Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by dincuss, Mar 26, 2010.
QC must be crazy good there...
They do the same in China and I guess any other country which produce tennis rackets.
This is why I hate Head as a company. The pros can get the high quality racquets made in Austria but the everyday rec player can only get the sheet made in China.
And with Wilson the pros can get the sheet made in China as well as a rec player.
What makes you think "made by hand" is better? Machines seem more dependable than most of the people I know.
Head is from Austria?
Sure. What did you think?
60 frames a year get broke? Surprising, considering he rarely makes it past the 2nd round in tournaments.
He breaks them during practice then! :twisted:
That's probably why...
I have posted before photos of the Head factory in Austria. If there is interest I will post them again.
Compare this to that Prince video in China..........
Wow! Really awesome stuff there!
thank you very much vsbabolat,really very interesting
great photos VS Babolat!
loved the photos...I worked for Head 1989-96, Had my own sports agency In Oz. Always wanted to visit the factory in Kennelbach. Interested to know vs did you manage to get a tour there? Or are the photos from another site?
There's a post somewhere in the racquet forum that has footage of the Prince factory.
Exactly the same stuff, mostly handmade.
I'm looking for the link.
Edit; Found it: http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=105298276165511&ref=nf
Anyone got the link to the video of the prince factory when it posted a few months back?
Why hate head because of that? Why waste more money on people who are the targets of the market as opposed to people who are advertising the product. Also it takes so much time do you know how much money they would lose? Besides a handful of the people on the board, no one really is good enough to need complete matched and high grade racquets.
When they had the microgel line, if you bought the Instinct, about 1/2 of them were still made in Austria. I don't believe any other model was. I'm a dealer, and it just seemed that some came from China and some from Austria. Anyone else aware of this?
i really wish china could make quality products
ALL tennis racquets are made mostly by hand no matter where in the world they are made, be it in China or Austria or anywhere else. That's one major reason why it's so much cheaper for companies to make them in China because the manufacturing process is so labor intensive and labor is cheap in China.
yep, there's a video floating around of a Chinese factory where they're building Prince frames. I was really amazed at how much manual labor goes into a frame from beginning to putting on grips to the guy who sits there all day and puts the dot in the 12 o'clock between the first two mains.
There's also a Wilson "infomercial" that they show during commercial breaks on Tennis Channel that talks about how Wilson develops new frames from the initial engineering to the prototype testing to the manufacturing and they mention that most people think that tennis racquets are made by machines when in fact they are mostly made by hand.
I guarantee that what is wrong with our games wouldn't magically get better with a racket made in Austria.
make it into a Pepsi challenge....we wouldn't know the difference
These pics can be found on the Head media database if you have an access.
I can agree to this. I played Head stock frames and I have TGK sticks now. There are only two differences: First you can get rackets that are not sold as a YT Prestige MID in 695mm length (as I have and what is the reason that I don't use stock frames). And second at Kennelbach they don't put (that much) lead inside the handle before baking the racket. They fill silicone into the grip which gives the racket a different touch.
They do, for instance I am pretty sure you are writting from a computer made in China.
Fischer racquets had amazing quality control - they were made in China. Head racquets, the ones previously made in Austria, had terrible quality control. Don't listen to amateurs talk here about chinese and austrian racquets. They don't know racquets, they don't know the manufacturing process and they don't know what quality control means.
To be honest, I prefer the old racquets because I love the graphite/twaron feel. That has nothing to do with China or quality control. The decision to make "poor quality" racquets lies with the racquet company, not the country.
Where anything is made has no bearing on the quality.
LOL oh really??
yes, really. What is your insight?
I am inclined to agree. The Austrian made racquets were prone to losing their shape. They were also prone to collapse between string holes. I've always thought of that as a design flaw, but since moving their manufacturing to China, Head's racquets have been worlds better in this regard.
Well, I have had many many years of experience with Austrian made racquets. In that time I only had one frame that cracked due to it being defective. While 3 out of the 4 Microgel Prestige I had crack in the same spot at the shaft just above the grip. On the Youtek Prestige Mid I have 1 that is cracking in the same spot as the Microgel Prestige.
The China made frames still go round if mounted incorrectly on a 6 point mounting system and or strung from throat to head which was the same situation with the Austrian made frames. I don't think quality improved or got worse.
Never, Never have I had a Austrian Made frame collapse between string holes.
I guess I have very different experiences than you guys........
You've never noticed something like this?
I had 3 austrian made radicals and let me tell you they were the worst QC ever. All 3 played basically like different racquets. Swingweight was different, impact felt different, weight was different . . . I have 2 youteks and both play identically.
The improvement may have to do with more advanced machines that the rackets are made on rather than where they are actually made.
Which Youtek does he use ?? and do they make his racket specially for him on the side ?
It's not about how "good" you are it's about what is advertised and what is sold. When you get a 4pts head heavy K6.1 95 or a 370g strung Prestige MP you don't need to be that good to be pissed off that the specs say "320g unstrung" and you get this crap. It's also unfair when they say someone plays with a Radical for example but his radical is hand-made with top quality control whereas the radical you buy has been made in a Chinese sweatshop factory, and the pro using a Radical would rather use a racquet from a less well known European-based company if he wasn't paid to lie.
Still, your game will be more likely to improve with a quality frame that suits you and that you've customized for yourself
Agree. Even on the tour. I strung for a top 100 player who was using the APD. Six racquets varying in weight from 322 to 329 gms and varying in swingweight from 306 to 322.
I'm so glad to see holes being blown into the whole myth of the "customized" racquet making such a huge difference. It's like the guys killing themselves to put the Head Prestige grommets on their Wilson frame or whatever. You can spend your time tinkering all day long with your sticks, guys, but the truth is that even the most discerning player at the highest level probably can't tell the difference between a frame that weighs 320 grams and one that weighs 310. If you think you can, it's probably all in your head. Again, it's fine if you want to have fun customizing your frames, but don't try to convince the rest of us that it really makes a world of difference. Because it doesn't.
Great video! I always wondered where my TGKs were made. Now I know. Man I love that forehand at 2:41. Lol I think that was a 100mph forehand.
I agree; Fischers from Austria or their Chinese subcontracting OEM were both excellent in terms of fit, finish, and consistency of spec.
Having had (and played at a fairly high level) literally dozens of Austrian-made Heads from 1986 through present, I disagree.
This is a valid post here.
But are those rackets customised ?
If yes, by who?
In this case, those values are far away... to much difference bettwen them.
But you are right, most ATP players have different specs in theyr rackets, close ones but still different.
I once spoke to Nalbandian at RG, and he told me that he was getting some trouble with some rackets, because they feel somehow different from eachother. At that time he was using just 3 rackets, and other 5 rackets ware not used...
But again, pro's rackets only differ in quality control, and specific points for flex. That is why they feel different.
All materials used are the same.
But someone sell them at higher prices... a fool and his money...
My Bosworth Rossignol is made in China. It is very solid and tough and almost every ball that I hit with it just feel very solid. It feels as if it's been really carefully designed with attention to details.
Which Rossignol is it?
I agree somewhat with you. I've used the PT 280, Original Radical, I radical, iprestige, fxp prestige, prestige classic 660 and the youtek prestige. fxp and on were china racquets. I found their tolerances to be quite good. The PT 280 was ok, but I series were better in QC. the original radical was terrible. the racquet I got was significantly head heavier than specs.
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