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Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Ross K, Sep 30, 2007.

  1. vsbabolat

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    It is a Edge made out of graphite (not the "Graphite Edge") made in Austria for the European market. It was not made or sold in the U.S.A. I know the Comfort Edge and the Graphite Edge were black. I don't know what those racquets are. Why don't buy them if they are in very good condition? You can't go wrong. Then you can tell us what kind of Edge racquets they are. HEAD did not make a bad racquet in the 70's, 80's, and for most of the 90's.
     
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  2. proracketeer

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    Well, you see, i bought them. And it clearly says Graphite Edge on 'em...?
     
  3. vsbabolat

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    There you go. It a Graphite Edge that was made in Austria for the European Market. The only Graphite Edge that was sold in the U.S.A. was black with a gold and red stripe. HEAD in those days had a different racquets they would sell in the Europe compared to the U.S. Sorry I was not more helpful. But HEAD had a lot more Edge series racquets in Europe than in the U.S. The U.S. never got one that looked like yours. I think that was a great buy. Congrats!:D
     
  4. tandayu

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    Does it only say Graphite edge? Anything says like "special edition" on the frame?
     
  5. OnyxZ28

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    I think I have a Graphite Edge S.E. that looks kind of like that?


    On a side note, the 1998 Rad definitely is up there with the original Trisys, except for me it hit a lot like a lighter PT630. Definitely underrated in many aspects.
     
  6. proracketeer

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    Well, thanks. What do you think it is worth?
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  7. mrw

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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

    One of the black Graphite Edge racquets recently sold for $65 on the big auction site
     
  8. vsbabolat

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    It is hard to tell what kind of wear the racquet has around the head. Those racquets did not come with a bumper guard to proctect the frame. I think it would depend on the condition of the head as to how much or if there is court rash.
     
  9. Ross K

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    Pro Tour Question:

    I'd like to know what different models there are. I know there's the made in Austria version, and the made in China one... but any others? Plus how do they all rank? What are the differences?

    Also, as ever, I'd just love to hear more people's experiences and opinions of this truly legendary frame.
     
  10. galain

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    Ross

    There is quite a lot of PT info on the board. Do a search and you'll find some very interesting reading. I'll leave the first half of your question to more knowledgeable commentators but the second part - I have recently started using a PT 630 and I am enjoying it immensely.

    Admittedly I'm a bit of a head case with my racquets because I usually wind up back with my Rossignols, but in recent history, I was using the Volkl Cat 10 for some time before moving to the PT 630. I like them both for different reasons. I'd hit briefly with the PT some years ago (when it was still new) and really enjoyed the experience, but it was a one off situation (and I was also hitting with a Prestige on the same day). It always sat in my head as a beautiful hit though.

    Fast forward 12 years and I stumbled upon a near new one for a ridiculous price and thought "why not?". Wow. The best feeling frame I've picked up since the 80's- by a long shot. Its' been awhile since I used an 18x20 stringbed but the solidity of shot was the first thing I noticed. There is just so much 'substance' to every ball - whether it be serve, volley, groundstroke. Control is ridiculous - I was actually aiming for the white last weekend I was that confident of where the ball was going and the feel - well, like I said - better than anything for 2 decades I've felt. Soft but not flimsy, cushioned but not mushy and not a hint of tinny-ness. There aint no ping with this thing!

    I'm not one to get too fussed over string. I have a soft synthetic in it at around 54lbs and I can't imagine it being any more sweet.
     
  11. tandayu

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    I will post pics of all the PT630 version tonight, but I no longer have any "China made", sold them all, too stiff for my old elbow.

    GALAIN, I am glad you were able to get a good deal on PT630 and like it. Enjoy...
     
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    and the 660 club with 19mm beam (except the Prestige tour 300 MP on far right):

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    Thanks Alex! She's a beauty. It really grates that Head can't see past their ledger to put these back into production for the public. Such a quality racquet. The new MicroGel Prestiges seem to be getting some nice reviews - but I'm afraid if I start swinging that paintjob around I'll give myself an epileptic fit.
     
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    Damn - just looking at those pics.....isn't it just one of the best looking paintjobs around? Classy, understated - the MicroGel line looks some ADD child has lost control of their crayons by comparison.
     
  16. tandayu

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    HaHaHa. I have my PC600 hidden under the floor boards in my house.:lol:
     
  19. tandayu

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    Last time you have 6, so you have found more and kept it to yourself. At least sell me 3 and you can keep your shot gun
     
  20. Ross K

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    galain,

    Very interesting indeed to hear of your experiences (and not least because, *a little insanely, after countless posts, searches, debates and general explorations, I've just gone and finally bought a PT.) I must say, your description of how it plays has me sitting here drooling with anticipation!

    * Er... I've also only just bought a Dunlop 200G MW (which I love), and I'm still a huge fan of my Rad Tour Twin Tube (pretty recent buy too)... do you think I might have a problem?!


    tandayu,

    INCREDIBLE photos!... I could frame these pics, I swear!... forget about your Monets and your Gaugans - now those are works of art right there ^!

    BTW, so the Chinese version can be a little stiff?... right... thanks for that.


    michael and vs,


    Clipped up high on the inside of the drivers seat, I keep my AK Rad Tour Self-loading Double-Barrel Uzi Twin Tube XL MP (with adjustable bazooka.)
     
  21. tandayu

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    INCREDIBLE photos!... I could frame these pics, I swear!... forget about your Monets and your Gaugans - now those are works of art right there ^!

    BTW, so the Chinese version can be a little stiff?... right... thanks for that.

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    Ross K, the Chinese version PT280 might be ok with you. It is a solid frame by itself, not to take away the fact that it is a good frame
     
  22. Doc Hollidae

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    Wow tandayu's pics bring back memories. I'm only 24, but I used to play with the Graphite Director. I remember that thing being so heavy. Then again I was probably 10-12 when I played with it.
     
  23. tandayu

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    It feels very high swingweight frame for today standard, but a very solid one. It only runs for $10 at auction site, and was $200 new back then. Unknown treasure to today's population.
     
  24. t-swede

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    tandayu on the second picture all frames look like mp 660 cm headsize is that correct and can you tell the names and makeups on these frames ? a friend of mine borrowed me his prestige tour 660 with suspension grip and i have been playing some of my best tennis with this frame strung with cheap poly in the low 50s .

    feels a bit heavier than the classic mp thats out of stock on tw and a little softer too the control is outstanding and spin and flat shots are equally easy to hit with this magic wand ! im considering your offer on your trisys 300 mp when my next paycheck comes . do you still have the protour 690 os for sale or any protour for that matter ?

    tw should order a special makeup of the prestige tour 660 like they did with the pog lb for sure !The swede
     
  25. tandayu

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    They are all 660 head size with 19mm beam except the PT660 at far right,

    From left: Comp master (gray), graphite master (graphite/fiberglass, Mayotte has this pj look alike), TXM (TX Master with twaron), Prestige master (twaron), and Prestige tour 660/tour 300 trisys system mp.

    E-mail me kuchibaybay@hotmail.com
     
  26. Ross K

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    Originally posted in diff. thread by racquetfreak:

    "RESPECT!"... That is some serious list my friend!

    Now, I think it was the TXP you liked the very best (please correct me if I'm wrong.) What though would be your top 5?
     
  27. greg280

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    wow, what a collection, if you want to sell some e-mail gjtellz09@hotmail.com for specific frames you may want to sell. thanks
     
  28. Ross K

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    'Head Legends' fans,

    Just to say... the eagle has landed...

    (In other words my PT630 has arrived!)
     
  29. sargeinaz

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    ^^^ Congrats man. I can imagine the excitement, mines is coming in from Germany in like 2 weeks. Ill post pics in this thread when I get it.
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  30. lucu

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    saw 2 TXE and pyramid in a pro-shop last week.
    worthwhile to buy and keep?
    thanks.
     
  31. Ross K

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    Hey sarge,

    You know what I mean?! Forget about my birthday or Christmas... I'm all done with presents... I NEED FOR NOTHING NOW!... "Lordy, lordy. Praise be to the almighty Pro Tour!"... (Apologies. I'm afraid the previously mentioned excitement is getting the better of me now. Now... where are those tranquilizers?...) BTW, do share your experiences once the 'rod of rods' finally arrives.


    Head Legenders one and all,

    What's the word on lucu's query above ^ on the TXE and pyramid?
     
  32. galain

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    Ross - looking forward to your thoughts...

    lucu - yes - get them both. The TXE is a fine frame - it's not a Prestige and I'm not sure it's a 'legend' in the sense that the original Graphite Edge is - but as Head's flagship model once upon a time, it's certainly worth having. Stiff - but very nicely crafted. Just check the grommets. Mine just completely disintegrated one year. One day they were fine, the next time I looked there was little bits of plastic everywhere! (very sad day).

    The Pyramid Tour - also worth having. There are some quite nice posts about this one - look for !Tym's writings - he speaks very eloquently about the Pyramid. It too, was the premier Head racquet for awhile - at a time when the Prestige and PT were out. Extremely head light and excellent control. Fantastic for serves - the manoeuverability of the head lets you hit dimes. Fantastic for volleying with, I thought, as well. This one has a very dense stringbed - hence the brilliant control - but because of this it seems a little string sensitive. I haven't been very fair to mine. I never lost a match when I was using it - but I wasn't 'wow'ed" by the feel. However, I think with a different stringjob I would be looking at a very different feeling stick. I have FibreGel in mine at 53lbs and even that feels very tight verging on boardy. I'm enjoying my PT a lot right now, but I really want to try a few different string combos with my Pyramid - I suspect I have a diamond that I just haven't polished properly yet.

    So - yes on both counts! Both the superstar of the Head range when they were released. Both outstanding playability. Both not that easy to come by. Well worth having.
     
  33. lucu

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    galadin,
    TXE, there is 5 of them, however the gormmets is not in good conditions. so what do you think? i can only buy it and keep it, but not using it...?
    pyramid tour, gormmets in good conditions. how many head-size there is in this model ? the shop is asking above usd 100. is it worth it...?
    other than those two above, they have the comp master and graphite master too. both brand new but both gormmets is in poor conditions... what do you think about this two ? thanks.
     
  34. MichaelChang

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    100 dollar? I would say no to the shop owner.
     
  35. galain

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    Hi Lucu

    I don't know anything about the Master series, sorry.

    If the TXE grommets are going, you're going to have a very hard time replacing them. You could always buy those little individual things if you wanted but I've heard mixed reviews about them as well. If you plan on using them, I would probably give them a miss. If you collect - just get one and hang it on your wall.

    And I agree with Michael Chang. Not many people seem to be aware of the Pyramid Tour's value and they come up very reasonably on the auction site from time to time. Considering I bought mine brand new with plastic still on the handle for $12, I think $100 is asking a little much.
     
  36. Ross K

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    'Head Legend' lovers!

    As I did above ^ mention, finally, yesterday, it was a case of 'the eagle has landed'. And today, tentatively, I removed the Pro Tour from its sheath and bared it to the world. And though the afternoon was impacted upon by two of the very worst impediments known to an aspiring tennis bum, namely windy conditions and whining, terminally uncordinated children who would be better off taking up an altogether different hobby, this much I can speak of:

    I don't think I've ever felt anything quite like it... (twaron?... kevlar?... kryptonite if you ask me!)... It certainly has a feel as if it was made from... I dunno... asteroids or something! Another thought I had was it seemed to be beautifully balanced and, well, lethally primed. It has a quality of being 'fully loaded'... (This stuff is impossible to communicate well)... my fh groundies really were zipping off the court, and I was getting there with my bh (although due to a recent switch from 2h to 1h bh, it wasn't perfect exactly)... great precision and control... very stable... excellent power (like a PD that stays in all the time)... you really want to unload with this weapon!

    Anyway, tomorrow I play properly and will know far more (especially - and crucially - as regards the serve, which I was barely able to do today.) But despite the situation I was in this afternoon, I was able to kind of practice and formulate the occasional early impression (such as, this really is one serious dude of a racquet!)
     
  37. Ross K

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    BTW, the line about it playing like a PD that stays in doesn't mean I find it stiff. It isn't stiff. It has a certain 'cushioned' and yet whippy or wonderfully well powered, almost well oiled, and stable feel to it (as was actually pretty much similarly the case with my Rad Tour TT.) Just wanted to clarify that...
     
  38. MichaelChang

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    so how is it compared to the Radical TT midplus. they came out from the same mold.
     
  39. Chauvalito

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    Supreme Compettion, Extreme Competition, and the Pure competition

    Can anyonw post thoughts/specs on the following rackets?

    Supreme Comp.
    Extreme Comp.
    Pure Comp.

    Thank you
     
  40. Bud

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    Are those Head racquets?
     
  41. Ross K

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    Unfortunately Michael, I can't say exactly as my Rad Tour is the XL version (ridiculously high swing weight.) Plus also I have only just got the PT and need some proper quality hitting time (though from the limited experience I've had with it, I can confirm the Rad Tour TT and PT share a unique, pure class, lush, older Head feel.)

    Anyway, Head Legenders one and all, today I'm going to have that proper examination of the frames abillities, ie I'm playing a regular (and testing) opponent. I must say, I'm feeling confident... (a confidence born from yesterday's realisation that my new frame is such a 'lethal'... 'primed'... 'loaded weapon')... I envisage myself positively swaggering on to court later... fellow lovers of the older Heads, I swear, I'm ready to show who's the boss!... today is gonna be the day all right!...

    ONE MINUTE LATER... Confidence level plummets as poster recalls with a fright that he foolishly changed from 2her to 1her bh a few weeks ago, and that he is presently heavily experimenting with his service motion... uh-oh!...
     
  42. Deuce

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    Yes, they are Head racquets from about 1994.
    They had Borg and Wilander endorsing them. Also Chanda Rubin.
     
  43. Ross K

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    The Day Of Reckoning

    Finally... after several months of promiscuously playing around with different racquets of a certain vintage (who said R.I.L.F?!)... at long last, I think we've found a winner!

    Because today, despite the fact that my serve was majorly misfiring (I believe this is more because of recent experimentation with my service motion as opposed to playing with the new frame), I saw enough improvement in my game and enough all around supreme quality as regards the Pro Tour itself, to realise here's the one; the one with which to stop the unending quest and to now start to try and grow and develop, hopefully over some years, as regards my skill level. Basically, this rod is just the very best I've laid my hands on, and there's no excuses now... if all those pro players use it, then that's recommendation enough... (not that I'm of course putting myself in that league)... it's just an absolute gem of a frame, and I'd have to suffer from extreme mental health issues to not know that this is the racquet.


    A few random thoughts on how it plays, or how I found it...

    forehand - far and away the best frame for fh I've ever had... dangerous... precise... for the 1st time in living memory my fh is suddenly a real weapon...

    backhand
    - very impressive (and that's with my current dodgy 1her)... same as fh ^ really!...

    serve - hard to say exactly as I've technical problems presently due to experimenting with my motion...

    around the net and up in the air stuff - excellent... instantly converts user into more of an all courter... dynamic...

    general - in it's mobillity you sense the supreme balance and swing weight, and in its wonderous feel you get a sense of the phenomenal engineering and design... pocketing of the ball is quite beautiful!... it has a fantastic way of retrieving 'lost shots' or a facility to quickly adjust to last milli-second adjustments.. good stabillity and firm feel on hitting (not the same as stiff feeling)... highly compact... great at the touch stuff (unusually, I played a few droppers today and very succesfully)... and maybe a tiny tad lacking in depth on groundies, but that's more me and my technique...

    And lastly, FWIW... as has also been noted by, I think it was, Deuce (if I'm wrong I apologise), and others too, the PT does indeed share similarities with the i. Prestige mp and the Dunlop 200G MW. For me, the i.Prestige has very good mobility and a similar retrievabillity, similarish pocketing, good stabillity, control-orientated, and possessing a certain precision. I also found it difficult to get proper depth (more difficult than the PT actually), though that also could've been due to the strings. All in all though, a bit more demanding than the PT and less dynamic, less feedback, and not quite of that high, all around standard (but still pretty damn good.) As for the 200G MW, this has a dynamic, compact, explosiveness that the PT also has. The way it swings feels very alike. There's a similarish power level and whippiness of shot. It's well suited to serve and volley, net skills, etc. However, I found the MW to have a slightly mushy, certainly soft feel to it, unlike the PT which manages to be both firm but lush. And again, all things considered, I'm not sure it's quite as capable and multi-faceted and generally sensational as the PT... it definitely isn't as lethal as the PT on the fh side... but hey, that's just my view.

    Enough said.... Right. Where's some alcohol!:grin:
     
  44. Speedygonzalez

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    Hey Ross,

    Hahaha, great review! I am glad to hear that you like it. It is indeed a gem of a racquet...Great feeling, firm but not too stiff. A great volleying racquet too... Have fun with it!
     
  45. Ross K

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    Hi everyone,

    Just to say it's now 'day 6' since I got my new frame and I haven't bought another racquet since!...

    To paraphrase from a certain classic film from my past featuring Sean Connery... "Headlegender, there can be only one!"...
     
  46. Ross K

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    This week I've been doing some MAJOR work on my serve. That's got me thinking...

    1. How have PT users found the racquet to perform as regards the serve?

    2. Which of the older frames do you Head connoisseurs consider the very best for serving?

    Just curious...

    Cheers,

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    Another thread that I'm again resurrecting ...

    Yesterday a got a couple of the alumium Edges: the original brown and the blue Stringlock.

    They're not in the best condition (let alone good), but decent enough (4-5?) just to "have" 'em for my museum project.

    If anyone's got more info on the release dates of the Edges, please let me have know. I'm starting an online museum on my website with whatever racket description I can have.

    So far, the Head rackets that I have (and will take pics of), are:

    LC (the white, thin competition frame)
    Pro (Red Head),
    Edge (brown),
    Edge Stringlock (blue),
    Graphite Edge
    TXE

    If anyone feel like contributing with racket pics and detail, please let me know. Please email me from my profile. I'll let you know what I would need.

    Or you can take a crash in my webboard, get to the English section and blast away, at: http://club.tennisenjoy.com

    Thanks guys.
     
  48. galain

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    hi Ani

    Sounds like a fantastic project. I'll look forward to keeping up to date with it. Have you ever heard of the (I think it was) the "Comfort Edge? Could be the Composite Edge (which actually sounds more correct). Leconte used them back in the early days.

    And you need to find yourself an Edgewood too!
     
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    Thanks galain.

    I'm gettin' stuff off some "thrashed" rackets that come in large containers with used golf clubs. These rackets aren't the real goods that the warehouse wants so it's sold of cheap.

    Cheap is used loosely here. Each stick costs from about $10-$30. If I was to bid on the bay, I would have to pay like $40 for shipping alone.
     
  50. anirut

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    A sad story ...

    I just came back from playing.

    While at the court, I saw a girl who works at the court, playing with a purplish-blue racket. Asked her to have a look and ...

    I almost cried ...

    It was a PT630. The condition is near thrash. Not just paint chips, it was like sanded off with scratches everywhere. The bumper was like dragged around on the ground, the shaft had scratches as though it was from throwing. I asked whose racket was it and she call a guy ... it was the ballboy at the court. It was given away to him to play with ...

    No, I don't blame him as it was given. But I'm griping on the people who just don't know the value of things. These people just have money but have no sense of value.

    Sad. Just sad ...
     
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