Head Radical Tour Trysis v Head Radical Tour twin tube

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  1. Meaghan

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    What are the major differences between these two rackets in make up, play and spec??

    Is one better than the other in your opinion..........?
     
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  2. Bud

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    I think the racquets are pretty much identical in specs and composition... starting with the bumblebee (c. 1993)... and two iterations later - zebra (c. 1995) and then the 3rd version (c. 1997).

    The Trisys 260 (and Radical Tours) all incorporated twintube construction, IIRC.
     
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  3. MichaelChang

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    The TwinTube feels more muted/dampened feel.
     
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  4. Bud

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    IIRC, All of the Radical Tour (also Trisys 260) racquets from 1993-1997 incorporated TT construction and the specs were virtually identical... approximately 12.4 oz and 4-5 points HL.
     
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    Yes this is what I thought as well:)

    I do have an OS Trisys 260 that I'm sure feels lighter than 12oz, but it is quite headlight, so maybe just seems lighter than it actually is?

    I will weigh it when I can find it:-?
     
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  6. vsbabolat

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    The Original Radical Tour 630 (Trisys 260 in USA) bumble bee black/yellow from 1993-1995 were not TwinTube.
     
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  7. Meaghan

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    was that made with twaron fibres ??

    also what is twin tube exactly and how does it differ from a normal Head racket of the time ??
     
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  8. Meaghan

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    Is this an original trysis?

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  9. MomentumGT

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    This would be correct. I had 4 Trisys 260 MP's when I was a junior and it had no TwinTube technology. When the TwinTube version came out I thought it would be so awesome but was greatly disappointed. TT was so muted and felt ultra soft not like the crisp solid feeling of the 260's.

    -Jon
     
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  10. Ross K

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    Meagan,

    Never got my hands on one but the Bumblebee supposedly plays a bit stiffer and is a real felt-ripping ball-crusher (ahem) :shock::) .

    The Twin Tube I can confirm is VERY soft and flexy... uniquely so I'd say as the ball is not so much pocketed but made a cup of tea, given a newspaper to read, and then quite a while later is sent back on its merry way! :lol: You get the point Rich?!... it holds the ball on the strings in a particularly distinctive manner (the serve feels pretty different all right)... people tend to love or hate it I think... I've actually changed my mind rather dramatically on this. I'd add that the frame has a wonderful solidness, control, feel and responsiveness (especially as regards b-line play)... oh - and the pj's brilliant imo too!

    R.
     
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  11. TheRed

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    2nd that. the Original Rad was not TT. TT was the beginning of adding technology to the Rad. I used the original, my friend used the TT. the 1998, 3rd iteration was also TT. The 3 racquets also played differently, despite people claiming that the 2nd and 3rd iterations were the same except for paintjob. the 3rd version had a lower swingweight and was slightly less muted. Power was fairly close in all 3 versions.
     
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  12. Ross K

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    Interesting... I know many, including Doc Hollidae who started the great Radical club on TT were/are of the opinion that in fact the Twin Tube (and especially the '98 version (yellow, silver, black, red cosmetic) was the greatest and most highly prized of them all... this is of course highly subjective but none-the-less...

    R.
     
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  13. Meaghan

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    That kind of answers my question in a way. The bumblebee im thinking prob plays like my vantage. I was looking for something flexier to try out with the muted feel of my graphite pro or pt600 so I will pick up th twin tube to have a play with.

    Anyone know what modern 18x20 bumper/grommet would fit this racket ??
     
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  14. Fed Kennedy

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    The black and yellow 260 is an absolute ball killer. One of the most solid sticks I ever hit. The other ones play softer and have less power, less crispiness. All are sweet.
     
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  15. vsbabolat

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    If You would like to put C.A.P. Grommets the LM Prestige Midplus or MG Prestige Midplus will both fit. If you like traditional grommets the Intelligence i.Prestige XL Mid+ Grommet will fit perfectly. In the U.S. the i.Prestige Midplus XL was sold with traditional grommets.
    http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/catpage-GROMHEAD.html
     
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  16. Meaghan

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    what about any of the radical grommets VS ??
     
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    I'll answer that one (VS was my teacher):)

    The new radicals are a different mold. The radical tour 630 that you have is the same mold as PT630 and very similar to i prestige 630 and LM prestige MP!

    (Actually I might have that wrong, VS will explain better:))
     
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  18. Meaghan

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    just bought.....

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    So awesome!
     
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  20. jimbo333

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    ^^^^^^Really nice racquets mate:)

    You'll really like them!
     
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  21. lightflow

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    Hi, I was looking at these 2 particular rackets today & trying to decide which to buy. I went for the Radical Tour Oversize (Bumblebee) as I owned one when first released and had fond memories, paid $38, is this a good price?
     
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  22. MichaelChang

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    To people who interested in these old radicals.

    They are indeed not the same racket. The Radical 260 Midplus is 57A, and Radical Twintube Midplus is 57B. The TwinTube is more muted.
    Here are my rackets with pallets removed, so you can see the code on the hairpin:
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    I liked the 260 MP better. And I think it is the same as today's so-called PT57A. Regarding the grommets, the 260 and Twintube share the same mold as the PT630 (which is the same mold as the Prestige MP), and the beam width a slightly less than the new modern radicals, that is why you can use Prestige MP grommets to perfectly fit those old radical MPs.

    The Radical 260 OS is the one Agassi endorsed. Paying 38 bucks for (a good condition )one sounds like a good deal, I would take that any day.
     
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  23. Thepowerofchoice

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    MG Radical midplus would fit perfect.
     
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    Excellent info:)

    I wonder if the second Twin Tube Radical MP (the second zebra) is actually a 57C?

    Anyone know?
     
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    So do the MG Radical MP grommets definitely fit?

    I really thought they wouldn't fit this racquet!
     
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  26. MichaelChang

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    I think it is also 57-B, though I don't have a picture to prove it. I have never seen a 57C or 57D.

    btw 57-E is the I.Prestige MP, which I have seen on its hairpin. Makes good sense to be today's so called PT57E.
     
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  27. Thepowerofchoice

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    Yes. I have them on my Zebra right now.
     
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  28. Meaghan

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    Thanks, that makes things easier.......:)
     
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    Yes definitely subjective. I personally feel the MP 260's were the best Radicals ever :) and none come close so far. The Youtek Rad is pretty good but I think no where close to the 260's. The Zebra's weren't so bad, to me it was just a let down as I was so hyped in buying those versions thinking they would be that much of an upgrade compared to the 260's. To each his own I guess.

    -Jon
     
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  30. Meaghan

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    Anyone know the spec of the rad TT ??

    I found this on another thread (for the zebra) but my strung weight is 330g ?????

    Head size: 97 sq. in. / 626 sq. cm.
    Balance: 7pts Head Light
    Length: 27 inches / 69 cm
    Swingweight: 339
    Weight: 12.2oz / 346g
    Stiffness: 58 (0-100)
    String Pattern: 18 Mains / 20 Crosses

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  31. frekcles

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    That's the same specs found in TW racquet finder.

    The zebra is a little bit heavier than the 1998 twin tube Radical.

    Off topic: Would you like to buy another 1998 TT Radical and a zebra? I'm trying to sell mine.



     
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  32. Ross K

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    I tried for ages to get hold of a Trysis 260 (or bumblebee)... I really wanted to experience some of that felt-ripping power for myself, but to no avail though, and moved on... ah well, along with a PC600, I'll hopefully have the opportunity to hit with 1 of these legendary frames 1 day! ("Wipes tear from eye". :roll:)

    R.
     
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  33. Meaghan

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    One just went real cheap on the bay, missed it, got engrossed in a film and missed it by 10 mins! :(
     
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  34. TheLambsheadrep

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    I have 3 Head Radical Tour TT OS (yellow, grey, black, red 1998 version) but none of them have the L5 swing rating on the inside of the racket's neck. They are labeled XL, but measure 27" long- I have asked about this before on the forum and people think they were probably shortened at some point by the previous owner I had bought them from. did the XL version of the Radical Tour TT OS not have a swing rating label? that would clear up the original length question, along with the confusion of why its not labeled
     
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  35. pshulam

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    The ball instantly becomes dead after the bumble-bee racket hit.
     
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  36. pshulam

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    If it is made in Austria and in condition of 8 or higher, $38 is a good price.
     
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  37. Don't Let It Bounce

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    Also, scientists have examined the Bumblebee and determined that it is physically impossible for it to crush a tennis ball. The Bumblebee, however, does not know this, so it crushes the ball anyway.


    Is the reference too obscure?
     
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  38. TheLambsheadrep

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    anyone know my question instead of being silly?
     
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  39. vsbabolat

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    Why don't you post some photos of your racquets so we can see what is going on.
     
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  40. TheLambsheadrep

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    i will try to get some pics up, but all there is is that where the standard swing rating label should be there is nothing. i will take some pics of the butt cap too to help determine if the length was altered. thanks for the help vsbabolat
     
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  41. TheLambsheadrep

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    here are the pics
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/38221599@N05/sets/72157624174695444/
    as you can see theres no swing rating, and the other side just has the tension recommendations and stuff like that. all 3 rackets are like this.

    and if you look at the butt cap on the left side, you can see grey between the edge of the sticker and the black cap. is that added due to shortening of the handle? ive never seen it on normal handles, so im assuming it was added.
     
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  42. vsbabolat

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    My Radical Tour TwinTube 630 has no swing style rating either. If the racquet was shortened by the previous owner. The person would:
    1. Take the grip off
    2. remove butt-cap
    3. remove pallets
    4. cut racquet to desired length
    5. cut pallets to length if they did not have shorter pallets
    6. put all back together
    There is no extra glue needed. You are not gluing anything. That is more than one hologram butt-cap sticker that was put on at the factory. I have quite a few Prestige Classic 600 like that.
     
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  43. TheLambsheadrep

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    do you know why the swing style rating isnt labeled on our rackets but is on others? there are pics of other Radical Tour TT's on this forum that have the swing style rating labeled.

    so the grey thing under the sticker is another sticker? and why is the length 27" if it says XL, maybe a misprint?
     
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  44. pshulam

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    It appears that the Radical Tour Tour XL version (TT, Zebra) does not have the "L5" swing label inside the throat (see Item number: 260552041137 at bay). Another thing I notice is that even some standard length (non XL) version has no "L5" swing label (see Item number: 180508727010).

    Your rackets are either shortened or mislabeled (wrong paint job).
     
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  45. pshulam

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    That's just inconsistency by Head - nothing more.
     
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  46. TheLambsheadrep

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    thanks for bringing up _bay; I looked at the other TT tour's and none of them had the swing style rating. makes me feel better.

    do you think, by the pictures, the rackets were shortened or mislabeled with XL?
     
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  47. ManuGinobili

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    The Radical 260 is the one with the red dampener right? How does the OS version play? I found a disinterested owner on another forum...
     
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  48. TheLambsheadrep

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    no, the 260 is the other one
     
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  49. MichaelChang

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    the radical 260 OS (the Agassi racket) or the radical TT OS are both excellent OS rackets. in the same league as the POG OS. the best OS rackets you can find.
     
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  50. MomentumGT

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    Yes they are really good rackets. I'm a midplus guy and had 4 of them in HS and loved them. I just picked up a 8.5~9/10th 260 Oversize for $20 from one of my teammates on my 4.0 team. He bought it back in 96' and it gave him TE (his strokes aren't that good) so I picked it up. It even has the original strings he strung it with.

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