Head Extreme Pro 2.0 - what strings are you using?

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  1. cartel

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    to clarify that -- lol :)

    i first assumed when you were comparing that you were considering switching the cyclone between mains to crosses -

    if your doing cyclone mains on both 44-40 compared to 40-44 then i would think the 40-44 should work better as the reverse would basically make the crosses like 9 lb less instead of 4lb more..

    since the poly should be 10% LESS and at 44 we add the 10% that it makes up for its effectively 48.5lbs then 40 crosses ,, thats a large spread --

    if i have this right :idea:
     
  2. nytennis-74

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    Sorry for not being clearer. As for the Psycho, I am going to drop that. It feels stiff and prefer the solinco/Vanquish hybryd. Before I settle on te latter, I would like to give the Solinco TB18 another try as a full bed. I was asking about full bed poly tension. Is 40/44 softer than 44/40? Thanks
     
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    i would think the full poly the softer feel would be with the 40-44..

    theres another poll now on for whether to string crosses lower or higher -- so far the crosses higher seems more popular
     
  4. nytennis-74

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    I strung Tour Bite 18 at 40-44. Testing tomorrow evening. Then will re-test Yonex PTP but this time 120 at the same tension and hopefully either one will stick.
    Thanks for the input.
     
  5. Big John

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    What about the effect on the shape of the head of the racquet? I thought that the reason that people were stringing looser on the crosses (especially on flexier racquets was to try and keep the shape of the head from becoming elongated? There was also the argument about this increasing snap back?

    I've never tried tighter crosses personally, always gone looser in the crosses or at the same tension for both mains and crosses. I'll give it a go.

    The extreme might be a good racquet for this experiment as it isn't mega flexy in the head, so should hopefully retain most of its shape I guess?
     
  6. nytennis-74

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    John
    Big Kahuna may better answer. In the meanwhile, I found that there are different opinions on how you should string mains and crosses.
    Generally, however, pros string crosses 2lbs lower in hybrids and at the same tensions as mains in full bed. The thought on higher cross tension stems from the fact that pros get each cross pulled for 30 seconds during their string jobs and we don't (see Guts and Glory article provided by Big Kahuna).
    Since I want to see if I can lenghten the life of Tour Bite, I thought it would make sense as a higher tension cross should support the mains.
    Finally, as everything is subjective, I figured I would try and see if it works for me. Looking forward to testing it tonight.
     
  7. Big John

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    Thanks very much for your help Nytennis, greatly appreciated. I'm lucky I guess to have the Wilson Baiardo at home so I can do the longer pulling on crosses, pre-stretch etc.. How did your play test go?

    Have you tried pre-stretching? This seems to be the current trend with polys to reduce the drop off. Many of the new polys as I'm sure you're aware like 4g are pre-stretched, this means they have less pop and need to be strung lower again, but maintain their tension better? I'd say for instance 4G Rough (not sure if they've released it yet?) would last longer than your Tourbite. Pre-stretched Tourbite might last longer but you'll have to string lower and it may lose that lovely zingy feeling that a fresh bed of big banger for example has for the first half hour or so?

    Rod Groom's Flex Infinity is very stiff and the grey one pre-stretched, it is also heavily textured. This allows you to go really loose but the stiffness and texture give great control. I think that is the new equation, stiffer equals more control, looser equals more spin, more elastic equals more pop but bigger drop off. Thoughts?

    Rod's made a device to measure the head of the racquet before and after stringing to make sure you haven't changed the shape of the head so he obviously believes that is important? When I restring the 285.3, I'll measure before and after.

    I hit 285.3 last night with West Gut Hexa in it (it came with it). Great stick, wonderful power on forehands and very easy to serve with.

    I suspect I'll use a non-textured poly like Kirschbaum Competition or Prince Beast in the 285.3, spin production is not an issue with this racquet from what I can see, would like to be able to flatten out serves and groundies to make the most of that wonderful pop! :)
     
  8. nytennis-74

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    Play test went great across the board. Especially liked my serve and forehands. Highly recommend the TB 18, although I may want to try to increase the tension slightly (from 40-44 to 41-45 or 42-46). At the same time, given how comfortable it felt I am going to try the TB 17 at 40-44 - if the elbow does not hurt at that tension, it may give me better playability duratiion (goal is twenty hours but will live with 15). Alternatively, if I still get less than 10hrs from solinco, I may give yonex ptp another shot at 40-44. I tried 125 gauge at higher tension and did not like it. I have some 120 and thought that at lower tension it may work (that definitely holds tension better). Feels good as I may almost have a winner.
    As for the pre-stretching, I never tried it - not even sure if my stringer does it for people and I read some poor reviews on tension maintenance for Kirshbaum.
    We will see. Let me know how your play goes
     
  9. Big John

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    Great feedback there Nytennis. I think there are a lot of stringing machines that don't have the pre-stretch function and that's why a lot of people don't offer it. Pre-stretching really does improve the tension maintenance of string but at the expense of elasticity and hence power.

    I've hit 4G Rough a fair bit and it holds its tension very well but is obviously lower powered than non pre-stretched polys.

    It seems to me that stiffer strings seem to hold their tension better than softer ones but I could be wrong here.

    I suspect that if string life is a significant concern, a pre-stretched stiffer, textured poly, strung loose, would last the longest. Hopefully the lower tension would mean it is still ok on the arm. I'm not so sure about softer, more elastic, non-textured poly strung loose, ok if there is plenty of pace on the ball but making pace for me is difficult?
     
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    Thanks for the feedback on stretching John. Spoke to the stringer and he can do it if I want to. I want to see if I can live without it at least for now since I would not want to go through the whole tweaking process again after having tried about 15 different set ups in the past three months. I am playing with TB17 and TB18 this weekend and we'll see if have a clear no regrets no elbow pain winner.
     
  11. The Big Kahuna

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    Yes it will. Most string experts will tell you the MAIN strings account for about 80% of the feel of the racquet bed (so that is why it is normally a wate in a hybrid to use gut is the crosses - those strings are really there simply to support the string bed and only account for about 20% of the overall playability). Your "effective" playability has more to do with the tension and type of main string than the crosses.
     
  12. The Big Kahuna

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    P.S. Assuming a full bed of poly. Yes.

    Hybrids are different depending on the types of string in use.
     
  13. The Big Kahuna

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    I have been playing with the PTP 120 at 38/42 and loving it!

    I have two other racquets in the bag strung with PTP 120 - one at 41/45 and the other at 44/48 - and go to those depending on the weather and who I am playing. That said, my first stick out of the bag these days is the 38/42. I am loving the feel and pocketing and added pop.

    I may try one at 35/39 or 36/40 and see how that goes next.
     
  14. cartel

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    wow - cracking that 40lb barrier!..

    tried psycho tonite - at 46/ 50 cyclone in mains--
    also did cyclone .sweet 17 at 47/50..

    the psycho seemed to have a bit more power but not all that much more than the cheapo hybrid-- hit for 90 min and rotated back and forth-- the one thing that i cant compare is i put a new TW leather grip on one then new tacky overgrips on both.. i definitely like the more prominent bevels on the leather racket-- so will be ordering more of those to make them all the same--

    hitting again friday so will continue the test-- my "guess" is the sweet 17 should break before 10 hours-- control was still awesome with both so i can still lower the tension some more.. havent tried serving yet.. that was 90 min of aggressive rallying..

    to order some more leather grips and will try the polytour pro 17g.. and see --
     
  15. cartel

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    kahuna--

    have you tried the PTP as a hybrid?
     
  16. nytennis-74

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    Thanks for the answers Kahuna. Cartel asks an interesting quesion. A PTP/Tourbite or PTP/ Cyclone Hybrid would be interesting.
     
  17. The Big Kahuna

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    I have not used the Yonex PTP 120 as a hybrid - although I played with various hybrids for years. Honestly, with the PTP I never felt the urge to do so in this racquet as the combination has great feel and is amazingly comfortable for a full bed of poly, and I get all the benefits in terms of a full bed of poly at the same time (better spin and control than a hybrid). The PTP almost plays like a hybrid now in terms of feel.
     
  18. nytennis-74

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    I finally got to test Yonex PTP 120 at 42-46. Excellent set up. Very nice feel for drop shots and volleys as well. Unfortunately, not soft enough for my elbow, but I would highly recommend it to any of you with better elbows than mine.
    My next test is going to be tonic+ / Co-focus and tonic+/Mosquito bite hybrids both at 52-48 (unless Big Kahuna has a different recommendation on tension).
     
  19. cartel

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    if you like PTP i would try hybrid that with a cheapo syngut..

    played couple more hours with the 2 i restrung-- on monday-- the
    cyclone /sweet 17 hybrid at 47/50 felt better than the other with psycho.. the cross the psycho uses- powerfibre2 is already fraying after 90 minutes and the sweet 17 is holding up better ?? im rotating them about every 20 minutes..

    with the full bed of cyclone occasionally i get a bit of discomfort the next day in my shoulder not so much my elbow.. the hybrid with the sweet i dont feel that at all-- i need a third racket to do a full poly on to compare at the same time-- im not totally giving up on psycho yet but so far its not better than sweet 17..

    ordering some volkl syngut while its on sale for $2 ..

    still to try PTP - next up will do the next racket at full poly of 42 / 46 to see how that compares..
     
  20. nytennis-74

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    At 42-46, I start feeling a slight elbow discomfort after half an hour (gets a bit inflamed after I finish playing). Do you think that at 38-42 the discomfort could go away or the discomfort is just a sign that I should go gut/poly hybrid? (ordered a few sets already)
     
  21. The Big Kahuna

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    Why not drop the tension on the Yonex PTP 120 down 2-3 lbs and hit again. This poly seems to maintain good control at lower tension in the racquet. Give 40/44 or - even better - 38/42 a shot (which I am playing with now in the colder temps - and loving it).
     
  22. The Big Kahuna

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    The Gut/Poly hybrid will run you about $25.-$30. a set per racquet. I think a full bed of Yonex PTP 120 strung at 38/42 will rival that in playability for $9. a set.

    Cost is another factor to consider.
     
  23. TenFanLA

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    PTP is pretty arm friendly for a poly, esp. as a cross with gut. I've used many polys as a cross with gut but so far PTP is the best in terms of performance/comfort. I've also tried PTP full bed at low tension 40lbs. It is nowhere close to the comfort of gut/ptp at 52/48.

    Low tension full bed poly feels much more comfortable than high tension but it is still full bed poly. I got a SERIOUS case of tennis/golf elbow from playing with Ext Pro and full poly at 45lbs. I had to take 1 year off and my elbow will never be back close to 100%.

    If you have arm issues I strongly recommend not going full poly and if possible, get rid of Ext Pro and go to a more arm friendly racket like Radical, Volkl, Prince, etc. It is not worth it to ruin your arm, and not be able to play tennis or even do simple things.
     
  24. nytennis-74

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    Thank you both for the valid comments and the help over the past couple of weeks. I will probably do a side by side and see how each feels and whether poly is worth the risk even if it feels comfortable at 38-42. If hybrid plays comparable I will write off the extra cost as "arm insurance" (the additional cost is probably less since I would need to string the hybrid less often).
     
  25. The Big Kahuna

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    I would totally agree. I used to play with a light racquet and a full bed of 1st generation poly at regular tensions and it killed my arm. PTP, however, is a 3rd generation poly and one of the best in terms of playability and comfort.

    That said, the only way I could get my arm to heal was to wear an elbow sleeve, go to a heavier racquet, and string my racquet with gut. After a year, I worked to a gut/poly hybrid and lost the sleeve. After two years of using the gut/poly hybrid (Pacific Classic and MSV Co-Focus 18) my arm had healed enough to go full poly (but chose the Yonex PTP 120 after a lot of research). As you know, I am very happy with the result.

    If you have arm problems, do NOT use a full bed of poly. If you do use a full bed of poly, use a racquet - like the Extreme Pro - that weighs more than 11 ozs to have enough mass to handle the stiffer string. The Extreme Pro 2.0 and a full bed of poly are well suited - especially at lower tensions.

    If you have arm problems, then DO go to a gut/multi hybrid and use a Radical Pro or Prestige Pro (in the Head line) as suggested. You need something to absorb some of the shock with some plow-through until your arm heals. Stay away from light whippy racquets in the meantime.
     
  26. cartel

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    i just strung 2 rackets last night --

    one cyclone full poly and dropped tension to 43/46..

    second racket cyclone 43 and gosen 17 syngut @47 ..

    2 weeks ago i had cyclone at 47/ sweet 17 at 50- felt good lasted 10 hours or so before cut out-- since its cold here even indoors (guessing 50) they dont heat it well.. im trying lower tension to gain some power back -

    i contemplated 40 /44 full bed but i was afraid to try it :oops:

    so dropped 3 lbs and will test tonite-- if these 2 work well then the next stringing will be at 40/43
     
  27. Viktorr

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    I used to use cyclone too but found it to be deadly on arm (verry stiff).
    Switched to PTP at 44/42 - and it was much better but still was causing some mild pain.
    Now I am using PTP/Gosen syngut 17 at 47/49 - and no arm issues at all.
    Power is not huge and less ability to spin than with straight cyclone... but control is very nice and no pain - great.
     
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    Pro Hurricane Tour at about 48 LBS is money for me.
     
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    BTW: Varying tension on cross strings.
    Any discussion of main/cross balance should include the word STIFFNESS. A racquet strung with the SAME string & tension for mains & crosses is fairly well balanced, not because the tensions are equal, but because the weave increases tension in the mains to roughly 133% = 4/3. The ratio of the width to the length of a racquet is 3/4. 4/3 x 3/4 is one! The mains & crosses are thus equally STIFF. This is a bit simplistic. The following affect main/cross balance in a hybrid: inherent string stiffness, draw tensions and tension loss. If you want perfection, measure the length of EVERY string & pull it PROPORTIONALLY!
     
  30. nytennis-74

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    After many many play tests I found a set up that works for both performance and my elbow with Babolat Tonic Mains/Mosquito Bite Crosses at 52/48 (also like with Co-Focus but Mosquito Bite feels crisper) My elbow is actually feeling better already. Thinking I may try the Wilson Gut 17 instead of the Babolat just to see how it plays but I am basically set for the next 6 months as the elbow recovers.
    At the same time, I am wondering what I should do for the "play while it drizzles" racquet as gut would probably break in the rain. Any suggestion for a non poly set-up that can sit in the bag for 3-6 months without being used much?
     
  31. TenFanLA

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    Wilson gut/MB will be even softer than Bab Tonic/MB, but will be more powerful so personally I prefer a stiffer gut in gut/poly setup. See below for alternative, from another thread:

    If gut/poly is too costly, then syn gut/poly is very good too. But if you hit hard with lots of spin, it won't last too long. I used gosen/bhbr (shaped and rough) and it broke in only a few hours. But i suspect gosen/ptp (smooth) will last longer. I may string one up for cold, wet conditions.

    Gosen/poly is not as soft as gut/poly but it still has plenty of comfort, spin and pop, and better control than gut/poly.
     
  32. KYHacker

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    You may want to consider using strings that are more of what I would classify as an internal hybrid or hybrid-like. Two good examples of internal hybrids are NXT Control and FXP Tour. Both offer a high degree of poly-like control with better comfort. Also, Wilson Red Alert (now discontinued but still available at a VERY reasonable price) performs in-between syn gut and a poly and is much more comfortable than a poly.

    You may also want to look at Gamma RZR. Our local shop has had good results with this string as it has poly-like characteristics without as much of the stiffness. I have not personally used this string although I did hit with the prototype version of this string.
     
  33. nytennis-74

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    I liked FXP Tour as a main in a hybrid. It would probably be ok full bed. Do you think that it will stay in a bag for 3-6 months and play well through that time as a back-up to my regular gut/poly hybrid (e.g. I would not expect actually using the FXP more than 6 hrs in a 6 month period). Any thoughts on Ashaway ZX Monogut to be used for the same purpose (back-up racket/6 month life)?
    Thanks
     
  34. The Big Kahuna

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    If you are hitting in light rain, I would definitely go soft as the ball gets heavy and can damage your arm - a multifilament seems like the best way to go. It will give gut like power and playabilty and be easy on the body. I like Weiss CANNON 6 Star Supercharged 16 or Techinifibre X-One Bi-Phase best.
     
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    My stringer put in BHBR 17 at 30 lbs yesterday. Tell me what's wrong with this picture:

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    I got it restrung today at 30 lbs again. Do I need to replace the grommets that were messed up? They look kinda stretched.
     
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    Wow, that is a trip - closed pattern Extreme! As one who switched from this racquet to a Prestige MP, I would be very curious how this plays. I may try it myself! I bet the strings won't last, and I'm sure you will need new grommets. Your stringer is either a genius or a moron, I'm guessing the latter...
     
  37. souledge

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    Lol.....it doesn't really do much since you're adding strings outside of the normal hitting area anyway.
     
  38. cartel

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    wow 18 x20 how did he not run out of string?

    considering this frame has dots where the mains go -- and "i am" a beginner stringer i dont see how anyone with experience could mess this up--

    i did a wilson 6.1 95 and it doesnt have marks for mains to skip and im going to do a port 100T in next day or 2 to learn-- he should be able to read the throat and count:)
     
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    Well that is a good point, but the string bed would certainly play differently as the strings are tighter and closer to the edges. I was half kidding half morbidly curious. Sounds like he already cut it out, so too late for the play test anyway.
     
  40. nissrro

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    I use Solinco tour bite in my Extreme pro's. Strung at 44 LBS. Thinking of going a little bit lower now though..
     
  41. nytennis-74

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    On TB 17, 40 mains 44 crosses felt great.
     
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    BHBR at 30 works real good.
     
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    I use Luxilon ALU Power 16L at around 55 pounds. Great power but I'd like a little bit more feel. I was thinking of 4G. What would you recommend? Another string or higher tension? Thanks in advance!
     
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    Ashaway kevlar 17/syngut hybrid @ 31/36. Excellent feel but very inconsistent ball launch angles as the mains were moving all over the place. Too bad really as this combo offered the best feel so far.

    Kirschbaum spiky black shark 17 @ 36/39. Excellent spin and control. Will have to try this with tighter tension. This rivals my favourite setup of YPTP 1.2 right now.
     
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    ^ Try reversing your tensions. I play Ashaway 16 Kevlar with Poly Hybrids at 38/33. With a very stiff poly cross (like RPM Team) or (Kirschbaum Pro Line X) the launch angle is very predictable. RPM is actually a little low right of the stringer but it improves after an hour or so of hitting. Pre-stretch your poly too!! Makes it much more consistent.
     
  46. veecee

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    Volkl V-Torque mains @ 50lb with Gosen OG Micro @ 54lb - both 16g. I still get excellent spin with the shaped poly main but a much softer response and a bit more pop. I love serving with this but still spray the odd ground stroke if I get lazy and just punch the ball without much action. Could do with a bit more feel on drop shots but I'm nitpicking. Overall I really enjoy this combo.

    Might try Spiky in the mains next time to see what the difference is.
     
  47. Tennis_Fever

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    Previous set-up: MSV Focus Hex Soft 17 @ 58#

    Next set-up will be Volkl Psycho 17 Blk/Slv @ ??? Can someone recommend a good tension for this hybrid? Going with poly mains and multi crosses. Thanks!
     
  48. Tennis_Fever

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    What is the best full-bed poly string for this raqcuet? I am looking for something with spin and control (obviously) and high durability and tension maintenance. Leaning towards ALU Power. Thoughts?
     
  49. mbrenner

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    Try Gamma IO. I have it strung at 52lbs and it plays great. Power, spin, excellent pocketing for increased control.
     
  50. veecee

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    Full bed of Volkl V-Torque ticks all those boxes. It tames the power of this racquet really well. I'm not very strong so I ended up hybriding with syn gut.

    Cyclone is pretty good as well but tension maintenance is not as good as V-Torque.
     

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