Has there ever been a CLEANER ball striker than Djokovic?

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  1. Netspirit

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    Because in Topspin4 Nadal is an "offensive baseliner" - the faster USO surface suits that character much better. Nadal has the most skill points, ahead of Federer, Djokovic and Agassi.

    I mostly play online. There is one player I have never lost to - Roddick. He is all serve, and 2K nerfed the serve precision after some online players had learned to abuse it.

    Becker can be a pain to play against. The key is to get him to run as speed and stamina are his only weaknesses. Winning as underpowered Eugene Bouchard is fun. )
     
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    I love playing Roddick. I feared him back in 2011 when I was a noob and couldn't return his serve. I love when someone online picks him. I'm very hard to ace, you MIGHT get 3 if you're lucky with Roddick. Once that serve comes back they're like oh sh*t! What do I do now? Lol. I'm also good at getting balls back I have no business getting to. @SLD... I can't R3 serve well at all. I've always used the joystick and d-pad. I agree that it is very realistic and all about timing, offense vs defense etc. Slices are a lifesaver too.
     
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  3. OddJack

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    Rodge and Nadal both take shower before and after the match, so they are both clean ball strikers.
     
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  4. Backhanded Compliment

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    I can agree with this... esp when he is aggressive with the FH.
     
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    They wash themselves with their own tears after big losses too :D

    On topic (in no particular order):
    Agassi
    Davydenko
    Berdych
    Nalbandian
    Safin
     
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    I'm actually still surprised at how clean and accurate Davydenko's ball striking is, what sucks about him is his legs have seemed to fail him.
     
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  8. SLD76

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    Geez, I do not miss 90's tennis get-ups

    Ugh
     
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    Well .... I remember him (Djesus, lol) pretty much "walking on water" during the last FO, so much that Ralph got the match postponed to the next day.
     
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    Fed is playing with a smaller frame and takes the ball earlier than anyone, so you can expect more shanks and frames than anyone else. Fed had the option to go Nadal, stand miles behind the baseline and run side to side returning everything. Thankfully he's saved us the snooze fest :)
     
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    Isn't Roddick kinda broken in the game? Sad it never got released on PC. I had Tennis Elbow before. Bad graphics, best simulation from a landslide.
     
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    Lolz. I love your wordplay.
     
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    There are multiple players that hit the ball as clean as Djok. The question should be, are their any players that are better movers.
     
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    Nadal in his prime, Murray on a good day.
     
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    I'd go with Agassi.
     
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    Agassi of course...then we have Nalbandian and Baghdatis..
     
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    For me, Nalby and Malisse are the cleanest ball strikers (of course less so now, but when they were in their prime they were stunning to watch).
     
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    His ground game just really sucks.
     
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    heh .............
     
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    was wondering if someone would mention baggy !
     
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    Conners then Agassi .... Jimbo because he used those crazy T2000 hits about 6 inches over the net ... try hitting some balls with that Wilson racket and you'll know why ...
     
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    Agassi

    Davydenko
     
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    connors
    agassi
    nalbandian
    korda
    davydenko
    nalbandian
    baghdatis
    berdych

    to name 8 cleaner ball-strikers .....
     
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    i find it very interesting that when these types of discussions come up we (myself included) rarely include the ladies. i think these ladies should at least be in the discussion when it comes to clean ball strikers.

    hingas
    wozniacki
    evert
    graff
    seles
     
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  25. tennisfreak73

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    for me there are 2 names that stand out. connors because he took the ball early and anyone who hits that flat from both wings must have clean contact everytime since he has less margin for error. agassi, simply because he took the ball so early, like connors, but with tremendous power and consistancy. power from both wings in an era where most had 1.
     
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  26. Anaconda

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    Safin.



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    Relax folks, ...
    Nadal has demonstrated better overall movement on clay and grass throughout his career. Federer certainly better movement on grass and close call on other surfaces.
     
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  28. ultradr

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    What is this thread about? Federer is easily the cleanest ball striker (of this era).
     
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  29. Anaconda

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    Federer is clearly the most efficient mover on tour. It's the sole reason he has stayed injury free despite playing a lot of tennis on the hard courts (going deep in pretty much every event he enters) which is the most punishable surface on the joints. He also manages his movement better than any other guy when it comes to chasing down balls. Also, his coordination and flexibility combined with his anticipation allows for great movement. Granted, foot speed, Nadal is ahead of this, but even Monfils is faster than Federer. (Monfils doesn't posses nearly as good footwork as Federer).






    I do sometimes wonder if people base footwork on speed and the ability to retrieve balls back on this forum. You need to look at efficiency, coordination, flexibility, control and energy expanded.








    Oh look player xyz runs fast his movement is insane!!!!!!
     
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  30. SoCal10s

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    so why does he 'shank' so many shots...
     
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    no, he's not . We're not talking about the best ballstriker, just the cleanest.

    that means hitting from the sweet spot of the racquet consistently.

    federer's complex range of strokes , varying spin, pace, angle etc. of both wings means he can't hit it that clean consistently ....
     
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    Relax folks, ...
    Yes. Too many people judge looking at the pure speed of a player too much, rather than not just the things you've mentioned, but also footwork specific to facilitating offence as well as defence. Djokovic falls behind Federer and Nadal on grass because his footwork is less pristine. Andy Murray is very quick but demonstrates relatively poor footwork technique when setting up for forehands compared to the Fed/Nadal/Djo.

    We can look at movement as a combination of things such as:

    -efficiency
    -footwork
    -anticipation
    -speed
    -recovery
    -lateral
    -up and down the court

    among other things. Also it's important to realise how different players use their ability to move well differently. Also, some people confuse what a player can do when they get to the ball for things pertaining to movement. Many players can get to X ball but certain players can just do more from the situation, or from an outstretched position. Nadal comes to mind especially when considering this. From the older times, I hear Laver was able to produce miraculous shot-making when he had no right to do so when fully extended.
     
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    Most of the intelligent posters seem to say Laver moved better than anyone else. It's worth highlighting Federer's decline in game correlated with a decline in footwork. whether it was court position or position or just sloppy movement on FH's which led to a downfall in that shot particularly.
     
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    Is there an ATP statistic on % shanked balls from total hits? Otherwise this is all guessing.
     
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    Only at times. When Fed is 100% fully healthy and energized, there is still nobody like him. I'd say the last time he played like that was 2012 ATP semifinals vs Murray. He was flying around the court.
     
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    There's too many variables, for instance, you are more likely to shank a ball the more spin you add, which is why I find it interesting Nadal has the most consistent ground game. That's good his forehand is.
     
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  38. The-Champ

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    Anyone who watched him would know he hits a pretty clean ball. I'm still bugged by the fact that he wasn't able to win a major though, with all that talent..
     
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    That and the wimbledon semi and final last year
     
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    Federer needs that burger in your avatar to get energized again.
     
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    Teehee

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    James Blake also hit a very clean ball, he was a fantastic returner as well.
     
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    Henin, Serenaaaaaa. Venus's backhand as well. The swing motion is hideous, but she hits it as clean as a whistle.
     
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    His backhand was the bees knees
     
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    James might have hit it clean, but usually into the net or long.
     
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    LOL.

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