Has the shreiking gotten out of hand?

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  1. AR15

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    Has the shrieking gotten out of hand?

    Pat McEnroe is discussing the topic now. Seems Sharapova has reached record levels with her shrieking. Should the umpires put a sock in it?
     
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  2. Clarky21

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    Yes,and it should have been done a long time ago.
     
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    Oh absolutely...I just heard Mac2's rant as well and couldn't agree with him more. It's SO annoying - and I actually want to watch the girl play but find it very difficult, indeed, to do so with her version of making sure everyone knows she's there.

    It's a bullying tactic of sorts, but when it all starts annoying the hell out of the stadium and the ENTIRE match...it's uncalled for.

    Boot it off, I say!

    By the way: Mac2 is calling for Shrieka's next opponent - or any opponent of hers in this tournament - to complain at the start of the match about the shrieks. Let's see what ensues...his challenge will surely be discussed amongst the sisterhood there.
     
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  4. TMF

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    Well, if they want to abandon all the noises during the rally, then Azarenka, Serena, Venus, Schiavone, Nadal and many players out there to keep their mouth shut.
     
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  5. Clarky21

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    You forgot Djokovic,but even as loud as some of the men are,they are not nearly as bad as some of the women.
     
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    The problem is that they would never outlaw all grunting. So, it becomes very subjective. Where is the cutoff? Clearly, there are obvious examples, like Sharapova today, but what about players who are flirting with whatever standard is set.

    It can't be left up to the opponent to say "she/he is bothering me" because then an opponent could simply complain to get in the head of the offending player.

    I guess there could be a decibel-meter. That could be sort of cool, flashing the decibels of various players' shrieks on the big screen, like they do with line calls and Shot Spot.
     
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  7. rdis10093

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    it hurts my ears
     
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  8. sureshs

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    PMac should win 3 singles Slams first without shrieking, and then comment on this
     
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  9. Tony48

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    Nothing will come of this. She's been shrieking since forever.
     
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  10. Tim Tennis

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    I agree, that is the problem, where do you draw the line.
     
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    Good thing this topic's never been discussed before.
     
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  12. Cormorant

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    If the banshee wails anywhere near that level on her way to the semis, she'll only be doing so to save face. No one's going to test her enough to elicit the shrill, undignified, bullying, loco, whale-beaching, S&M laryngeal exertions heard today.
     
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  13. Tim Tennis

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    You are right but it's hard to find a general topic that has not been discussed.
     
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    Sharapova's shrieks are not like some involunatary grunting.

    She stops mid-shriek if the ball hits the net otherwise carries it long.

    Today she increased the volume a lot and used it very well as an intimidation tactic.
     
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  15. Mustard

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    To think Seles once got criticism for grunting when we have the likes of Sharapova today who shriek at very loud volumes. And Sharapova ups the volume around 20% when she's under pressure, especially against inexperienced opponents.
     
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  16. spiderman123

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    I think you missed a zero there.
     
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  17. mike84

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    watching Sharapova match today

    i would say yes


    the funniest part sharapova seems to go from 80db to 160db as she is about to win the point
     
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  18. jmverdugo

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    I was stringing some racquets today and my wife was watching the match, it was really unbearable, nothing to do with the other guys grunting, i was just hoping one of the girls to make a mistake and stop the torture.
     
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  19. swordtennis

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    Yes. It is WEIRD. Strange times. Only time I root 4 Serena W. is when she beats the shrieker(s).
     
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    That's why everyone hates her. Everyone. Really, who ever roots for Masha? But her opponents are idiots for not complaining. Either they're totally gutless or it doesn't really bother them.
     
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    There is a difference between (high-pitched) shrieking and grunting IMO.
     
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    I think most players really do not give a damn; it never stops them from playing, otherwise there would be a large outcry about the matter. Moreover, the tennis PTB are not going to screw with name players or players with asses they like to kiss.
     
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    Yes, but the worst, most notorious shrieker is also the biggest draw on the women's side: Maria.

    I think it does detract from the credibility of the women's game, then again, no one seems to be watching the men, either.
     
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    idk the unforced errors and double faults bother me the most. shrieking is just part of the WTA now, so it's pointless to hate.
    as long as the quality of tennis is good, let them shriek. I really don't care.
     
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    Good thing for Sharipova that she's blonde. All the advertisers filling her pockets to make her the highest paid endorsement tennis athlete don't seem to mind her shrieking. I don't think she's really attractive, being skinny and blonde has really helped her cash flow.

    Now Kournikova was hot. I'd rather watch any match of hers, win or lose.

    Sharipova, can't listen to that noise for a moment.
     
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  26. Nuke

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    Serena is loud, too.
     
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  27. KHSOLO

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    Totally agree

    One of the reasons i dont watch WTA matches is exactly because of this stupidity
     
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  28. not_federer

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    I skipped this match like I always do with wta...was it really that bad?? Worse than usual is hard to imagine.

    I dunno why they call it grunting, especially on the ladies side. There's a difference between an "AH!" sound after serving or hitting a running forehand, and the SHRIEKING that permeates that ladies game.
     
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    I think the Umpires should be given the power to deduct points, it's incredibly annoying. Especially when they continue to grunt long after they've hit the ball, and when their opponent is hitting their shot.

    Enough is enough.
     
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  30. LuvTheGame

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    The shreiking has gotten out of hand...why is it allowed to continue and even get louder and higher pitched? Sex sells!
     
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    It is hilarious.
     
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    It gets annoying when it's really loud. Sharapova was so loud, it was ridiculous.

    A lot of players grunt when they hit the ball hard, but it's nothing like some of these women.

    To be honest, I think it's partially so annoying because the women have a higher pitched grunt.
     
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    I just read a post above and yes, it's not even grunting.

    It is a high pitched shriek.
     
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    Different rules for different levels of players? I don't see that being a good strategy.

    It is pathetic. WTA is in a bind since it's 3 of their big draws (Shara, VA, Serena) - at a time when they desperately need them.
     
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  35. marcub

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    That's the dumbest comment I've seen in a while.
     
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    PMac is big on comments about others, like Sharapova and Young, but the only reason he has a job is because he is someone's brother.
     
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    And yes, there is a difference between grunting like even Nadal and Serena do because Maria and Azarenka simply scream at the ball depending on the shot. Even if the pace drops, the volume increases if it's a tough shot or clearly during a fast paced part of any given point. That's the part that makes it so annoying and shows it's controllable. AHHHHHHHHHH- where the ball hits the net or AHHHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! where the ball lands wide and she gets mad. Pathetic.
     
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    Azarenka out there wailing like a banshee right now. Just one of the many reasons I don't watch the WTA.
     
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    Really not that hard to create a new standard, or enforce it. With the increasing amount of technology augmenting the modern game, a device that measures decibel level wouldn't be altogether difficult to add to the ump's chair.

    There's also a huge technical difference between grunting and shrieking. I own an electronic set of ear protection that I use when I go shooting. The ear-pro mutes the high pitched crack of the muzzle report, while still allowing me to hear people talk with absurd clarity. If a simple piece of range equipment can tell the difference between wanted and unwanted sounds, then so can we - or any other choice technology we add to the game.

    Maybe the shrieks (I before E, people!) don't bother the pros, but who's worried about the pros watching tennis? If the powers that be want to keep televised tennis profitable, they'll have to fix this at some point. Women's tennis is enough of a joke as it is, there's no need to ruin what little redeeming value there is.
     
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    I disagree with that. he's no worse a commentator than Brad Gilbert or Pam Shriver, or Chris Evert. Mind you, his very comment that we're discussing here made sense.
     
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    Poor athletes often make excellent coaches and commentators. Look at what BG did for Agassi.

    What's the old adage? "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."
     
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    Absolutely. In my view it goes well with BG as a coach (not as a commentator though) and with Pmac as a commentator. Or with Cahill as both.

    To develop that further: great athletes, on the other hand, usually make so-so commentators or coaches. Big exception as a commentator: JMac.
     
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    Watching Petkovic right now. She doesn't grunt all the time so I guess it isn't out of hand for her! It is funny though, "OOOF AHHH."
     
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    Mind you, not all grunts can be extra-annoying. Take Kirilenko for example - she sure has a way about it :)
     
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    It is so annoying,simply because there is no need for it.It is nigh on cheating,because it puts the opponent off.It should be stopped now.If the authorities told the players to stop doing it with immediate effect,or they would be defaulted,then they would stop it.Sharapova and Azarenka and the two sisters have got on peoples nerves for too long now and something should be done about it.
     
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    To me it sounds more like: Aahhhh fuhhhhhhk. Maybe I am just hearing what I want to.
     
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    I really like Jimmy Connors and Mats Wilander as commentators.
     
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  48. Clarky21

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    It sounds like "oh,f*ck" to me,too so you are definitely not hearing things. :lol:
     
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    if you hadn't said "like" I would have said it's very debatable. But liking is subjective so I can't argue with that. Navratilova is a former great that I look at as a good commentator.
     
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    I saw her first match. I could not believe the shrieking, she should be ashamed. It definitely has to stop.
     
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