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  1. BobFL

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    Of course they have the same codes. No surprises there for me. The difference is in the material used. The molds are the same...
     
  2. dr325i

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    According to some (experts), the PT57A and the TGK238.1 and the Retails MGPMP all have the same molds, but the codes are different -- how do we explain that?
     
  3. jburton

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    Where do people get the prostock from because they are very,very hard to find in the UK.:(
     
  4. PED

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    I thought that was the whole point of a PJ. You change the paint but the stick underneath remains the same. So, Tommy Haas used to use a tgk 238 painted like an MGMP and now uses an identical tgk 238 painted to look like a YTMP or am I totally off base? :)
     
  5. BobFL

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    That is certainly one of the reasons. You can also use much better materials and keep mold and paint the same. I just do not understand how some people can say that retail and tgk feel/sound the same. The difference is dramatic.
    The material is the key here imho.
     
  6. BobFL

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    Frankly, I have no idea. I can only speculate. Maybe they want/ed to make an unambiguous separation between MiA and MiC. That does not include (again) material used in production. As I said before, according to my source from Head, TGK are made of 100% high quality graphite. No d3o, microgel etc...
     
  7. downs_chris

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    just hitting with the racquets (the TGKs), they definitely do not feel like the retail version...much more solid -- better feel...it's not even close...i definitely believe that they are made out of 100% graphite...
     
  8. dr325i

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    Exactly, plus the sound is totally different too...
     
  9. zspyderman

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    You are right. The sound is a dead givaway.
     
  10. DABEST

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    Very interesting

    Hope this helps

    dabest
     
  11. purple-n-gold

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    From another poster "The Good Kind"...sounds good.
     
  12. Muratti

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    which code is for Prestige pro 600 (red/brown)? PT10? or something else?
     
  13. dr325i

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    The PC600 mold is PT10.
     
  14. Casco

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    So how does one purchase a Pro Stock Extreme Pro, flexible version - TGK219.3?
     
  15. Shangri La

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    If the pro stock frames are different in weight, flex, sw (I presume), etc compared to the retail version, how are they still qualified as pro *stock* frame?
     
  16. Xenakis

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    Just got a PT167A which belonged to Kuerten apparently and was wondering what its history and specs are. Thread with pics here...

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=306783

    The only google results for PT167A turn up this thread and the same info on a Polish tennis forum.
     
  17. dr325i

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    Sweet racket!
    As for the specs -- you should probably tell us about it.

    As for the history, I am sure vsbabolat can chime in...
     
  18. Xenakis

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    Thanks.

    I can have a go with some specs but I'm far from an expert in such matters and I don't have any sort of scale (or anything to measure flex or swingweight etc.)

    Headsize: I'd say a 98. Same oval headshape and size as my FXP Prestige MP (I held the one over the other and they look very similar)
    Length: 27 inches.
    Balance: 310mm (not sure how many points that makes it, feels good to me anyway, I haven't taken the grip off yet so not sure how much stuff there is under the current Yonex overgrip.)
    Weight: Hard to tell without a scale but comparing to other racquets I've got I would say it's in the 335 to 350 range (feels quite light to use as most of the weight is toward the handle but holding in by the throat it feels a bit heavier than the FXP Prestige MP)
    Flex: More flexible than the FXP Prestige MP, similar to my Yonex RQiS 1 Tour so I would guess it's low 60s, lowest of high 50s (just a guess though.)
    Pattern: 18/20
    Beam Width: About 21mm
    Grip Size/Frame Features: 4 1/2 (my size, nice), frame has the flexpoint features and the ridges on the hoop that the retail Radical FXP had (not sure if they have a proper name etc)

    I'll post this in the specific thread about the frame too.
     
  19. ipitythefool

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    There was a racquet being sold as a Kuerten racquet (PT57A) but that was 27.5 inches.
     
  20. Xenakis

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    I thought Kuerten used a Prestige type frame (PT630?) so I'm guessing if my PT167A came from his brother it was one Kuerten owned or tested or something but not necessarily played proper matches with? Really not sure though.
     
  21. MichaelChang

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    I had the impression Kuerten plays a very small grip size. Yours is L4. I don't know.
     
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    The new Head Youtek Prestiges MP, have the same codes as the Microgels had?

    TGK238.1 - Youtek Prestige MP
    TGK238.2 - Youtek Prestige Pro

    ???
     
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    Just an FYI....I have been informed...by a reputable poster here whose anonymity I will protect, that the pro stock Speed PRO 18x20, 360g, < or ~59 RA does exist and can be had for the right price. I'm considering shelling out for it but I may opt for the TGK 238.x YT Prestige. Does anyone have the specs on the TGk YT Prestige?
     
  25. jemsiter

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    pics or it doesn't exist
     
  26. ryushen21

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    Normally I wouldn't question my own thread but, Pics could be whatever. You would need Pics of the frame and corresponding pics of the frame being put on an RDC to really verify that it was what it was being claimed to be.
     
  27. Matt H.

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    can YT tgk frames be bought by the public?

    i'd really like to get a tgk238.2 just to see what all the talk is about these coded frames.
     
  28. dr325i

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    Occassionally, the custom houses (**** for example) sell them to the public. Also, TW had the 237.2 on for sale for a few hours/minutes...

    Generally, the Pro Stock frames are not sold to the public.

    The TGK238.2 is the MICROGEL Prestige Pro version from the Pro Stock. I founf it to be the LEAST different version from the retail stick, although I did not spent too much time with it.
     
  29. BobFL

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    Are you serious with this question? :) There is no specs for TGK. Different people have different setups. That is the whole point about TGK line...
     
  30. downs_chris

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    have you seen that tommy haas racquet (pictures have floated around here somewhere)? the TGK238.1 code with the YT Prestige paint? are they re-using the code names? or going to the .3, .4 codes?
     
  31. ryushen21

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    I believe that I have seen several posts by users who have put their TGKs on an RDC and posted the specs. That is what I was referring to.

    Also, it was posted in this thread about the varying stiffness ratings between different TGK frames. As I am looking for flexy frames that's why i asked,
     
  32. dr325i

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    If you're looking for the FLEXY (soft) frame, I would suggest at the PT57A.
    The TGK could be harsh on your arm -- I developed shoulder issues although I believe my TGKs (came from the top Pro at the time) were stiffer ones...
     
  33. dr325i

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    From the pictures I recall, it was clear it said TGK238, but not sure if .1 or .4, could be either one, very similar in print.

    I would expect him to use the exact one he did before, just the YT PJ.
     
  34. kumat63

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    Interesting theory on the flexpoint--measure in millimeters perhaps? So do the pro-stock frames, like a TGK238.1 actually have any microgel in them, or are they all graphite/kevlar? Any ideas?
     
  35. dr325i

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    I don't think the TGK frames have any Microgel or D3O in them...
    However, the graphite composition in them is different than in the PT57/161/10 frames that are produced in Austria. The TGK frames are produced in China, most likely in the Hong Kong high end factories that utilize better QC and better materials.
     
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    Makes sense... why does head make some pro frames in Austria and some in China? Is the production capacity too small in Austria to make them all, how many pro frames are they making in a year do you think?
     
  37. ae1222

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    I put mine on the RDC machine and posted the results on here somewhere, my TGK 238.1's were at 63 and so was my PT57E, but my PT57A's are at 58. I haven't had time to put my Speed Pro 262.1 on the machine yet, once I do get a chance I will post results. Just by feel I am guessing in the 63-65 range.
     
  38. kingdaddy41788

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    Where can I get one of these??
     
  39. ipitythefool

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    Just as a side info: I had both PT57A & PT10 strung with same strings at same tension. Feel-wise, they were exactly the same to me. Same exact ping. So most likely the same materials used for both PT57A and PT10.
     
  40. ninjatennis

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    what would be the difference between a tgk microgel pj versus a tgk youtek pj? would they be the same since they're supposed to be both made of only 100% graphite. the only difference being the paintjob?
     
  41. ipitythefool

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    If you were to ask me, logically thinking, Head will eventually minimize the manufacturing operations in Europe and move everything, including pro room facility, to China/Asia.

    So, perhaps soon PT series will have become obsolete and extinct? I don't know. Now how will that affect the value of the PTxx sticks? I hope not by much LOL :)
    Because, judging by so many TGKs being used now, it seems like TGKs will take over the PTxx sticks. I hope I am wrong lol.

    Any opinions on this topic? Will PT57s, PT10s, PT161s etc become extinct soon?
     
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    Well the link you gave is for Wilson sticks, VS. But I know, when HEAD is being talked about, you are our guru with the most reliable info :) Thanks for the info and glad to know Head Pro Room will stay where it is.

    But as far as the PTxx sticks go, do you think they will eventually be replaced by the TGKs? Thanks in advance.

    Edit: Have you come across any pics of the Head Pro room as well?
    Edit2: After reading the article you linked, it just appears like, Roger IS using the Pro Staff Tour 90, assuming he has been getting a PJ on his racquets ever since they created the PST90 for him.
     
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  45. ipitythefool

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    Thanks again.
     
  46. Xenakis

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    I've got a bit of something loose inside my PT167A so I tried taking the buttcap off to see if it would drop out (I can hear it falling down into the handle.)

    But there is a plastic/silicon type stuff blocking the end and it doesn't seem to want to go anywhere.

    I tried taking the pallet off to see if I could get more leverage on it but still not sure if I should have more of a go at it.

    BTW the code on the hairpin (?) is H22167A1P
     
  47. Xenakis

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    Oh and there's a barcode on the sticker too with the numbers 3094933 below it (not sure if any of this interests anyone but I thought I might as well add the info here just in case.)
     
  48. Xenakis

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    The only other way I can think of to get this loose piece out is to cut the strings out and take the grommets off and hope it falls through the holes.
     
  49. dr325i

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    Good stuff!
    The pt57s have similar codes under the pallets - H22057A... So, that most likely confirms the same factory.
    The TGKs simply have the the TGK238.1 for example code on the frame, just like the retail sticks.

    The latest I have heard is that the Pro Room (Head) will remain in Austria, but that the production of the PT frames will end, and everyone will be moved to the TGKs and there will be no more production in Austria.
    The Pro sticks, just like now, will be finished at the Head Pro room
     
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    Yes they will, that's why they've made the TGK's.
     

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