Head Prestige 600 (Silver/Green) question

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  1. sunmin77

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    To all Head experts, I have some questions about the Silver/Green Head Prestige 600.

    I just got my hands on one of these beauties and strung it up yesterday with some polyester strings. The frame did not come with a leather grip but had a regular replacement grip on it. After I strung it up, I put two overgrips on top of the replacement grip. When I weighed it, I was surprised to see that it came in at only 12 1/8 ounces. That seems awfully low, considering that I put two overgrips on it. From the limited information I have about this racquet, it seems that the strung weight on this frame should be approximately 12.3 ounces. I do not know whether this frame came stock with a leather grip. However, even taking into account the loss of weight from the leather grip, I think two overgrips should bring it close to its normal weight. Also, the frame came with the original green grommets (not caps).

    In addition to the weight, the frame feels very head light (around 8-10 points). However, for whatever reason, it does not swing too light. My normal frame is the 90 series Wilson racquets, so I am used to heavy frames. This racquet feels slightly lighter than those frames but still pretty close.

    Can anyone with some experience with this racquet explain to me why the frame weighs so little? Also, if anyone knows, what is the flex of this frame? It feels stiffer than 60RA, more around 64 (that might be the Twaron I am feeling, though). Also, I don't think this is the case but does anyone know whether they made fake ones of these back in the day?

    The only other idea I have is that this frame might be pro stock. However, it does not have any unusual markings on it, so I have no way of knowing what it is.

    Thanks in advance to anyone who can shed some light on my questions.
     
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  2. Dino Lagaffe

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    Excellent poster Don't Let It Bounce referred to my RDC-log in your other thread. The stats I've got on it are as follows:

    Head Prestige 600
    Weight: 350 g / 12.35 oz
    Flex: 60
    SW: 307

    To try and answer some of your questions; my Prestige does neither have the full caps, nor a leather grip. IIRC, it came stock with a synthetic grip. I think it's highly unlikely that there would be any fake versions (or pro stock)of this racquet around.
     
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  3. sunmin77

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    Dino,

    Thank you for the reply. Your thread is actually the reason for my post. Assuming your numbers are accurate, that would mean that my racquet is .3 ounces lighter, even though I have two overgrips on it. That doesn't make much sense to me.

    The racquet, at least swinging it, feels great in the hand. I will have to try it out and hit with it.
     
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  4. retrowagen

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    That frame came with either a CAP grommet/bumper, or a non-CAP partial bumper with open grommet - both variants in shocking neon green (oh, the early 90's!). The CAP weighed more, naturally, as it had more plastic to it. Both versions featured the same synthetic grip, IIRC.

    Which grommet system do you have on your frame? The full bumper, or a shorter one?
     
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  5. sunmin77

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    Retrowagen. My frame has the partial shocking green bumper on it. I think you also answered my question. I did not know that you were able to get the frame with the full cap grommets installed. Obviously, if Dino's frame was weighed and measured with full cap grommets installed, that would represent the difference in weight.
     
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  6. vsbabolat

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    You bought the Neon Green CAP Grommet separately and then had them installed.

    P.S. They are the same composition as the Prestige Pro, Prestige Pro 600, and Prestige Classic 600. Only difference is paint.
     
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  7. retrowagen

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    The non-CAP grommet kit for those was known by its internal part number TK10. TK10's were also available in brown for a short while on the later Prestige Classic 600 frames, immediately following the Prestige Pro 600 grey/green iteration. I believe the full-CAP's were TK52, whether black (1986-1987 TXP), brown, or green.

    I personally had some of these PC600’s with TK10’s, and liked them better than the more common full-CAP. Made the racquet more headlight and maneuverable, easier to string, and no aerodynamic “tweet.” However, I had to increase the weight on the frames with lead tape to bring it up to my favorite 350g spec.
     
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  8. MarrratSafin

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    the neon green CAPS are TK10 as well. It seems Head changed to TK52 CAPS starting from around the second batch of Prestige Classic, and the TK52's are also 4g lighter than the original TK10 or non-coded CAPS.

    Now I have always wanted one of those brown regular TK10's!
     
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  9. sunmin77

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    Retrowagen, how much did your prestiges weigh before you added lead?
     
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  10. retrowagen

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    This was few years ago, and if I recall, they weighed in at around 11.5 ounces with the TK10 and the standard leather grip replaced by a synthetic grip of my liking. I developed bicep problems using them, until I added 0.8 ounce of weight, keeping the balance at 6 points HL.
     
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  11. PSC85

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    Hi I recently came to acquire a silver/green one w/ partial bumper grommet as well, and was wondering where I could find full neon green CAP for it? I'd appreciate it if you could shed some light or source. Thanks. cylee44 AT hotmail D0T com.
     
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  12. bloodywifi

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    hi, basically need some help, found a guy selling me a head pc600 the red/black (didn't want to open a new thread).

    want i want to know is what yr is this made?(found on search a thread on history of pc600)?, Is is a pro stock frame/retail/ fake?.
    (im assuming its either made in 1993/1995, from this thread - http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=268388)
    Pics:
    [​IMG] Its the top one

    [​IMG] Again top one

    [​IMG] No grip one

    [​IMG]
     
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  15. raging

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    nice photos.

    They look like the ones I had, except for the small grips.
    Tough to tell from your photos but educated guess is retail, with some serious lead applied!

    Doubt they are pro stock with L2 grip pallet but it could be possible.
    Some player may have got them back then & liked the swingweight, then ...added lead!:twisted:

    As you can see the Head pallets have numbers stamped on them & you used to be able tell from that the date of production...guessing 1994.

    vs babolat may educate us more..
     
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  16. retrowagen

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    I believe those Prestige Classic 600's date from 1995. Consumer model. The grip pallet on the gripless one has been replaced with a different pallet set - the standard one for a PC600 incorporates the plastic collar at the top of the grip, although for a limited while (1999 or so), it was remarketed as "Classic Mid" in the US market and featured the tapered pallet minus the plastic collar.
     
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  17. raging

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    good pickup on the pallet from Retro.

    I should have realised from the white buttcap that the grip had been changed:oops:

    Also the pallet hasn't been reglued properly so...it could be anything...

    buyer beware.:(
     
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  18. bloodywifi

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    forgot to mention that he has changed the grip due to him preferring smaller grip size (he used to play with it) and that he has leaded it at 3&9 - hasn't used it in ages, said he forgot he had this in his tennis collection and know wants to sell.


    ive asked for a grip3, he's saying he can change it for me,
    i can ask him to take a picture of the pallet not being on - what number should i be looking for? - so i don't have to keep coming back

    Do you lot know if the retail stick weighs the same as pro stock, if so how much strung/unstrung -get him to take a pic - preferably unstrung weight as the 1st pic it looks like full gut broken, 2nd load of pics unstrung.

    this guy history - has been fine for what people have said, on stringforum, sells a few pro stock racket.
    Thanks - dont wanna bug people
     
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  19. vsbabolat

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    I would put the racquets at 1994. There was a white bar code sticker that fell off. 1994 was the only year that had the sticker that could not stay on. The last kind of white bar code sticker that was on, was in 1995. That sticker staid on but the printing wore away.

    It is not fake. I would think they are retail. It does not matter if they are Pro stock and there wont be any markings on the hairpin so you don't have to look.
     
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  20. bloodywifi

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    thanks VS, i'll stay away from it, as he wants £140 including postage - just for the one
     
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  21. vsbabolat

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    Its all about condition as for the price.
     
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  22. MichaelChang

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    ahh the Head PC600, the holy grail...
    everytime I see its various pictures/versions, I feel pious...
     
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  23. bloodywifi

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    well as for the condition, by the pics provided you can see few paint chips,
    he says thrs 3 in total between 10-2, a small graze on the throat which you can see.
    himself rated it at 9/10.
    Just no original grip or leather - leather doesn't bother me as i always take it off and put my Wilson shock shield.#

    By my research these always go especially here in U.K/europe for £180-220.

    Just i already own the 237.1 really like it, but i do want a softer racket & very keen on the pc600 - rather have a pro stock than a retail
     
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  24. vsbabolat

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    Why would you rather have pro stock than retail?
     
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    have no idea reall- to be honest. I know thr ain't much difference between the two.
    just would prefer a pro stock- think most people can't answer that question
     
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  26. retrowagen

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    I'd reckon the prostock version of the old PC600 would be heavier (custom weight added, custom-tuned to personal balance spec of pro) than the consumer model, and might have a custom grip. Seems to me that where the prostock PC600 diverged from the consumer version was when the newer, subsequent Prestige mids came on-line for the consumer markets, and Head-sponsored pros wanted the "old" PC600 layup and mold hiding beneath the graphics of a newer model (iPrestige, Liquidmetal, Microgel, Youtek, etc.).
     
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  27. vsbabolat

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    I do have pro stock of the PC600. There is no difference in composition! There is no reason for you to want a Pro stock PC600. Back in the 90's they were very rare because most just played with off the shelf frames. If you do find a pro stock at this point it will be fully customized to somewhere north of 350g. They played with much heavier racquets back then. Do yourself a favor and just find a PC600 in good condition at a fair price. That is what you should be looking for.
     
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  28. raging

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    Great advice from vs.
    I had 6 of them back in 1994.
    I had no idea back then what they weighed or what nonsense would later be written about them on here.:)
    I gave them all away when I changed contracts.
    vs is quite right, Emilio & Goran played the retail frames & nobody knew about pro stock back early 90s, most guys also were happy to use vs gut
    (if they got given it ) and then came poly & lots of arm & shoulder problems!

    £140 is not worth it...it was/is a great racket but the game has moved on.
    See if you can find an older UK Head pro, he may have a Prestige 600 lying around that he doesn't use anymore. Take it indoors if you can and then enjoy.:)
     
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  29. bloodywifi

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    ^ ok, as ive been off work since joining here, been reading all day through search, people have always trusted u VS, im no racket expert, so i will take your lots advice.

    just been waiting for these to be sold through auction sites i uk/europe/u.s - cheapest are from U.S and this one is so far the cheapest- with customs fee it will go up to £165-170.

    one currently on aution (black and green version, assuming 1991-93) on £180 10/10condition, plastic collar on it, thats not even buy it now.

    Yeh i'll wait .

    Thanks everyone
     
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  30. vsbabolat

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    The PC600 in my opinion is a great racquet! Its still used today by a few players on the Tour, just not like it was in the 90's. It is solid and muted with surprising power for the small head. Just find one you think is a good deal for you.
     
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  31. PSC85

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    green CAP question

    Hi vsbabolat, would you happen to know where the green CAP grommet sets might still be available? would appreciate it, thanks.
     
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  32. vsbabolat

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    Sorry, I dont know where you can get green C.A.P. Grommets these days. You just have to go with black C.A.P. grommets. The black C.A.P grommets also look very good on the Prestige 600.
     
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    This is my only remaining quest.....to find one cheap.

    Still hunting the thrift shops!!

    Big hole in my tennis resume, have never owned or even hit a PC600.

    I know I know fraud I am!!

    :oops:
     
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  34. retrowagen

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    If you must have neon green CAPS, I'd recommend painting a set of black Microgel Prestige Mid CAPS with neon green paint suitable for plastics - though at the first scraping, it'll show black again.

    The black would look great on this frame; much better than the green, IMHO.
     
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