Head Elite Pro (CAP)

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  1. Dino Lagaffe

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    You only got 89 pieces? :shock:

    Here are the specs of my CAPped Elite Pro:

    Weight: 352/12.42
    Flex: 52
    SW: 324
     
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  2. Bud

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    Lol... I didn't realize the Elite Pro had those brittle grommets. My Elektra Pro grommets weren't brittle.
     
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    Hee hee! Yes, for some reason the darker colours of Head's grommet plastics (including the Elektra's grey) from the 1980's were softer and less prone to brittleness and cracking.
     
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    This post made me dig out my own elite pro, it's now back in my tennis bag after so many year, ready for my next match! This was the racquet of my youth, bought it from my tennis teacher who was sponsored by head back then (in france).
    And I found out that I too have a couple original grommets sets, preserved in the original plastic bags. nice!!
     
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  5. craniopath

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    TK82S for elite pro

    Is it possible to install newer head pallets on the elite pro or the hairpin dimensions are different?
    thanks
     
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  6. retrowagen

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    The grip pallets from any era Prestige Mid will fit your Elite Pro's hairpin.
     
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  7. itr

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    Umm I’m new what does caped mean. I was given one of these racquets from my old tennis coach it was the best racquet I’ve used, but very fragile since the top half of the hoop is skinnier then the rest of the racquet unlike the prestige pros. I was so sad when the racquet went pear shaped, but luckily I found a replacement on **** but it never felt right, i never used to need a damper in my old one but the one i purchased had a ping that annoyed me. Anyone else got a spare one of these racquets?? btw what are pallets?
     
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  8. craniopath

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    the top of the hoop where the half (1/3?) cap sits is about 1mm thinner than the rest. It's as if 1mm is shavef off from the top, sides and inside of the hoop is the same. which is probably designed to let the cap sit lower as one of the members mentioned, I guess also the reason for the relative fragility of the frames?

    that doesn't makes sense to me from a production perspective. it would require new molds for the racquets sincce they cannot use prestige pro mold, also they needed to produce these weird half caps just for these two (elite, elektra) racquets. No wonder they were short lived.
     
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  9. craniopath

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    with reference to post #12, is not advised to have two piece string on the elite pro?

    also, what is a good tool to cut cap grommets? I tried using a box cutter and as much as I managed it's not very precise and difficult to cut in a straight line.

    best
     
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  10. retrowagen

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    My mistake - this frame should be strung two-piece ONLY. :oops:

    I have cut many of them with one of these (substituting a curved blade for the one pictured):
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  11. craniopath

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    what is the suggested string tension range for this racquet?

    retrowagen you wrote "Also, as with other "thinbeam" HEAD models, care must be taken when stringing, as the shape of the head can deform if strung hybrid or with varying tension between mains and crosses." do you mean prestige mid racquets by "thinbeam" Head models, I thought prestige mid are supposed to strung two piece. or is it ok to string two piece but with the same string and same tension?
     
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  12. craniopath

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    what is the suggested tension range for elite pro?
     
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    my collection

    Hi guys,

    This is my first post in long time. I just found 2 mint head classic (elite pro and comp pro) with wrapper still on the grips. How do I post pictures?

    Best regards,

    William
     
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    Thank you vsbabolat. Have you ever hit with either of wedge elite pro or the comp pro? I want to try and hit with them but feel bad to string these up. I use mg prestige mid as my main stick.
     
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  17. jkm07

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    I've been stringing my PC600s (both red and green/silver) and i.Prestige mids with two-piece hybrid stringing (Main-SPPP @ 53; cross-syn gut @ 58). I haven't had a problem with warping on my Klippermate. I have an Head Elite Pro coming in next week and I'm going to try it out with these same specs. We'll see how it goes...

    Mounting is extremely important with Head racquets, even more so with a two-point mount like K-mate. Once the racquet is mounted I pull the vise bracket outwards just a bit and tighten the U-bolts with pliers. This should stabilize the racquet.
     
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  18. craniopath

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    I'm anxiously waiting for the results
    best
     
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    Just finished stringing the racquet with the same specs above (and TK52 instead of the white half-CAP). Everything turned out well!
     
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  20. craniopath

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    capping question

    I have installed cap grommets on my elite pro and have it strung this week. I was expecting the cap grommets to be a perfect fit but to my surprise there is about a 2mm opening between the grommet strip and the body of the racquets all around the head. The sides are not flat but slightly concave, well hence the width of the grommet strip felt a little short and unperfect fit. Well I have never handled a prestige mid racquet but I expect this is not the case. I assume the grommet channel (?) of the elite pro is slightly deeper than prestige, well at least that could explain it.

    Anyways I wonder whether this has been the experience of people who have capped their racquets.

    I have it strung with mantis comfort synthetic(23k)/ forten sweet 16(22k). I haven't hit with it yet, fingers crossed for tomorrow, but have been playing around with a tennis ball at home and it makes a much fuller (thicker?) sound compared to my vantage 90, without a dampener. With wilson ying yang dampener elite pro makes a much more subtle sound, as if it is indifferent to the ball :)
     
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  21. boinz

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    what's the static weight of your fully CAP'ed Elite Pro? I've seen one that's over 360grams strung with syn gut and still on the old white bumper guards (and over grip)... making it heavier than a Prestige Pro of the same era.
     
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  22. craniopath

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    I have no idea, unfortunately I don't have a scale that is accurate enough. Dino has kindly shared the RDC output for his racquet, in the first post, have you seen it? Swingweight is not really that high. I thought cap first, trim later :)
     
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  23. Tennis Man

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    I capped a few of them. I usually pre-fill the gap with lead tape. It worked for me.
     
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  24. boinz

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    I found a pair of Eilte Pros sometime back, one nicely CAPPed and the other still on original white bumpers and unstrung.
    Somehow I never did enjoy playing with the Elite Pro that is CAPPed which I tot it is too heavy.
    Well, the strings snapped finally... and I found some 6g of lead under the CAPs. After removing I managed to weigh the frame with CAPs. It is 350g unstrung! My other frame with the white bumper weighed 335g.... So CAPPing adds an additional 15g???
    thats alot of weight to the head.

    FYI, these CAP are TK52
     
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  25. Foxtrot

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    I bump this thred because i found a strung Elite Pro, in perfect original conditions (white grommets, white grip etc) weighting 348 g.
    The "surprise" comes with the butt cap! I found from a teared part of the Head sticker that in the circular notch of the buttcap under the sticker itself, was positioned a 1 mm thick disk of lead. This has no sharp edges and it perfectly fit the circular shaped notch.
    I'm pretty sure this is'nt a aftermarket custm but a factory craft.
    What could it be? Actually i think a weight/balance correction after final QC, or maybe a factory customized frame for a pro?
    What do you think about?
     
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  26. Foxtrot

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    i was missing, that lead "coin" its 5 grams on the scale.
     
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  27. vsbabolat

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    Post up some photos
     
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  28. BorgCash

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    I got my Elite Pro CAPped also. What are the best strings for it?
     
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  29. Foxtrot

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    Unfortunately i did'nt shot photos when taking out that lead disk and i can't now since i refitted everything in place,
    but i can give you a very significant shot.

    Here is how it should be, these frames got the stickers only in that notch, and in fact you can see the inner rim of the circular notch.
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    Here is mine,
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    In the last pic you can see that the Head sticker is in line with the external profile of the buttcap and not inside the circular notch,
    actually is glued to that "lead coin" that fills the circular notch.

    I make a little draw to explain you better how this assembly goes
     
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  30. Foxtrot

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    don't know yours, but this one is the first Elite Pro with such a buttcap "assembly" I ever seen

    [​IMG]
     
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  31. vsbabolat

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    @Foxtrot Yes, that was done at the factory. I have a Prestige Classic 600 likes this and Prestige 600 that are like that. It was done to have it within tolerances.
     
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  32. Foxtrot

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    @vsbabolat thank you, looking beside my other Elite Pro, i found another "anomaly". The one with the lead coin on the buttcap
    has also a "2" digit engraved on a beam side, over the white collar. I never found a Head "600" frame with this carachterization.
    Here a pic

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  33. joe sch

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    Another example of Heads outstanding quality control. Do you know how many different weighted coins they used ? 1..5g's ? Question targeted to VS
     
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  34. vsbabolat

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    I think I have numbers engraved on my racquets. I know I have a Graphite Pro with numbers engraved.
     
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  35. BorgCash

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    I have three Elite Pro with Prestige full caps. On two of them there are "8" digit engraved on a beam side. I think on third there is also the same story, this place just under the overgrip, i did not check it.
    Not sure if these "8" can be seen on the pictures, but they are on the racquets.

    https://www.dropbox.com/sc/fbkb09ezaj5a7jm/AAAwyOf6DkeVg4tDB3jdMOO7a
     
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  36. Foxtrot

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    I watched to the pics on your link, yes i can see the "8" number very clear in one of them. I asked for some information about this case to a great old stringer (stringed in 70's and 80's in the international pro tournaments, such as rolland garros, now he runs his own brand of strings) he said me these numbers identified a specific customization of the frame (such as lead under the sticker, bumper, etc) and was a factory made "tuning" for pro players or very special customers. He said me that in that times does'nt existed "pro stock" frames in the modern way of the term, since the Head blue-red striped (elite elektra and prestige) were already "pro line" frames, made with high technology fine materials and excellent manufacturing quality, so they needed only a end-line balance/weight tuning to reach the pro-player needed specifications. Confused about the "2" number on my frame i asked if that could be a mark for a 2nd choice frame, he laughed at my hypothesis and said me that 80s Head never released 2nd choice or out of specs frames, neither for the retail shelfs.

    Definitely, numbered "pro line" Head of that age are very similar with today "pro stock" frames.
     
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  37. BorgCash

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    Thank you, it's very interesting!
    Now i just want to know what this "8" mark mean. May be your great stringer has this information?
    In this case different digits should mean different customization as you said, so, "2" probably means a lead under the butt sticker as in your case (if i right understand), "3" - something else, etc...
    Can you please ask him for this information if it's will be possible.Thank you.
     
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  38. BorgCash

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    Just one more thing. As you can noticed my racquets are unstrung. What strings do you use on your Elite? And how it plays compare to PC 600? Is it softer or something else special? Thank you.
     
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  39. vsbabolat

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    I have 2 Made in Austria Special Edition Pro with 276 engraved on one and on the other has 057 engraved on the side of the other one
    I'm checking more of my frames. Made in Austria Graphite Pro has 176 engraved.
     
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  40. retrowagen

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    My Elite Pros have various 3-digit numbers imprinted on them. Other Graphite Pros, Club Pros, Team Pros, Comp Pros, and Masters and other Austrian- and US-made Head frames I've had did too. Sometimes the imprinted digits were very faint, other times, a bit deeper or more crisp.
     
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  41. Foxtrot

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    Yes you understood right, mine has a 5grams lead coin under the sticker, but maybe has other customizations still i have not found and maybe i'll never find because I keep that 2 numbered frame just for personal collection. I asked to that great stringer the same question you just wrote, but he told me that even for someone who worked in Head factory of that time could be difficult to retrieve a so specific information because it's unlikely that Head still keeps 80's frames pro-tuning schedes in her archive.

    I have 2 Elite Pro. The numbered one and another one in poor paint and grommet conditions, in the last one the old white nylon grommets were almost totally brittled and kept that unstrung since I replaced them with the Prestige microgel full-CAP, and what to say..? what a frame, I'm in love with it and i just hitted today with! I never played with the red Prestige Classic 600, but I played with Prestige 600 (the silver/black/grenn-grommeted one) and brown/red Prestige Pro. Prestige 600 it's heavier, stiffer and more crisp compared with the Elite Pro. The Elite pro has a longer, "warmer" and "deeper" ball impact sensation, she gives you a full long feedback of how you're hitting the ball, and let me say it's awesome! It's definetely different, you may feel Elite Pro is less accurate and underpowered then Prestige, but I love it much more cause it's lighter (if not factory pro-tuned eheh) and softer. I stringed it on my own (i have a stringing machine and tools) with many kind of strings. Actually, i found that these frame gives it's best with natural gut, synthetic gut and modern multi-mono strings. I tried even pure monofilaments and pure multifilaments and i don't liked them, it's a huge waste to string such a frame with modern poly and co-polyester monofilaments strings because such stiff strings combined with the mid size oval of the racquet and the thick 18x20 pattern you'll get a rigid stringbed, as you're hitting with a pan, conversely with multifilaments strings you may get a too "elastic" feel, as you're hitting with "rubber" strings. I think these frames were designed to be played with natural gut and synthetic gut strings of their times, and stringed with that they give it's best.
    Actually the one in the pic is stringed with Weiss Cannon 6Star @ 24 kgs and for my tennis taste it's next to perfection. Here she is

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-...ACNA/X-KXL4TA1hE/s512-Ic42/2016-01-17-130.jpg
     
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  42. BorgCash

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    Thank you for very complete answer. I got mine three from one seller a couple of years ago with Prestige full-CAP but i din't string them yet.
    I have nearly 200 racquets and i don't play so often now, so i'm almost forget about these racquets. Now after your impressions i strongly would like to try them.
    What do you think if i string them with Gosen synthetic gut? I remember that we used these strings in the middle of 80's.
     
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  43. PT630Wannabe

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    I have an Elite Pro incoming. Looking forward to trying this racquet immensely.
     
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  44. vsbabolat

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    You're in for a real treat!
     
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    yea gosen synguts are a true classic, but i suggest you to try a modern multi-mono string, they're more performing than synguts, but it's also a matter of personal taste
     
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  46. joe sch

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    I recommend natty gut on the mains. Reward yourself and the payback will be awesome !
     
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