Head Graphene Radical Pro

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  1. TennisManiac

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    I'm debating whether or not to demo this stick next. Can anyone offer their experiences with this racquet? And how it performs in comparison to the IG Prestige Pro?
     
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    Pain in my arm, hollow feeling, pain in my arm, stiff, pain in my arm, tennis elbow, cancer in my arm… Did I mention my arm hurting!? :mad:




    In all seriousness, the new Radicals are the closest thing to toxic a Head racquet has ever been and their feel has been downgraded to make it feel like playing with a hollow frying pan. I hated this racquet.

    In comparison to the IG Prestige Pro… More power, forgiveness and spin. Everything else goes to the Prestige Pro and it is a much much much more rewarding racquet (and my arm doesn't feel like it's being operated on without anesthetics/analgesics). I'd take a IG Prestige Pro with the cheapest synthetic gut over the G Radical Pro with premium natural gut.
     
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  3. burn1986

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    Head had some kind of problem with the Graphene Radical and Prestige lines. I'm not sure what kind of mistake made them rush to production, but there was some mistake at the factory. Because these racquets did not come out the way they were supposed to. They're horribly flawed. Something happened with the Graphite/ Carbon Fiber mix maybe when it hardened, or cooled. The result is an intense, vibrating, unyeilding aluminum racquet that sends shock waves directly to the arm. It is incredible at how fast it deteriorates the arm, wrist and shoulder. The Radical is a little worse than the Prestige on arm toxicity, but the Prestige is very close.

    I haven't heard of anyone having success taming the vibs with grips, strings, or dampeners.
     
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  4. colan5934

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    In my opinion, it's a great frame. Big spin and power. Good stability for the weight. It is a bit stiff, but I didn't find any discomfort. It hits a big ball for its lighter weight too. Definitely a "modern" racquet. The weight at the tip and butt of the racquet give it a unique feel that takes some time to get accustomed to if you're not used to it. For me it's like a solid-feeling pure drive with more control. It seems like quite a few people have had arm problems, but many variables can factor into that including technique, fitness, age, string type/tension, etc. That's not to say that the racquet isn't the cause of their arm problems, but it also doesn't mean that it will cause you arm pain.

    I am switching back to my trusty Pure Storm Tours simply because the Radical isn't as big of an improvement over my past sticks for me to switch.
     
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    Why does everyone keep using that term "modern feeling racquet"?!

    I know we're not using wood or the Pro Staff 85s anymore, but when did the modern feel begin and the regular/classic feel end? What material creates modern feel? Graphene?! Graphene feels like extra aluminum in the frame. I would say the Babalot Aeropro and PD have a modern feel just from the way they hit, but adding Graphene to these (or whatever Head did to them) would ruin them and make them feel like the Rads and Prestiges - aluminum, metal, and pinny.

    No harm in demoing, though. I did, and was able to hit excellent high forehands. It was cool for awhile, and then my arm and shoulder went down after about a week.
     
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  6. TennisManiac

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    Wow.... not good so far for the G Radical Pro. :( Maybe I'd be better off demoing the older IG Radical Pro instead. :-|
     
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    The IG Radical Pro is an awesome stick!
     
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    Well, for what its worth, Tennis Warehouse is doing a special - demo 4 Graphene racquets for a dollar and get a free can of Penn balls. I'm demoing the Prestige MP, Speed MP, Instinct MP, and Radical MP. Oh well, I'll have fun with these for about a week. Hopefully my arm won't fall off. I needed a new can of balls. :cool:

    IMO the Speed MP is probably the best of the Graphenes. Its certainly worth a try. It still vibrates like crazy, but may be worth some tinkering.
     
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    agree! The Speed plays quite nicely, fun frame to hit with.
     
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    That's why I put modern in quotes. I didn't really mean modern-feeling. More like modern-playing. I would qualify it as stability and maneuverability to go along with an emphasis on power and spin. Pure Drive and AeroPro Drive are in that mix as well. My take is that "modern" racquets are those that lend their playing characteristics to the modern game: more emphasis on spin and power versus control and comfort, bigger headsizes, thicker beams, and open patterns leading to larger sweetspots/sweetzones. Midsize racquets are simply too heavy and demanding these days for the younger players who build their games on spin and power. That's not to say that effective tennis cannot be played with them, but they aren't what sells anymore. Everyone is buying tweener-esque racquets now. Go to a junior tournament, and you'll see so many AeroPro Drives, Pure Drives, Speeds, and Juices. Even at the pro level, there is a trend toward midplus headsizes and lighter weights, especially on the WTA.

    I agree that many of the newer frames from HEAD are not great, especially the lighter ones. The speeds, save the Pro, are tinny, the new Prestige MP is a step back for me, and the new Rev Pro is horrendous. But, I love the Radical Pro. The only reason I'm not switching to it is because I don't think I can get completely accustomed to it before my season begins in the fall. I would rather work on my game with my current stick than have to adjust to a new racquet while working on my game.
     
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    I love playing with the graphene radical pro...my arm does not. I was switching between the GRP and a Pure Drive and after a game or two, my arm would hurt with the head but would be fine with the Pure Drive.

    The GRP plays much harsher than the numbers would indicate.
     
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    I guess my irritation with "modern feeling racquet" is mainly directed at Head since that is what they were trying to achieve and failed completely. It's funny because Babalot was trying to achieve more of a classic type feel with the Strikes (probably aimed at the Blade, with the Tour was aimed at the Prestige) also a huge fail. Why have the Blades been so effective? Because they updated their existing frame instead of trying to make it feel like something it's not.

    I have 2 kids who play Jr tennis here in LA. And you're right, there were some Babalot racquets, but there was also about three kids using the IG Prestige MP and several of them using the Blade 93. One kid was using a Pro Kennex racquet that looked to have a smaller head (a purple or maroon color) but I don't know what kind it was. I only saw one Speed Pro, and no Graphenes and no Strikes. The kid with the Blade 93 was kicking some butt. We left before the final so I don't know who won.
     
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  13. vegasgt3

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    The Graphene Radical MP is not too stiff feeling, much better than the PRO in feel and comfort. 64 stiffness.
     
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  14. stronzzi70

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    Great stick? Too flexy, too powerfull, average control .
    This is no awesome stick IMHO.
     
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  15. SpinToWin

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    Flexy? I love it, that's what a Radical is. Radicals never were stiff in case you haven't noticed.

    Powerful? Not really, a lower powered string easily reigns in the power.

    Control? See the above.


    A racquet line stands for something specific and you expect that from it. The Radicals always were (more or less) flexy sticks, but Head has betrayed long-time users of the line of racquets with the Graphene update. The same is true for the Prestige line of racquets, whose trademark feel has disappeared with the Graphene update. Based on your comment you are not a Radical guy and there's nothing wrong with that. You would be more of a Speed, Extreme or Instinct player. But with the updates, what are players used to and loyal to conventional Prestiges and Radicals supposed to play, hmmm? The racquets by Head have become too similar between models, leaving a broad range of players without options in Head's line up. People who want a stiff stick usually get a Babolat, not a Head Radical or Prestige.
     
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    With this racquet I think it is all a matter of opinion.

    Flexy, powerful and a tight string pattern for a sixteen mains.

    If you like that recipe you can find the control.


     
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    We're still talking about the Graphene Rad Pro, right? It's hardly flexible. If people like it, they have bionic arms. Just sayin
     
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  18. stronzzi70

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    Off course radical guy : zebra mp , TGk 231.3, PT 161 A ect
    Ig radical pro not too bad , but never awesome like your said .
     
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  19. SpinToWin

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    That is subjective. There are people who call the APD the best racquet around whereas others would rather stop playing tennis than take a hit with that racquet.
     
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  20. Jim A

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    In the past the Radicals were a bit too flexy for me and I'm not a big customizer. That said I really enjoyed the 16*19 version of the Pro. I think people new to the Radical line will probably like it better than those who have used prior versions.
     
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    While I only demoed the racket for 25 minutes.. and despite being a big Head fan... I have to agree with the assessment of the graphene radical pro.. After only a few hits I noticed pain in my arm, more even in my wrist.. I have never had this with a racket.. Must admit it was a demo racket, so maybe it was the string.

    I would go with the IG radical (pro or no pro)..

    I just bought a couple IG Radicals and added lead at 3 and 9. I didn't go for the Youtek because that racket has a real tinny hollow feeling to it.
     
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  22. Steve Huff

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    The 1st Graphene Radical MP I tried was just as Burn1986 said. It sounded like an aluminum frame with a broken throat piece. I just knew it was cracked somewhere, but I couldn't fine a blemish on it. It hit ok, but that sound. Haven't tried one since. Hope it was just an early production problem. It did have some extra power when blocking back serves etc that I wasn't expecting. I'd hit shots that I just knew were in the net, but they somehow found their way over. But, I just couldn't get past that vibration-like sound. Maybe I should give a newer one a try.
     
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  23. vsbabolat

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    I had the exact same experience as you!
     
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    The Graphene Rad pro hurt my wrist like no other racket. I've never had pain in my wrist from tennis outside of this racket.

    -Fuji
     
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    Did you try it capped?
    Was it still painful with cap grommets if you did try it?
     
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    The Caps add something crazy like 25g to the Head and made the balance 3-4 points HH. A recipe for even more wrist pain. It makes the balance waaaay too HH, so I had no interest of even trying it capped.

    -Fuji
     
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  27. MarcusInKensington

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    I went in to Wigmore Sports in central London a few weeks ago to demo the new Prestige & Radical models. The store manager advised me against it as they are so poor in comparison to other similarly spec'd racquets on the market.

    When someone who makes money from selling racquets tells you not to bother with them you know you have a dog of a racquet on your hands.
     
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  28. DonDiego

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    Absolutely.

    I played a year with the Youtek Rad Pro (100 head, swingweight of 345 stock) and after a few weeks or months I ''tamed'' it, and I loved the ''stiff flex'' of the racquet. It really is a racquet that can make you a better player. You HAVE to play with a relaxed grip, let the racquet do the work, and be in position for every ball.

    Since I'm getting old, I figured the IG version, with its smaller head and lighter swingweight, would be a nice transition. So I bought two recently (TW sells them used at 59$, awesome deal!) and I must say they're perfect. I get almost the same plowthrough in a more maneuverable and controled package. And the radicals (Youtek and IG) are simply sublime at net. The feel is buttery without being trampoline-like.

    Tried the Graphene and it's another stick completely. It plays great, but the feel is harsh, and nothing like its predecessors. It is simply a new line of racquets by Head, and they should have given it a new name. But yeah, people who never played with radicals will like it, as long as they like stiff racquets.
     
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  29. FuzzyYellowBalls

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    My racket history:
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    Prince exo yellow one 95
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    Head Radical Pro Graphene

    I had tennis elbow for 2 years during the Prestige time so I am sensitive to that issue. Best theory I had was I was keeping poly strings too long allowing them to be "dead" and cause the problem.

    I am now using the Radical Pro with Hurricane strings, no elbow issues whatsoever. I am a 4.5 player, 6'4" 40 year old in very good shape. I think arm problems can be caused by many issues not related to rackets per say.

    I would demo this racket for anyone looking for a player's racket. For my game it added 20% power or so over the Blade 93, added a ton of maneuverability at net, and the only downside is my one handed backhand is probably 30% less powerful than with the blade, but the larger head is a better choice for a non-professional player such as myself.
     
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  30. djnemo

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    The graphene rad pros are a great fit for my game- 4.5 baseliner with western grip. Yes they are stiff and if I leave poly in too long, my elbow will let me know. But with fresh poly strung under 50 lbs or with a natural gut hybrid, it doesn't bother me and does most everything well. I played with the IG Rad Pro and it was one of the worst racquets I have played with- no feel and mediocre control. The youtek rad pro remains my favorite but is too bulky for dubs. So for now, the graphene rad pro is my daily player.
     
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  31. djnemo

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    The Tennis Warehouse review was very positive as well, so at least some people really like this racquet.
     
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  32. racquetjunkie

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    I guess I am one of those people who really like this racquet. Just a bit of history: I am a 4.0 on a good day, fairly strong physically. I used pretty flexible racquets all my life (LM Head Prestige MP, MG Radical Pro, Fischer M1 Pros, Volkl C10 Pros...etc). I played with the C10 Pros for 3 years, and as i age I wanted to get just a bit more power from my frames, and perhaps go down in weight a bit. I took my time and demoed for a few weeks and surprised myself by deciding on the Graphene Radical Pro. The Volkl Organix V1 Pro was a close second. Despite the published flex specs (68 RDC) and the full poly on the TW demo stick, I did not once have comfort issues with the GRad Pro. I typically use polys in the mains and syn gut in the crosses in all of my racquets, and I have been doing the same on the GRad Pro. I string pretty low (51lbs in the mains), and have been having good luck. Good power (more so than any of my old sticks), good control, spin, and even comfort. I have been using the GRad Pro now for 4 months and continue to enjoy it. It is definitely stiffer and crisper than all of my old sticks. Another advantage of the racqeut is the great stability and solid feel despite the relatively light weight (335g strung, vs 360+g with the C10 Pros with a bit of lead in the hoop). I have zero lead on the GRad Pro and will keep them that way. I feel like I am cheating sometimes to be honest with the extra power..... just my 2 cents, your experience may be entirely different. The GRad Pro just works for me. Hopefully this is a userful reference point for some of you.
     
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    I love the full cap since the pro+ the cap gonna be too heavy for me ..... I got the mp and put a full cap grommet.... I love the balance and I got few good result over the weekend
    Head Hawk 18g 51 and Gosen 53.... RA66
     
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  34. Supertegwyn

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    Personally love it; it feels like the Youtek but with more power and spin.
     
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    Do you have any inside knowledge about this problem? I can't tell if you're being serious or not about the claimed problems with the production.
     
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  36. B Cubed

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    I've played with PROs and MPs and haven't noticed the aluminum feel. The Pro was harsher where as the MP felt a little more Radical-esque due to some flex.
     
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    Probably it's the flex that's being felt as vibs. Speed Pro G feels much more stable than both Radical and Speed MP IG.
     
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    I wanted to do this exact mod, but it purportedly increases the swingweight by 27...meaning the MP would be 343...Yikes! Did it change the mobility significantly for you? Thanks!
     
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    I tried the G-Rad Pro for the last 2 months or so. Here are my thoughts:

    Stock, with one overgrip, vib dampner: not bad, but nothing special. Balance feels a little off. Little vibration, mild wrist irritation.

    Head Leather grip, one overgrip, vib dampner, stock grommets: Awesome! Feels very solid, very comfortable, no vibration, no irritation.

    Head Leather grip, one overgrip, vib dampner, CAP grommets: Sledge-hammer. Heavy wrist irritation, shoulder irritaion, back, neck, etc...would not recommend at all.

    Stock grip, with one overgrip, vib dampner CAP grommets: as above, unless you have titanium shoulders and wrists, would not recommend.

    Tested with Head Sonic Pro Edge 16 @ 52lbs and Head Hawk @ 52lbs.

    I think i will be going back to my F2 Tours - haven't found anything like them yet.
     
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  40. Lilguy1456

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    Bumping this...anyone have a change of heart about this frame? Just picked one up for a song.
     
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    just tried it out today along with the 95s...it's pretty solid and definitely has some free power that can be tweaked with string and tension. preferred it over the 95s for groundstrokes and volleys.
     
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  42. Lilguy1456

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    Still loving it. Love the free/controllable power. Not rocketlauncher PureDrive power...just good solid pop. Waiting for the honeymoon to end.
     
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    Hate to say it but the stiffness of the G Rad Pro is finally catching up to my aging elblow. i played with the G Rad Pro for 4+ months but the eblow is finally telling me "no more". I have NEVER had any elbow issues before this stick but I now know what eblow soreness finally feels like, and i dont like it at all. I string with a poly/syn gut hybrid at 51lb with poly in the mains, and it is too much for my elbow. Back to my heavy and soft C10 Pros (360+ grams). will see if my elbow feels better
     
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  44. sparkshark

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    Your elbow will essentially explode.. But some folks are into that.
     
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    My friend, who took three games off of McEnroe when they were both fifteen :) and is one of the best pure strikers of a tennis ball I've seen, keeps hearing really positive things about this frame. He's now really liking his pure strike 18 X 20.
    My MG Rad Pro weighs 12.2 ounces and I'd love to find a lighter alternative. Also, the owner of a very well known boutique shop in NYC is also very big on the G Rad Pro. And also the Strike....
    I'm going to demo both frames....
    And I'm also open out suggestions...
     
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  46. Muppet

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    It sounds like Head took a dive on their graphene line of racquets. Maybe the IG line was too tough of an act to follow. After suffering through the graphene years, whatever Head comes out with next time will give us a huge sigh of relief. And perhaps we'll forget about what a good line IG was and adopt whatever is new next as our favorite racquets.
     
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    I played G Rad Pro for month or so. I liked it a lot. Not hollow feeling but rather fat. It manages to be crisp same time. Great power but nothing like Pure Drive -like. Just fat ball pocketing and great control.

    It is stiff but it doesn't feel too stiff when hitting. I would use word fat again on the feeling of impact. It feels crisp and naturally that comes from stiffness. I was serving very well with it, it was so nice on volleys, forehand easy to make to a fearhand, with my two handed back hand I struggled a bit.

    Now why I don't use it anymore. My forearm and wrist don't like it. Is it because of stiffness? I don't know but I doubt it - at least to be a sole reason. I tend to get similar muscle fatigue and later tennis elbow like pain when I go too high in swing weight. The G Rad Pro I had weigh 333g with over grip and has swing weight of 345 (measured 344-346). As such the combination feels fine. Not sluggish and not tiring to swing. But those inevitable miss timed hits with this SW and stiffness most likely took their toll.

    So after several tries I decided to let go. But I would recommend the racket still - just demo it carefully and see how your arm feels.
     
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  48. ManChild

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    ^^^Agree completely. My favorite racket to date in regards to how it plays. It's killing my arm though. I'm still trying different string tensions and setups. Hope I dont have to let it go as well.
     
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    i demoed for a few hours and liked it. didn't hurt anything. it was crisp but had some give. had nice angular control. deep shots. 2hbh was strong, deep, especially changing directions. nice slice. i hit some nice serves but wasn't enough time to get consistent. i don't play with multi string but that is what was on the demo. i think with a comfortable hybrid string setup and at least decent timing (hitting the ball out in front) its a great stick. probably shouldn't be called a radical as it is stiffer than the past versions.
     
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  50. WhereIsMacMac

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    Don't...demo...the...graphene...radicals...
     
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