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  1. Shangri La

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    I see all the code names when people reference Head racquets all the time, like TKG, TK, 237, 238, 57, etc etc, but never know which frames they exactly are. Can someone please decode them? Thanks.
     
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    There's a list of code names somewhere, somebody will probably find it.

    Basically, these are all prostock frames, meaning frames specially designed for special people (like pros, sponsored colleged players, etc). Some of us mere mortals can get our hands on these frames on occassion.
     
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    I've been wondering about this one too. Even though I just switched to the Prince Rebel, I am curious as to what code is for Djokovic's racquet as I would like to obtain one.
     
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    you won't be able to get your hands on a djoko racket most likely. it's a very mysterious racket/mold that most certainly isn't any form of a speed pro.
     
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    I know it's a slim chance and I would probably have to pay through the teeth to get one but I would still like to. The specs are just too good.
     
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    Djokovic and Murray's sticks don't have codes. They are completely custom racquets with custom molds, layups, and drill patterns. To date, these are the only two Head players who don't use coded racquets. The codes are as follows, keeping in mind that the .1's are 18x20, the .2's stiffer 16x19s, and the .3's flexier 16x19s:

    --TGK219.1,2,3--Pro Stock Extremes
    --TGK231.1,2,3--Pro Stock Radicals
    --TGK237.1,2,3--Pro Stock Prestige Mids
    --TGK238.1,2,3--Pro Stock Prestige MPs
    --TGK262.1,2,3--Pro Stock Thin-Beamed Speed Pros
    --TGK263.1,2,3--Pro Stock Thicker-Beamed Speed Pros
    --PT57A--Pro Tour 630
    --PT57E--There's a lot of controversy. Some believe it's a stiffer layup of the 630, whereas others believe it's the i.Prestige mold and layup. Head touring pros seem to think it's the old 630 though, as Ernests Gulbis told me after a match that he uses "the old blue one."
    --PT10--Prestige Classic 600

    Hope this helps.
     
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  7. Shangri La

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    Thanks. This sure helps! :)
     
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    Well, no more controversy I would say :)

    Great post, thanks!

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    So I guess i would have to settle for the TGK262.1 as that would be the 18x20, correct?
     
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    As I just read in another posters thread, the TGK262.1 is still a 16x19. So is there a TGK262.x that is a softer, 18x20?
     
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    Thanks for the heads up. I wasn't aware of that. I know for a fact that the MG TGK's were that way for the string patterns, and I just assumed the Speed Pros would be the same. I'm good friends with a Head rep who's pretty high up on the food chain, so I'll give him a call today.
     
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    Nice summary, any idea what the beam size is on the thin versus the thick?
     
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    How stiff are .1's in comparison to the .2 and .3?
     
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    I believe 18 vs 20 (mm) but I'll double check.
     
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    Good question. It totally depends on the mold. The 238.1 and .2 are very similar in terms of stiffness, whereas the 237.1 is supposed to be considerably stiffer than the .2, which is in turn considerably stiffer than the .3.
     
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    M missed the PT161 (insict mold?), PT219.2 (Kusnetsova)...
    I love the PT57E explanation!
     
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    Yeah I was about to bring up the pt161 too. I actually took the pallet off of a retail lm instinct last week and saw the 161 code.
     
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    Thanks for the quick response. Just curious but have you ever with with any of the TGK 231 Radical Pro stock versions? Just wondering how they hit compared to retail. I believe that's what Chardy and Cilic use.
     
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    I wasn't aware it existed. Thanks, D, for the heads up!

    My bad, I typed TGK instead of PT.

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    I've hit with the TGK231.2 and .3, and they are both amazingly solid. They are both a bit stiffer, and obviously have a more open string pattern than the retail version. They also seemed to have a significantly higher flexpoint in the hoop than the retail version, which took a little while to get used to. The .1's are exceptionally rare, and very few tour players use them. I believe Chardy uses the .2 and Cilic the .3. There was a .2 on the 'Bay the other week, auction #300369832502.
     
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    Is there an initiation, or do you have to know a secret handshake, before you can start using a Head racquet?

    Mastering Dungeons & Dragons was easier than this... :confused:
     
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    I think this is a pretty accurate list. During tests, the E def. felt stiffet then the A, and it is is much closer to the original Pro Tour. The only other thing I would like to add is that Murray plays with the PT57A. I see his racquets all the time at the stringer when picking up ours.
     
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    Hey man, it must be the custom 57A since Murray's string pattern is 16x19
     
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    They do make the 16x19 mold. Murray could be using it. It's usually picked by players who come to HEAD from another brand.
     
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    You could be right, but a highly-esteemed poster on these boards, Ericsson, has one of Murray's racquets, and there is no code anywhere on the frame.
     
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    zspyderman, you are bang-on correct with your assessment of the E and you are also spot on correct that Murray uses a PT57A (with a 16x19 drill pattern).

    RacquetCraft
     
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    He switched at the AO back in 2008 right to the 16 19, correct? What was he using under that old I Radical PJ-was it likely just an 18X20 PT57A?
     
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    These guys go through a ton of racquets. I see his racquets all the time. The one with no code could be an early version from the time they changed the paint job to Youtek, and they got his before the production started on the new design PTs.
     
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    A few questions...

    According to this TGK231.2 would be a stiff Radical MP 16x19 however I found this code to describe a stiffer Radical MP but with a 18x20 stringpattern.

    What I've gathered:
    TGK231.1 - MG Radical MP 18x20
    TGK231.2 - MG Radical MP 18x20 (stiffer ver.)
    TGK231.3 - MG Radical MP 16x19
    TGK237.1 - MG Prestige Mid
    TGK237.2 - MG Prestige Mid 16x19
    TGK238.1 - MG Prestige MP
    TGK238.2 - MG Prestige Pro
    TGK238.3 - Prestige Pro Room (Wawrinka)
    PT10 - Prestige Classic 600
    PT57A - Pro Tour 630 (RA 53-57)
    PT57E - Pro Tour 630 (RA 58-62)
    PT161 - Liquidmetal Instinct
    PT167A - FXP Radical MP
    TGK260.1 - YouTek Radical MP
    TGK260.2 - YouTek Radical Pro 16x19
    TGK262.1 - YouTek Speed Pro
    TGK263.1 - YouTek Speed MP 16x19

    Any input???
     
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    I was not aware of those.

    And, it definitely looks like the 231.2 is 16x19, based on item number 300369832502 on the 'Bay.
     
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    anyone ever seen a microgel prestige pro that's ALL white on the inside of the throat -- no codes or writing / logos?
     
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    Get Real,,, we are all being fooled by these codes by Head. Pros really do use what they advertise....lol
     
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    You're exactly right.

    Automatix, I apologize, I miscounted the grommets.
     
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    I repeat, you're exactly right. ;)
     
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    Yep, I have....
     
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    No prob. We're all seeking the truth after all ;) I was just surprised because this info was checked by someone very knowledgeable.

    +1!!!
     
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    When HEAD changes the designs on their pro sticks, it's not a small production and it takes some effort. Some of the no-mark racquets are early versions they supply their top players with before the new paint jobs arrive for distribution for all the other pros. I don't think the codes have anything to do with the string pattern. It's more the material composit and length. Any one of those could be made into a 16x19 mold or the 18x20 mold. It really depends on what a particular player prefers.
    You can clearly see that Chardy uses the 18x20. If you look at any of Murray's pics you will see the same... Although it is concievable he had used both at one time or another to try. He goes through more racquets then anyone else.
     
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    Cool pictures. Thanks for posting. Def. a 16x19 design. Nice racquet to have.

    His new Youtek PJ is a PT57A code, and does not have his name on it...
     
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    This should settle it. LOL
    For those of you who have been loosing sleep over this, there you have it. Murray uses a 16x19 pattern.
    Thx VSBabolat
     
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    Looks like they do now... LOL
    I stand corrected. Thx
     
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    Are you sure, Murray isn't using the Youtek. He said he is trying to get used to the new feel of the frame...
     
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    Hey, What's the swing weight, static weight and the stiffness of the bridge? Some might like to figure it out before commiting to buying... LOL And what's the broken yellow line desing down the middle of it...? Does that have a special meaning...?
     
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    Yeah? Well I own a better one in San Francisco.
     
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    With the new Youtek paintjob... I've seen it
     
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