Has the K Factor Killed Federer's Forehand

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  1. ej

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    Federer's forehand -- on hard&Clay-- has not consistently been what it was with the nCode. Has the K Factor killed it.
     
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  2. STRman

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    It sure does seem like his demise started right after he switched racquets. I believe he won the Aussie with the K but even there he seemed to be framing more balls than usual.
     
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  3. Mick

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    I am sure Federer is taking steps to put his game back on track. I don't know if he will be successful but I am sure he has a plan. Fed seems like a pretty smart guy when you hear him talk in the press interviews and smart guys would always have a plan to set things right :)
     
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  4. DRtenniS1112

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    Come on guys do we really believe Federer has switched racquets or just paint.
     
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  5. hummer23

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    well the commercial said . . . (lol)
     
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  6. BigServer1

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    First off he never played with the nCode, and he never switched to the KFactor.

    Second, see Australian Open 2007.
     
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  7. abenguyen

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    its not the racquet...
     
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  8. Mick

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    Serena Williams said tennis is 80% mental and 20% physical. They add up to 100% -- no percentage left for the racquet :)
     
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  9. LarougeNY

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    I think its either
    1. Not the racket
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    2. Fed, like Haas, is sensitive to the pj, and he doesn't like this kfactor PJ
     
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  10. mJeez4293

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    if serena said it then it must be true
     
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  11. thefan

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    Well what racquet is federer using all along?
     
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  12. BkK_b0y14

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    ^^^^ i bet BigServer1 is gonna say a ps90
     
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  13. BreakPoint

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    He's been using what is essentially a K90 since 2002. So, no, he didn't switch to a K-Factor this year because he switched to it 5 years ago. Only now is Wilson selling this racquet to the public and calling it a "K-Factor" and claiming it has some fictitious "[K]arophite" technology in it.
     
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  14. ollinger

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    Wilson's purchase of the nano technology used in the n and K racquets was reported in The Wall Street Journal (I believe, or possibly the business section of the NY Times) well after 2002, perhaps 2004, after which they apparently developped its use in racquets.
     
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  15. BreakPoint

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    I don't recall seeing the article (I've subscribed to the WSJ for 20 years) but if that's true, it would corroborate what I'm saying - that the K90 contains no nCode nor [K]arophite Black since Federer's been using it since 2002.
     
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  16. BreakPoint

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    Well, it must have been well before 2004, since the nCode line was released in the spring of 2004 (Federer first used in at the '04 French Open) so Wilson must have been working with the nCode technology at least a year before that at a minimum.
     
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  17. sureshs

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    But ....... she switched racquets!
     
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  18. tintin

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    it's not the racquet
     
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  19. BreakPoint

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    Yes, she sure did. She finally wised up and switched to something smaller. :D
     
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  20. drakulie

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    yes. In fact, since January 1st of this year I have yet to see him hit a forehand that goes in.
     
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  21. @wright

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    These idiotic posts are just getting sooooo over the top. The man wins a slam WITHOUT DROPPING A SET! He goes through a bad patch for 2 months, and next thing you know, he's washed up, his "new" racquet is to blame, he's having the worst year ever, etc....I WISH I could have had as bad a year as Roger Federer!!!! In fact, none of us will EVER have as good a year as Federer has had already, and yet people are feeling sorry for him! Unbelievable! He has never started the year by winning a slam without dropping a set, so one could argue that, in the grand scheme of things, he is having his BEST year ever...Did anyone actually watch his matches at the AO after his shaky first couple of matches? He played unbelievably well, just ask Andy Roddick or Gonzo...Never underestimate human stupidity...
     
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    I think there is some change that seems to be throwing him off whether it be the racquet or just pj distracting him, he has not been playing anything like he was last year.
     
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  23. BreakPoint

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    What's been throwing him off is people like Canas (who was not around last year) and Nadal (nothing new there).
     
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  24. Fries-N-Gravy

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    tennis is 100% racquet, sq in = %, right now he's at 90%. i believe he was using a 100 sq in head before, it was just a very long racquet and looked like it had a small head.
     
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  25. vince916

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    Even at the AO he had a lot of errors on his forehand side.
     
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  26. drakulie

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    Here are the numbers from the Moya/Fed match.

    Shanks:
    Fed: 4 FH, 3 BH= 7 total
    Moya: 7 FH, 2 BH= 9 total

    Winners
    Fed: 23 FH, 7 BH = 30 total
    Moya: 12 FH, 5 BH= 17 total


    and by the way, Moya lost with a larger frame.

    Should Moya switch from his Babolat to something larger? :roll:
     
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  27. BounceHitBounceHit

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    No offense to anyone, but PLEASE repeat after me:

    "It's not the racquet"
    "It's not the racquet"
    "It's not the racquet"

    ;)

    CC
     
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  28. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Or to something smaller??.................. ;) CC
     
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  29. psamp14

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    its not the racquet


    just kidding...of course its not the racquet...with federer its all mental and confidence
     
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  30. psamp14

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    WOW.....lol
     
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  31. crazylevity

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    BP, with all due respect, I understand your train of thought, but I can't help feeling that people misunderstand when you say this. Rather, the first customized PS Tour 90 that Federer has been using since 2002 has finally been released as the K-Factor. Or at least, stng similar to what Fed and Wilson worked out in 2002. To say that he has been using a K-Factor since 2002 causes some people to misunderstand.

    That's what I think, with the confused responses you get.
     
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  32. BreakPoint

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    I think you're right that some people are probably confused when I say that Federer has been using the K-Factor since 2002. Perhaps people need to stop thinking in marketing terms and realize that Federer's K90 is not new but has been around for 5 years. The only thing that's new is the new paintjob that Wilson gives it every few years. The retail racquets have been different, but not the racquet that Federer has been using.

    Maybe this is a better way to explain it:

    1. Federer has been using the same racquet since 2002.

    2. In 2007, Wilson decided to release this racquet that Federer has been using for 5 years to the public and gave it the name "K-Factor".

    3. During this 5 year period, Wilson released two other racquet models to the public which Federer never used on tour. The first was the PS Tour 90 and the second was the nCode 90.

    4. During this same 5 year period, Federer's racquet was first painted to look like a PS Tour 90 and then painted to look like a nCode 90. Now it's painted to look like a K90, just like the regular retail version.
     
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  33. Batoussai

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    And the winner for most pointless thread in the category of Pro's Equipment is...

    Idiot, it's a paintjob!!! Like anything could kill Federer's Forehand. Even with a baseballbat it would be brilliant!
     
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  34. equinox

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    It's obvious fellas. The K-Factor paintjob is too demanding for federer.
     
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  35. drakulie

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    Should Nadal switch to a larger frame???

    SHANKS
    Fed: 1 FH, 2BH= 3 total
    Nadal: 4 FH, 1 BH = 5 total

    WINNERS
    Fed: 15 FH, 2 BH= 17 total
    Nadal: 5 FH, 5BH= 10 total

    BAGELS
    Fed= zero
    Nadal= one
     
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  36. JayxTheKoolest

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    The racket is a part of the mental aspect...
     
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  37. Mick

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  38. swedechris

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    kfactor ncode hyper hammer etc racket has nothing to do with it.. today he beat nadal on clay and his forehand + rest of game was as clean as can be after the 1st set..
     
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  39. knasty131

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    I think an inward lack of confidence is what killed his confidence...did anyone notice how after the results of his 2nd set today, his confidence raised (due to the though that he might be able to take nadal) and then we got to see the "old" Fed...
     
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  40. paulfreda

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    Fed better than ever

    Old Fed ?
    I don't think Fed or anyone else ever played 2 sets more superbly than Roger's performance yesterday in Hamburg. He was hitting corners, ripping winners, returning service as good or better than he ever has in his career.
    It was a thing of beauty.
     
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  41. Kirko

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    he's in a blue funk period. he ain't bulletproof. there are a good players with the CONFIDENCE to really enjoy the chance to try to beat him instead of genuflecting to him.
     
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  42. superstition

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    Nadal did not play at his normal level in the final. In fact, he looked tired against Hewitt. Federer should never be able to get a 6-0 score against Nadal on clay if Nadal is playing at his normal level. On grass, I can see it.
     
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  43. drakulie

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    ^^^ If he was tired, then he needs to switch to a lighter, larger frame.
     
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  44. superstition

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    It would be more advisable to switch to a style of play that doesn't require as much energy expenditure. Nadal seemed more tired after mostly two-set matches than Federer did after mostly three-setters.

    Of course, it's silly to suggest that he change his style, as it's not very feasible. I suppose he could try to get even better at using the net to keep points shorter, but it seems like he's already trying to add more net to his game.
     
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    ^^^ Agreed. But a racquet change would also be in order.
     
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  46. Fries-N-Gravy

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    there's always some excuse when someone loses. Nadal looked tired, Fed's racquet is too big, etc... Fact is Fed finally beat him on clay and its hard for some people to accept because they think just because they are fans of Nadal they absorb his coolness and are somehow his kin.

    Chang looked pretty tired at the french in 89. thats really not an excuse. a loss is a loss.
     
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  47. Mick

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    I think it's partly because Nadal would grunt on every single point. I believe grunting would use up some of his energy. I remember watching the first round match at the AO where Sharapova was completely exhausted. She had to stop grunting to save her energy.

    Federer, on the other hand, is very efficient in his stroke production and he doesn't grunt.
     
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  48. drakulie

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    He also does not use a racquet that limits him, and tires him out in the third set.
     
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  49. Mick

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    haha. I don't know if Nadal had switched racquets while winning those 81 matches. Seems to me that is a pretty good racquet. The problem is when Federer is on his game, it's pretty hard for anyone to beat him :)
     
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  50. drakulie

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    Mick, I'm just teasing and rubbing the racquet argument in certain peoples faces.
     
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