Head Club Pro mid with CAP grommets

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  1. Bud

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    I acquired this beauty recently from another TT member (pics below).

    I replaced the iPrestige CAP grommets with Microgel Prestige CAP grommets, added a leather grip and took measurement specs from start to finish.

    Head Club Pro Specifications

    Head size: 89.5 sq. in.
    String pattern: 18x20
    Weight: 13.5 oz. (382 grams)
    Balance: 9 pts. HL
    SW: 350??
    Stiffness: flexible (exact number ?)
    Material: tubular graphite and fiberglass

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    Naked frame (no grip, grommets or strings)

    Weight: 10.9 oz. (310 grams)
    Balance: 13 pts. HL.

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    With TW thin leather grip (no grommets or strings)

    Weight: 11.8 oz. (334 grams)
    Balance: 18 pts. HL.

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    With MG Prestige mid CAP grommets (no strings)

    Weight: 12.8 oz. (364 grams)
    Balance: 12 pts. HL.

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    Completely strung with 16g Ace Play natural gut

    Weight: 13.5 oz. (382 grams)
    Balance: 9 pts. HL.

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  2. Bud

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    Wow that is one nice looking PJ and it appears to be in pristine condition too. I haven't seen one of these before. Have you taken it out for a hit yet?
    beautiful frame.
     
  4. Thaychua

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    are my eyes playing tricks on me or is the recommended string tension 55-85? :shock:
     
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    Geeesh...i have to say it again. That darn paintjob is so beautiful.
     
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    Should be fun. I used this model (a previous PJ of the same) for clay season, 1988... closest feel in a "conventional" racquet approximating that of the Max 200g, believe it or not! (and yes, the Club Pro will not only feel like a Max 200g, it will also quickly "potato chip" like said Max 200g if strung at over 62 lbs or so...)
     
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    Taking it out, tomorrow! :)

    P.S. Putting lots of Head head tape on it, too!
     
  8. Bud

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    55-65 lbs.

    It's your eyes... it's 55-65 lbs. ;-)

    I strung it at 50# on a dropweight/CP machine.

    :)
     
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    Ahhhh... man, I'd hate to see this beauty 'potato chip'... I'll keep it at 50# with NG :)
     
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    I have a couple other Club Pro's that are blue-ish.
     
  11. plasma

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    a pj that just makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside...
     
  12. Thaychua

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    Let us know how that goes. i mean I can always take it off your hands if it doesn't go so well. :wink:

    Also, when you were replacing the grip to leather, does the racket have a pallet system or a mold on handle?
     
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    can we see its powder blue 89.5 alter ego pls? a vintage stencil (not the new version) would be icing on the cake...
     
  14. Bud

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    Sunset!

    Like a tropical sunset! :)
     
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    I don't believe it was a pallet system.

    If it was, it definitely was unlike the current Head pallet system.
     
  16. Bud

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    I also have this same racquet (same color scheme) in the 102 sq. in. size... also in mint condition.

    I'll see if I can find the dark blue Club Pro... it may be a different blue than the one you're referring to.

    I believe it came in at least 3 different paint schemes.

    Sunset (we'll call it) :)
    Powder blue/sparkly blue
    Dark blue (the other 2 frames I own)
     
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    Club Pro Pics (dark blue)

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    Club Master mid+ Pic

    Head Graphite Pro and Club Master mid+ (102 sq. in.)

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    Stock weight of the Club Pro with CAP grommets?

    Hey Plaz,

    Did you check out the weight of this sucker without an overgrip or head tape?

    13.5 oz!

    I'm thinking this may have been a 4 1/2M racquet. In its bare state with no grip, no grommets and no strings... it weighed very close to 11.0 oz! :shock:

    See my original post <---
     
  20. MichaelChang

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    I have a Club Pro. The paint job is blue/grey, it is not the same to either of your 2 Club Pros (the red one, and the blue one).

    Mine is 4 1/4, with original grommets/bumper, with original leather. weighted 12.4 oz strung. The right weight for me. 13.5 would have been way too heavy for me to really use it. I do not understand why yours will get to 13.5, I suppose you can cut the Cap grommets partly to bring the weight to below 13.
     
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    Wow, that racquet is in pristine condition.
     
  22. khw72004

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    These are mine. I also have a couple more duplicates but heres one of each
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    The Club pro lists fiberglass before graphite as its composition -- does that mean it's more fiberglass than graphite? I remember the Graphite pro had graphite listed first.
     
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    Yes, Head was always rather mum on what its composition percentages were, but the Club Pro was more than 50% Fiberglass, hence its unique feel. Play this frame back to back with an identically-strung Graphite Pro and be astonished at how two identical-looking frames can play so differently. The Club, I felt, was really in league with the F200 Rossi and the Max 200g; probably closest to the Max 200g in that a good player could also get nice flat groundies off the stringbed if strung tightly enough (I preferred mine at 65 lbs, but it killed frames within a month of heavy play).

    I think I still have a dark blue '87 version around here somewhere that I have had since new. It probably resembles a baseball mitt, though.

    FYI, the dark blue version was the first (1987), the burnt orange/red the second (1988), and the metallic lighter blue the final version (1989) of this interesting frame. And they were marketed as a club players (beginner's or recreational player's) frame in the Pro (midplus) line of rackets in those years.
     
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    Thats great info. thanks alot.
     
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    total opposite from the tx line and the team pro, amazing...cosmetically as well this one is friendlier, matching what we now know is inside its very soul. My team pro feels like a tiny yamaha secret 04, so powerful and stiff that even a small server can dish out big aces. To think that in the same mold they produced a flexible baseline players racquet...I'd love to try groundies with the club pro, my BB winners are mostly fiberglass and dwell feels like twice that of the more graphite layup in the same mold!...point and shoot, effortlessly hitting lines on the fly!!!
    personally I wouldn't cap a team pro, but I'd Cap a club pro...
     
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    I wouldn't cap the club pro, he got his capped and end up 13.5. Unless you really an advanced player, I don't think 13.5 is the best for you. As I said mine with original bumpers and leather, weights at 12.4.
     
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    Very nice!

    There's the robin's egg/sparkly blue frame I referred to in my post above!

    :)
     
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    Thanks for all that awesome info, Retro! It amazes me how you know this much about the classic racquets!
     
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    My other Club Pro is CAPped and it only weight 12.6 oz. I'm thinking this Club Pro may have been a Medium as opposed to a Light frame.
     
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    Thanks. I seem to be blessed/cursed with a near photographic memory for things I care about. Tennis is one of a few things I have been obsessed with as a pursuit, playing competitively in the Juniors in California and internationally, 1983-1988, then college, and Opens through 1993. Having always been rather technically-minded, that I am an enthusiastic "gearhead" was a natural facet of the passion and fascination I have for the game. In '93 I realized that my prospects for success in the pro ranks were slim to nil. Disillusioned, I completely turned my back on tennis and went off to earn a proper living. In 2007, I checked back in, and really enjoy playing tennis again. However, the gear available at present seems to me to be inferior in a few ways to what could be had in the late '80's and early '90's.
     
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    my team pro is stiff but with great dampening, I bet the club pro is forgiving without being a noodle...maybe like the 200g???
     
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    I was going to try it out tonight... but it rained here in San Diego :evil:

    I'll let you know, tomorrow! :)
     
  34. BDAZ

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    my CAPped Club Pro, in all it's robin's egg and sparkly blue goodness.

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    I've posted this a few times now, but there always seems to be a reason to.
     
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  35. Bud

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    Yeah, love that thing!
     
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    bdaz...you the man!!!
     
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    glad you like. my stringer said it was a beyotch to string because the CAP kind of caved in on itself when he'd tension the strings, making the holes nearly nonexistent. i don't know, the grommet channel must be deeper on this frame than a modern prestige. anyone else have this problem?
     
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    He be tellin' you fibs!

    Lol! What a whiner... hope he didn't charge you extra for the installation :twisted:

    I've strung at least 10 of these older Head frames with updated CAP grommets (mid and mid+) and not only do they snap right into place with no fuss/no muss... they are just as easy to string as the racquets with the CAP grommets as stock equipment.

    The ONLY frames that were an issue thus far are:

    1. LM Radical mid+ (due to the raised frame ridges and thicker bridge beam).

    2. Spalding ATP 200 Pro Stock (due to the smaller hole diameter for the stock grommets in the upper hoop - think powerdrill).

    If you really want to **** him off... bring him an ATP 200 to CAP with LM Prestige mid CAP grommets... I guarantee his hands AND his face will be BEET RED afterward... IF he's successful :lol:
     
  39. BDAZ

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    i don't know. you be the judge. these are lm prestige grommets.

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    is there a difference between the LM and MG prestige CAP's??? I guess the original brown CAP's are a thing of the past??? the old brown Peebax seem to be higher quality and softer than the new black plastic...
     
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    i think Bud says the MG CAPs are softer and a little easier to work with. correct me if i'm wrong.
     
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    Some CAP grommet pointers...

    Yeah, I can tell he had some problems in the lower hoop. He is aware, I hope, that grommets should be installed from throat to top.

    Also, he should be aware of what's happening under the CAP, too. His strings are twisted and he failed to pull them hard enough to actually go INTO the grommet channel. The string(s) should not show like that when pulled properly.

    Sometimes, if you string at low tension... you have to pull at higher tension to get the string to 'snap' into the CAP grommet channel and seat itself properly... at which point it will pretty much disappear.

    However, sometimes the camera flash will pick up the string inside the CAP (flash reflection). This, though, is a case of him not pulling tension high enough to hear the little 'snap' that occurs when the string is seated properly. What compounded the problem is the twisted strings... which will make it even more difficult to pull the string into the CAP channel.

    BDAZ, you may still be able to push those strings into the CAP channel. Take the back end of the awl (or anything hard and flat) and push on the strings. Many times they will snap into place... even after the job is complete and all knots tied.

    If that doesn't work, try prying up the lip on the CAP channel with something dull (so as not to scratch them like your stringer did)... and then use something hard and flat to try and push those strings into the channel (and out of sight) where they belong.

    I'll try and post some closeup pics of a similar situation.
     
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    There is a difference between the MG/LM CAP grommets

    The MG CAPs are definitely softer/more malleable and easier to work with. They are also comprised of nibs that are slightly smaller in diameter than their predecessors.
     
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    Your stringer messed up. If you can shove those in I would just buy new CAP's and redo it. Or buy a stringer and do it yourself.
     
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    Check this out...

    Here is a Graphite Pro with LM Prestige mid CAP grommets...

    Note how the reflection from the camera's flash makes it appear the string is outside the grommet channel. I know this isn't the case, since I have the racquet here and double checked it when I saw the pics. Because the string overlaps abother string in that location... it pushes the lips of the CAP grommet channel more 'open' and thus the reflection off the strings from the flash. If you were to run your finger over the CAP grommet at this location... you would not feel the string.

    In your case however, it's clear that the strings are OUTSIDE the grommet. It will not harm the strings or grommet... but it definitely looks cleaner when they are tucked into the channel.

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    Here's another angle:

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    Hi Bud,
    what are your thoughts regarding LM vs. MG mid CAPs on older 89.5s?
    It would be great if you and/or khw could review/compare all the various models in the pro series in a seperate thread, they seem to go from very stiff: txp, txe, team pro; to very flexible: comp pro, comfort pro etc. A range manufacturers these days completely ignore...I am assuming that the graphite pro is in the middle and is basically the same flex as the edge or director...???? thanks for inspiring me to CAP some of my 89.5's, will post new pics in a few weeks hopefully....
     
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    Definitely MG Prestige mid CAP grommets.

    Make sure you carefully remove the old grommets (except the brittle white ones) and save them.
     
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    Woohoo!

    Got lucky and picked up another beautiful European Graphite Pro like the one below!

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    that's a slightly wider mold than the graphite pro mold, right? I love how the simple art deco bars mimic the prestige...
     
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    It IS a Graphite Pro... which I believe were all made from the same mold.
     

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