Has Nadal's career been ruined by injuries yet?

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  1. Tammo

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    NOTE: This is NOT a Nadal bashing thread.

    Clearly Nadal's career is not as bad (injury wise) as players like Haas, Nalbandian, Hewitt etc. But overall he has probably been out of the game for 1 to 1 1/2 years. So does he need to stay out of the game longer in order for his career to become marred?
     
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  2. Steve0904

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    His career has not been ruined by injury if he can come back and play well after this one.
     
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    Maybe, but he earned it. He paid the price for his success. Haas, Hewitt and Nalbandian on the other hand were just unlucky. Just for the record, Becker deserved injuries too for all the jumping around like a fool he did.
     
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  4. Agassifan

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    I don't think injuries have robbed him of any slams, but they've definitely hurt his ranking points.
     
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  5. Gonzo_style

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    RG 2009? After that Nadal didn't play two months.
     
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  6. Ms Nadal

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    Rafa doesn't want to play anymore, simple. He is enjoying life away from the court. I wish he would just admit that he won't be back and announce retirement. He is still not practising or doing anything tennis related. It s just parties and poker. I no longer believe that Rafa will ever hit a tennis ball again. Time for him to come clean that he has left tennis and so that his fans can just get on with things. Rafa was a slave to tennis from an early age and now he is rebelling, doing what he wants without being told by Uncle Toni. Enjoy your life Rafa and just admit that you are done with tennis so that his fans can get on with their lives and decide which player they will support from now on. Sick of all this crap that he is coming back, will practice in 10 days etc! Pure fiction! Don't know what the big deal is!
     
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    Right now, no. Only if he doesn't come back in top form from this one.
     
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  9. Ms Nadal

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    Yes, I return now and again. No big deal.
     
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    Thanks for quoting my famous speech. I am proud of it :)
     
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    Back to thread matter now. I have just stated my thoughts about the whole Rafa saga. I am tired of it. I would rather we just get the truth about Rafa leaving the game instead of all this nonsense and re-hash every week. No return in sight and no practise! Doesn't fill me with any hope at all. Rafa is so not coming back. I used to pray that he would return but it seems not. I never knew that Rafa hated being a tennis player like this!To quit at 26! Wow
     
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    I agree with you somewhat. I too think he's not coming back,and that he should stop stringing us along and just come out with it. The incompetence from his team is mind blowing.


    I also think he is enjoying life without tennis. He partied it up last night at the JCF retirement party so much that he got so sloshed he had to be helped back to the hotel by Pico and Feli. Lol. Sounds like he's having a good time to me.
     
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  13. Ms Nadal

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    Exactly Clarky. Glad you agree with me. Rafa should be honest to his fans! Just make announcement! The sooner the better. He is a right party animal, enjoying life to the full. Rafa is just another footballer.
     
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    Link or it didn't happen.
     
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  15. Ms Nadal

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    It is all over someone's twitter account on another Rafa thread in this forum. Rafa has really gone off the rails. Good riddance to Rafa is what I say. No class at all.
     
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  17. Ms Nadal

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    See link in the Nadal news thread. Another teenage prodigy gone off the rails. Rafa is the latest. Time for him to say he is done with tennis.
     
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    Its already been ruined in a sense. If you think of how injury derailed him throughout his career, (Most notably what should have been his peak year 2009) and currently with his injury situation. .. He should have the slam record or close to it.

    Hes an all time great career now (Top 10 or so all time), but take all those injuries into account, he should have a GOAT-like career
     
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    It's a difficult one to call. Obviously only Rafa himself can tell us what's really going on.

    It does seem to me that the longer you stay away from the tour, the harder it is to come back to it. You start to pursue other interests that you have had to neglect or suppress while playing. You get used to the novelty of pursuing them and being free at last of the pressures of the tour. You start to enjoy this more relaxed lifestyle so much that you begin to push back the date for your return whether justified or not. For a guy like Rafa, who has pretty much accomplished nearly everything worth accomplishing in tennis and has made more money than he will ever be able to spend, there is especially no urgent incentive to have to get back to work as there would be for a lower-ranked player who needs to start earning again.

    I'm thinking of a guy like Soderling as well. He's been away from the tour now for 15 months. He sends the occasional tweet to his fans, saying he's started practicing again but has set no firm date for a return to the tour. You get the impression he's doing it mainly to keep his fans happy. In the meantime, he's enjoying new-found fatherhood with his fiancée and baby daughter, spending some of his own considerable wealth and just enjoying life away from the pressures of the tour. Nadal too tweets that he's started practicing again but also sets no firm date for a return. He too is enjoying life otherwise. Maybe he too is just saying these things to keep the fans happy and hopeful for his eventual return.

    For what it's worth, I do think Nadal will make a re-appearance in the New Year at some stage. When and where is open to question. He may only want to play a much more limited schedule than in the past. Maybe only at clay events. Who knows? Who knows what form he will be in if and when he returns?

    But the longer he stays away, I think it will be more difficult for him to regain his former dominance or even his place at the top and if he's not capable of doing those things, then there's no point to coming back at all.
     
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    He has never Tweeted that he is practicing again. He has not practiced at all in nearly 3 months.
     
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  21. Ms Nadal

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    I agree with your points Mainad. Rafa should just get the announcement over and done with. If his fans have any sense they know he has gone. He should just say it and be free of everything and do all that he has missed out on in life etc and all the teenage years he lost. Those fb updates are nonsense.
     
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  22. Ms Nadal

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    I want Rafa to put on fb 'I have Retired'. Then all this crap will be over. Very simple Rafa. As Nike says 'Just Do it'!.
     
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    As I said, I think he will re-appear at some point in the New Year, probably at the AO. I don't think he's ready to write off his career just yet. He still wants to keep all options open. It's mainly that he is enjoying his extended leave of absence from the pressures of the tour so I think there are certain psychological issues going hand in hand with the genuine physical problems.
     
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    Okay. I thought he said at one point that he had started hitting again and that his knee felt much better but was still not quite 100%. If I am mistaken, I apologise.
     
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  25. Mike Sams

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    Nadal never had the talent to get the Slam record. It was never there for him to take. He had momentum runs but everybody saw he was not as efficient on grass and hardcourts as he was on clay. 5 Masters titles off clay proves his limitations and it had nothing to do with injury. He was simply outclassed by superior hardcourt players.
    Nadal has only 4 non-clay Grand Slam titles. How many non-clay Slams did Sampras have? How many non-clay Slams did Federer have? It's all we need to know. Nadal was limited off clay.
     
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    You also fail to realize just how murderous Nadal's matches were. His matches in 2009 were SO violently difficult. It took so much out of him. Remember the epic war with Verdasco? Followed by the taxing battle with Federer? The 4 hour madrid war with Djokovic? Nobody in the history of this sport can play matches like that season after season. It will simply break you. Nadal was broken and it took him 1 whole year to finally win a title...and it happened to be on clay. No surprise there.
     
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    Nadal had a great career. His fans should be thankful that he completed the career Slam and has a gold medal. It's the perfect career. The competition though today has risen to new heights.
     
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  28. Gonzo_style

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    Why are you obsessed with Nadal and his results off clay? Yes, Federer and Sampras have more titles on HC, and what Nadal needs to do, hang himself for that?
     
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    Yes, sure. But I never wanted it to end like this! Rafa has just walked away without a word and all these lies. He really thinks people are stupid.
     
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    It's a Michael Jordan type break from the game.
     
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    But he has many more non-clay Slams (4) than Federer has clay Slams (1) and more or less the same number of hardcourt Masters (5) as Federer has clay Masters (6). So yes, he is limited off clay but, in this case, 'limited' is a relative term, isn't it? He has still won each of the 2 hardcourt Slams and the grass Slam (Wimbledon) twice! So he is less limited on non-clay surfaces than Federer is on clay!
     
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    He has had a great career. He is in the all-time greats list even if he never plays again.
     
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  33. Ms Nadal

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    It doesn't matter about the surfaces to me. it is all about the titles. I am very proud of what Rafa has won and when he wins a title it makes me happy. It has all ended now. Rafa has quenched his thirst with titles. He is bored with winning titles and tennis. It ended very prematurely. The Federer fans are the lucky ones. He is still around and he has given his fans so much joy over the years and he loves playing and his fans have a wonderful champion to cherish. I envy them. Roger stays away from injuries and has good mental and physical powers.
     
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    Are you serious or this is some kind of joke?
     
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    I agree that Nadal is not really "limited" off clay, that said if he does come back he has to win more events off clay IMO. 7 out of 11 slams at RG is too high a percentage if we are to put Nadal up there with Federer. Also the whole non clay slam comparison you made there would be great if it wasn't for the fact that you're counting 3 slams for Nadal and only 1 for Fed. That would be like me saying Federer has more HC slams than Nadal has on clay, but it would be unfair since there are 2 HC slams, and only 1 on clay.
     
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    True but like Nadal, other spanish players including Ferrer have improved on all surfaces. David Ferrer has done a fantastic run at both the US Open (SF 2007 and SF 2012) and the AO (SF 2011) and Wimbledon (QF 2012). The surfaces aren't so different nowadays. Regardless, Nadal is a great player but Sampras and Federer have shown more talent on grass and hardcourts than Nadal has looking at their achievements. Nadal is the greatest clay court player in history.
     
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    Nadal is a lot better on grass or hard than Sampras on clay.

    And he is far more dominant on clay than Sampras and Federer were on grass. Both have 7 slams at their best surface. With the difference that Nadal only lost there ONCE and will probably add a few more wins there.
     
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    How are Federer fans lucky? Federer broke just about every record in tennis WHILE Nadal was playing tennis. Federer didn't win titles when Nadal was retired from the game. :lol:
    The worst thing that happened to Nadal was the rise of Novak Djokovic. The best thing that happened to Nadal was the death of Djokovic's grandfather.
     
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    C'mon guys. I am not a Nadal fan. But have some respect for him. This guy played a awesome French Open 2012, defeating a mighty strong Djokovic, just 2 weeks prior to the Rosol loss.

    Even if he is not going to be able to come back, this guy has won 11 majors and is at age 26. Wouldnt you give him some time for him to think over what he wants to do with his career.

    Getting sloshed at the party is wrong ? Or taking a 5 month break is crazy ? If Hewitt , Haas and Nalbandian can come back after injuries and play well for years together, Nadal can't ?
     
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    None of those 3 competed or were expected to compete for Slams after injury (or before it). People are expecting much much much more from Nadal than the likes of Hewitt, Haas and Nalbandian. :lol:
    And Djokovic played his worst clay season in years. He was actually below even his 2009 level.
     
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    He's a troll. Mike Shams craps on Nadal for not winning enough off of clay,but makes excuses for Sampras,who never won RG,or even got a sniff of a final there. I laughed when I saw his quoted post because of how much BS he managed to pack into one post on here.

    I also never knew that only winning 4 non-clay slams,or winning 4 slams period wasn't good enough. Lol.


    Oh,and Nadal has more slams off of his favorite surface than ******* has off of his. What do you say to that,Mike Shams?
     
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    This year was Djokovic second best "clay season" in his career!
     
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    Rafa has had months to decide to retire. Why take so long to make a decision that will give him ultimate happiness? Remember how he was saying last year that he is fed up with the tour? The retirement choice is simple for him. The sooner he says it the quicker he can forget about his tennis career that made him so unhappy.
     
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    I agree with what you said. I respect Nadal. But you have to remember that you can't really compare a Nadal comeback to any of the 3 you mentioned. The other 3 can come back, and string a few good results together in non slam events for the most part, but if Nadal comes back nobody will be satisfied with 3rd or 4th round results, not even Rafa himself.
     
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    I'm making a bet with you that when Rafa plays the 2013 Australian Open you and your Ms Nadal will never post again. Thanks, bye.
     
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    But RAFA2005RG/6:1 6:3 6:0 thinks that you and Mike Sams are the same person! :)
     
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    Nobody said it was wrong,but I have noticed that he does this with a frequency these days. Nothing wrong with partying sometimes,but making a habit of it is far from a good thing. Especially if you're an elite athlete.


    Those guys are not top players contending for slams. I think they have 1 title between them at the moment. Nadal being out this long is horrible for him,and won't help him at all in the long run.
     
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    No way. Mike Shams is on my ignore list,and has been for a long time. Bullzilla is just mad because I,along with many others,have called him out for having a 100 different accounts on here. I have one account and one account only.
     
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  49. Mike Sams

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    Nadal has 4 non-clay Slams. Djokovic has 5 non-clay Slams.
     
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    For those who are interested, here are some stats for the top 4 by # of different events won and by surface:

    Federer has won 27 different events:
    12 Tier 1 = 4 slams, 7 masters, WTF
    15 minor = 5 500, 10 250
    20 on hard/carpet, 5 on clay and 2 on grass.

    Nadal: 21 events:
    11 tier 1 = 4 slams, 6 masters, Olympics
    10 minor = 5 500, 5 250
    9 on hard, 10 on clay, 2 on grass

    Djoko: 20 events:
    11 tier 1 = 3 slams, 7 masters, WTF
    9 minor = 4 500, 5 250
    14 on hard, 5 on clay, 1 on grass

    Murray: 16 events:
    6 tier 1 = 1 slam, 4 masters, Olympics
    10 minor = 3 500, 7 250
    14 on hard/carpet, 0 on clay, 2 on grass


    Rafa doesn't come across as such a die-hard specialist in the sense that he has won almost as many events on hard as he has on clay, not the same # of times of course but still, his perf is much more balanced between surfaces than the other 3. Fed and Djoko are much more heavily slanted toward hard court than Nadal is toward clay. Anyway, the only one of the 4 I would call a clear surface specialist is Murray because of his 0 on clay. The other 3 guys have won something on every surface.
    It's interesting none of them have won both WTF and Olympics. Agassi is still the only one to have done that (on top of his 4 slams and 7 masters) keeping his status as most versatile player in open era alive for now.
     
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