Head Ventoris 660

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  1. bluetrain4

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    One of my all time favorite rackets. Anyone remember this frame?

    What were the specs? I obtained one in the mid 90s completely by chance and ended up using it for one year. It was broke during stringing and I never replaced it.
     
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  2. shadowrtype

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    Wow I had forgotten the name of that one. It was my 2nd racquet back in high school. Loved the color of the paint. It was some metallic silvery type. I can't remember how it played. It was before I was even able to hit the ball well, but I remember when I thought the head was too small. Ended up going to oversize and learned from there. Great looking racquet though.
     
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  3. Kevo

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    I used to own one. Nice frame. I remember the first time I connected squarely with the rather small sweet spot. Man what a feeling. Unbelievable shot. I spent the rest of the week trying to recreate that shot, and utterly failed. I ended up switching to a ProKennex Asymmetric Frame after about a year and a half, and it was much better. Unfortunately that frame cracked about 4 years ago. I wish I could find another one of those. That was a marvelous frame.
     
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  4. hadoken

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    Yup, this was my senior year high school frame. I thought it played fantastic after trying many sticks, but then ended up ditching them when someone sold me matching Prince's.

    Interestingly enough, about 5 years ago I got my hands on a pair of Ventoris 600's which are also fantastic. I regret selling them on **** - some dude in Australia really wanted them so they are now somewhere down under.
     
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  5. max

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    You know, I used to follow Head products, but when they came out with a line of racquet with names like Ventoris and Galaxia or some such astro stuff, I just stopped paying attention. For some reason, this put me off. Interesting how things work out.
     
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  6. Shane Reynolds

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    The series consisted of (in order from most powerful to least powerful) the Genesis, the Atlantis, the Polaris, and the Ventoris, all available in 600, 660, or 720 head sizes. I originally had the Genesis, but it was an 18 x 20, and it was just too powerful. I got the Polaris and used it through my college years. These racquets had a Double Power Wedge that was thicker above and below the sweetspot. The Genesis was green, the Atlantis purple, the Polaris red, and the Ventoris silver; all had a metallic look to the paint. I liked the simplicity of those days: pick a power level and a headsize and here you go.
     
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  7. raftenis

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    If somebody like this old good ones ,I have 1 Atlantis 600 and 1 Ventoris 660 for sale rafmtenis@hotmail.com very good condition of frames .
     
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  8. LuckyR

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    I thought the Ventoris was purple?? Anyway it was one of my first elbow killing racquets I bought after college, I remember it well...
     
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  9. Serve em Up

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    I played the Atlantis for a while. Seems I remember it having a lot of power and a lot of vibration.
     
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  10. Bud

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    Ventoris 660

    I have one of these, too. It's a cool frame.

    It's reddish/silver blended.
     
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  11. LoveThisGame

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    Head dumped these good selling racquets for the IDS models of them, which sold poorly.

    I still have at least one customer for the Atlantis, Polaris, and Genesis. These folks don't want to change. The Atlantis customer did buy a new racquet about a year ago, but I notice his two Atlantis are what come in for stringing. My Ventoris customer has wimped out after knee surgery two years ago.
     
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  12. Sentinel

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    specs of Head Ventoris 660 please

    I play off and on with this old Head Ventoris 660 (made in Austria) and I am surprised how well it hits, how much I enjoy playing with it.

    Anyone have the specs of this ? Have searched a lot. What's the weight like ? Is it 0 pt HL ? Is 660 the head size in sq cm (102.3 sqi) ?
     
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  13. ApproachMan

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    There were actually several evolutions of this, The first series of these racquets had dark greenish lettering and I think black/purple/red colors (for Genesis, Atlantis, Polaris, etc). THis was the original Genesis/Atlantis/Polaris/Ventoris series. The following year, Head came out with the same racquets with a Bluish lettering job and suffixed the names with IDS. Genesis became Genesis IDS, Atlantis became Atlantis IDS, etc. A bit later, the entire series was renamed TriSys 150, 170, 190, increasing numbers corresponding with increasing power.

    Prince did something similar. The initial and original CTS line had Precision (24mm), Graduate, Approach(28mm), and Thunderstick(36mm). The following year, they added the CTS Lightning DB (26mm w/ DB system). Then the following year, they added CTS Blast (26mm) and CTS Storm (32mm), which was the last of this line-up. All of these racquets were replaced by the CTS Synergy line which used a Liquid Crystal Polymer to bond the graphite that was not quite as stiff as the original CTS series. The following year, there was the Vortex which had staggered grommets.

    The original CTS line competed with Genesis/Atlantis/etc. The Synergy line competed with the Trisys line.

    I was a fanatic about the level of stiffness of these great racquets. You can't find racquets today quite like these. I still have the original brochures for all of the Prince/Head/Wilson/Yamaha racquet lines during this era. I'd have to dig pretty hard for them though.

    Most of racquets during this time were ~12 oz and 6-8pts head light.
     
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  14. Sentinel

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    No I don't want you digging up. Thought someone might know or have a link of specs of old racks.

    Mine says Made in Austria, the frame is shiny, sparkling kind of paint, Head written in White on one side.The other side has 660 in white, and Ventoris is some color (praps green), I am totally colorblind.

    Tell me, when you say "level of stiffness" do you mean its a very stiff racquet ? (I am told some old racks like the T2000 were very flex).

    When i pick it up it seems the same weight as my Nblade 98 to which i have added about 25-30 grams weight - So the 12 oz region seems okay.
    OTOH, when i balance it with my finger, it seems to be evenly balanced.
     
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  15. ApproachMan

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    First of all, I'm not an expert, just someone who played juniors in the late 80's and early 90's. There is amazingly little information on the Internet about this incredibly good racquet.

    And yes, I know what racquet you are talking about. I played with it before.

    - As stated by someone else, the Ventoris was the least stiff in the Head Double Power Wedge line up.

    - I'm certain the racquet was ~12 oz and head light. (From the feel, it was > 4 pts head light). If it was even balanced, it certainly did not feel like it.

    - 660 as you said refers to the head size in square centimeters. The Heads came in 720 (oversize), 660 (mid plus), and 600 (mid).

    - In terms of stiffness, I would rate it as somewhat stiff, and probably stiffer than most so-called modern "players" racquets. Probably > 70 (rdc). As a point of reference for my opinion, I think the Genesis was probably > 80, and Wilson Profile 2.7 was probably > 85.

    The T2000 was NOT from this same generation of racquets. The Wilson T2000 came out in the late 1960's, early 1970's. The Ventoris came out in ~1991 or so when very stiff racquets were in vogue. At this time, Prince/Head/Wilson were coming out with very high profile, aggressively tapered racquets that were bazooka-like in power and unbelievably stiff.

    My personal belief is that the super stiff racquets of this era went out of vogue b/c of tennis elbow and the fact that pros did not buy into the whole stiffness fad.
     
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  16. Martingale

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    Approachman,

    " still have the original brochures for all of the Prince/Head/Wilson/Yamaha racquet lines during this era. I'd have to dig pretty hard for them though"

    Any chance to dig up the Yamaha ones, say during a rainy Sunday?
     
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  17. bigmatt

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    I didn't have specs for the 660, but I have the following for the 720: weight of 309g, balance point of 318mm. The 660 was a little heavier.
     
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  18. LoveThisGame

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    I have a customer playing with a Head Alantis 660. Its label is Head Atlantis, but it is the IDS version (mains start at head).
     
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  19. Silvermurpher

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    I had a Ventoris 660... think it said "TriSys" somewhere on it too...purchased about 1991. ******* Sporting, NYC, it was about $70. It was my first "real" racquet, and it was great. Very solid feel, good control. Made me (continue to) think Head was/is the best, for me anyway.

    Seems there are lots of versions/visions of the color... I'd say the one I had was brown, with metallic tone...guess you could see it as reddish/purplish tone, but I'd say brown.

    I gave it away to my old tennis partner because she liked it better than her racquet. She deserved it, but I do miss it a bit. Miss partner, too.
    Also gave her a Pro Tour 280, the blue classic...but fortunately I had 2 of those.

    Of these racquets, though, think I actually prefer the (silly-named) Ventoris, which is much less flexible.
     
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  20. Sentinel

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    This is the color of my Ventoris 660.
    When i place the frame over my 95" PS, they seem almost identical. Yet 660 cm converts to 102 sq i.
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  21. python

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    I have 2 of those silver ones as well as a reddish brown one. I didn't play with any of them long enough to form a strong opinion one way or another, but I thought they were quality racquets. Don't they use shared holes though, so they are somewhat hard to string?

    I like racquets from that era too. They were heavy and powerful.
     
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  22. Bud

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    Yes, definitely Ventoris. Don't forget HEAD measures by the inside of the frame. Others measure by the outside. Usually, they will be about 97-98 sq. in. for the 102 sq. in. racquets.
     
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  23. pitout

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    Head VentoriS 600

    Just found this one on freecycle. Cleaned it, strung it, new grip too. Now it's time for the courts. By the way this one is a VentoriS 600 not 660. It's mostly silver metalflake faded to black with green and white graphics. Made in Austria. Spec decals are cracked, shrunken and dang near impossible to read. Length is 27 1/4".
     
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