really matters, and ill let you fill them in.

    tournaments won:

    federer-
    murray-

    Masters won:

    federer-
    murray-

    Slams won:

    federer-
    murray-
     
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  42. rocket

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    at the last AO, Murray was beaten in every department. couldn't even win a set.
     
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    Point. Set. Thread.

    Rocket
     
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  44. Blinkism

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    Murray was promised to win Wimbledon last year so I'd say he's a big underachiever.

    But it's ok, he WILL win Wimbledon this year!
     
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    Hello Jinxer
     
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    lol I can imagine that lol.
     
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    Blinky's new image:

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  48. Xenakis

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    This was actually a mistake, I have no counter argument.
     
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    Yes, and it gets even funnier...he reply to someone’s post but log on with a WRONG username. Then he edited the post to avoid getting caught!
     
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  50. kraggy

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    I'm no Murray fan but any player capable of handing back to back defeats to Federer, Nadal and Djokovic AND who hasn't yet won a slam has definitely underachieved.
     
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