Heal injuries in half the time.

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  1. kiteboard

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    This is not recommended for people with heart issues, stroke issues,or blood pressure issues, or those taking blood thinners, or other types of blood related medicines, smokers, or older people who may have these issues but don't know it.

    First use ice on the injury immediately afterwards, 20 minutes on, and 20 minutes off for a few cycles. Once the swelling has gone down, and the pain abated somewhat, start using a vibrator that has a heat pad as part of it on the hurt muscle area, digging it into the hurt area so you increase circulation. This is supposed to cause a little pain, to focus the area.

    Then place the injury under a little stress, so that it hurts a little, such as in a stretching position.

    Here comes the martial arts technique: Focus on your core abdominal area and tighten it. Then "push" very hard, for a second and a half or so, towards the injury, so that your blood pressure goes through the roof. Relax and repeat. Focus your "chi" energy from the abdomen towards the injured area, in an attempt to flush out the injured particles and heal the energy in that damaged area, and improve circulation in that injured area. It feels as if you are trying to break through a log jam, and smash through the injury damage inside the hurt area, with this intended pushed focus. Hold the push for a few seconds, and repeat ten times, three times daily. Do this until the injury does not hurt you in daily life anymore. Healing time will be cut down by at least half. If you don't treat these, they can fester and molder forever, staying hidden until later years.
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    kiteboard, I've been boxing for many, many years now and have sparred with many kickboxers, Thai boxers, Kyokushinkais and Judokais and not a single one of them does this. You also NEVER want to put heat on an injury, ever. Heat is for when something is too stiff, not when it is strained.
     
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    I normally wouldn't bother commenting, only that putting a heating pad on a strain or other swelling related injury can very easily cause damage. You never use heat after an injury/activity.
     
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    Tightening the muscles can increase blood pressure in a targeted fashion towards the injury and flush out the bad stuff? Blood pressure can increase and go through the roof in a second by conscious action?

    I know of tests done on monks who can dramatically lower their heart rate and blood pressure through meditation, but I have not heard of increasing it and using it to flush out bad stuff.
     
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    Blood pressure has been my interest lately.

    I don't think it's a good idea to get your BP go "goes through the roof". That's dangerous for your blood vessels even if you do not have "heart issues, stroke issues,or blood pressure issues"

    If improving blood circulation or heart rate is the objective, running treadmill, putting your feet in warm water or massaging is good enough.
     
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    Here's modern day medicine's take on it: ibuprofen. No clenching your arms and buttocks needed.
     
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    For myself I am not a fan of icing for an injury as I have never felt it benefited me. The only time I use heat is mildly when in the shower as I doi not want to inflame. The body is smart and largely able to take care of itself. There is some scientific evidence that icing is actually bad for healing /swelling. As well as some people who claim to know better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UmJVgEWZu4

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    I don't know bud, I've competed nationally for Taekwondo and we never really did anything like this. I don't think I have the mental capabilities to do something like this.

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    or take vitalzym.
     
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    first of all, what kind of injury are you talking about?
     
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    Muscle pulls/tears/tendon injuries soft tissue injuries. Heat and ice deal with circulation, as does the chi shoving/pushing. Ice only immediately after.
     
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    The reason you ice a swelling injury is simple. Cells require oxygen. Swelling occurs when fluid floods an area due to inflammation or damage. So, what's the problem? This increase in fluid increases the amount of pressure in the injured area which makes it more difficult for the cells to receive the oxygen they crave. If the cells are oxygen deprived, then the tissue they are part of can become damaged. By icing, you are decreasing the metabolic rate of said cells and therefore lessen their oxygen requirements. If the pressure is high and the blood vessels are therefore less able to transport necessary nutrients to the site, the swelling itself can lead to surrounding tissue damage.

    So then, why on earth would the body cause swelling? When the area is injured, the body requires an increase in blood flow to the area to begin repairing it. Along with this comes a huge amount of fluid which accumulates in the surrounding areas. This fluid can clot (scar tissue!) and serves only to slow the passage of bacteria and toxins into and out of the site of injury. So yes, the swelling does serve a purpose, but it is minor compared to what can happen since if you know the injury isn't at risk of infection. This is why for tendinitis and bursitis NSAIDs are administered so that blood flow can resume to the area while reducing the swelling response.

    The reason why you NEVER want to heat a swollen area is because heating it increases the cells' metabolic rate, and if they're already not getting the oxygen they need, you're going to pretty much start manufacturing scar tissue without repairing anything. Heating ALSO increases blood flow to the area, and if you've damaged blood vessels in the area, you're going to increase the bleeding from these damaged vessels. You obviously do not want this. The argument against swelling treatment is for this: to allow increased blood flow to the area. Unfortunately, your body is not focused on what that fluid is doing to the surrounding tissue.
     
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    Try it once on a soft tissue injury. What do you have to lose? Forget ice/heat. Just do the shoving three times a day. Then report on it, pos/neg. It will heal in half the time if you do it as described. Soft tissue injuries can hide for years and recur. This is due to energy damage not dealt with. Let pv be the test of it. Not many know this.
     
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    A lot. I have a right shoulder capsule full of scar tissue from people mis-reading MRIs and thinking I just had tight muscles. They did ultrasonic treatment and heat treatments for years only to realize that all they'd done is lock a torn tendon in scar tissue and reduce my ROM by about 35%. I cant touch my back with my right hand, that's how clogged up my shoulder joint is. There was no negative energy in my shoulder or negative particles floating around. It was chronic damage which led to a tear that went unnoticed. Straining myself would have done nothing but potentially popped some blood vessels. So when you say to try ancient martial arts techniques which no modern martial artist practices in favor of tried and true medicine, I say a lot. You have a lot to lose.

    I sure as hell will not be.
     
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    Ok. And what if you are wrong and you could heal it?
     
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    What if I'm wrong? The tear healed years ago. It's the scar tissue that remains, there's nothing to heal.
     
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    OP - How do you know this works?
     
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    Ever notice how many people will bad mouth a string without trying it themselves? AS if they know? (L-tec, os/4s ie.) Same goes for this. Energy flow does exist in your body just as blood vessels do, in a networked pattern, but it fluctuates more, is in flux more. These flows get damaged when your tissue is damaged. This technique forges the damaged gap, the cuts in the flow, as well as speed circulation.

    It's like practice. No practice with energy flow, and you remain unaware of it, and it goes to waste. It's like unit turning faster and uncoiling faster, and deciding which shot to hit faster. Defending your contact point faster. It's all energy related. More than just technique and strokes.

    Decide to do all of it faster and you will. You will also become a great deal better at not making ue.
     
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    I ripped my hamstring in a tournament, on icy steps, over the week end. I've since healed it. No more pain anyway. If you've ever ripped a ham, it can last for years untreated. It's four days of treatment. I lost the match 7-6 6-4, but that was due to the rip. I'm not special. Before treatment, I had a ham rip that lasted 7 years. And I'm mid fifties, not 18.

    How do I know it was a real rip? Great pain, no sleep, limping, soreness, swelling, weakness upon lifting leg in postions, knotted sore spot, pain upon touching, slower movements, etc. Anyone else heal a ham rip in four days? No.
     
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    You did not tear your hamstring, lose a close match, and then be recovered in 4 days. That is fundamentally impossible, and I mean impossible. You would be unable to walk if you actually tore your hamstring. Pulled muscles are ranked in "Grades", and a Grade 1 hamstring pull takes approximately 3 weeks from physical activity to recover. A Grade 3 is a tear and requires surgery and that many months to recover.
     
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    For god's sake people, don't take pseudo-medical advice from random people on the internet........
     
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    I'm trying the best that I can to make sure that doesn't happen.
     
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    Sorry, that type of injury takes a couple weeks to heal. The cells involved in repairing a hamstring rip takes 3-4 days just to get to the site. You had acute inflammation at most. Your body did NOT repair a hamstring rip in 4 days. Biologically impossible. Stop making crap up.
     
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    There probably is a lesser injury, below a grade on strain that may heal in 4 days. Over all though, I see no science in this method of healing. Though, if you believe in it, you may be able to take advantage of the placebo effect.
     
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    not sure about healing but mastering tai chi will help you prevent getting seriously injured in the first place so I see benefit there.
     
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    I can say that the symptoms were there. A lower grade pull. Without this treatment, this type of pull in my previous history would take 3 weeks to heal. It's now ready for match play five days later. I've played matches with: broken racquet hand, pulled calf, pulled groin, pulled ham, destroyed ankle at work. My job involves daily physical pain. I once took the first set off the number 1 norcal open player, the day after being jumped by six black teenagers. So I know a little bit about the subject of playing hurt! (Got one of them put away from local high school pics. Punk called me that am to threaten me about showing to court.) Lost the next two sets though. Pain got to me. Black eyes, bruises, broken hand, and still took the first set off the #1 open player in northern cal. What should that tell you? It should tell you that almost no here could have done that uninjured, let alone with a broken fractured frame hand.

    I find it telling that no one sees any value out of the obvious. This works. Not just with me, with anyone willing to hear it. Anyone who does not believe in the energetic fields, talk to chinese medicine experts like Djokovics doctor Igor Cetkovic. Although it's usually a waste of time posting here, someone may benefit from it. If you do, let others know.

    Igor came onto his team in June 2010, and his winning streak began shortly after. He treated Dj with the scio machine and accupuncture daily. That's when Dj's speed went up and his consistency also. When the doc left after wimby win, Dj started going back down to normal again and losing a lot more. Dj even bought a scio machine to inject himself with energetic fields.

    In my experience, this also heals back pulls over night as well. Works best if you tighten abdomen core, and bend over, and "shove" from ab towards your lower back and simultaneously towards the injury. Blood pressure goes through the roof for a short time. Not for the faint of heart or easily frightened.
     
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    no need to get too dismayed. I'm in medical field and have studied science up to the level where I have presented my work at conferences. and I have to say there is so much alternative medicine and oriental traditions can offer in terms of preventative health, longevity, and mental health, and probably more. so I pay attention to your kind of post but it takes a shift in belief system and culture to see the power of these areas and it's simply difficult for majority of people who really don't feel the need to question their beliefs.
    don't know about your assertion Djok is playing worse now that doctor is gone but it's interesting theory.
     
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    He was virtually undefeated during the doc's tenure, and began losing at the year end tournament and davis cup after he left. It was energy related, as you could see in his movements and attitude.

    It is unsettling to me that so many would put it down, without any experience doing it. That is the same as reviewing a string without actually using it: os/4s, ie.

    I use this every time I get hurt and it works each time. And no one here has, yet, so many are willing to bad mouth it. Pathetic and usual.
     
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    There are various levels of credibility. I am also into alternate medicine and herbs. It is the reality that certain claims have to be rejected without trying them out.
     
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    kiteboard, you DO know that I am black, right? So when you say you got jumped by black teenagers as though that's fundamentally different to being mugged by 6 people in general, it makes me take you even less seriously than I am. Which wasn't very serious at all in the first place, so on that note, good day.
     
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    I hope you were just as offended when larry bird stated he felt insulted when the opposing
    team put a white player to guard him.
     
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    It tells me you have regularly chosen to use unsound judgment and have dangerously and foolishly chosen to play in physically compromised conditions. "Energetic fields." G, I think you have been shocked by electricity too many times while on the job.

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    Hah, I'm not offended in the slightest. I honestly do not think that kiteboard is racist nor would I care if he is. I was just pointing out that he made a point to mention that it was six extra dangerous black teens rather than just being mugged by 6 teens.
     
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    Actually I had a quite similar experience with a torn calf during the warm up for
    1st rd of Alta playoffs. I was carried off the court by teammates and replaced.
    I started a schedule of vitalzym (blend of enzymes for recovery) and was ready
    for our second round match the next weekend. Calf tears normally heal slower
    than Hams in my experience. I've seen guys lose 6 wks to 6 months with them.
    I did use ice the 1st two days as well and was about 80%+ for the match and we won easily.
    Yes...it was torn, with all the black and blue discoloring that dropped down to
    the ankle area. There are ways to improve healing.
     
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    This is the kind of stupid and offensive statement when someone points out an issue. Larry Bird is not the topic of discussion here, and did not post here. It is a comment made by one poster about another poster. Whether that rises to the level of being offensive or not is not the point. The point is statements like yours that someone who complains about something must also show proof of having complained about something else which did not involve him or anyone under discussion. No, people do not have to solve the world's problems before pointing out that something is wrong. And they do not have to be perfect people in their daily lives either.

    You really need to educate yourself on these issues. Arguments like yours were standard decades ago, and you are stuck in that time.
     
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    it's unfortunate the color jumps out from his anecdote but if it was true I don't believe there's much issue about racism. no generalization just specific incident.

    he didn't need to mention the color for the purpose of the story but I think most of us can see thru those peculiar and personal tendencies can't we?
     
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    cool, another thread on the way to being deleted:)
     
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    Hey, I take probably the most relaxed view on race of anyone I know, but unfortunately life experiences do shape our perceptions. My remark was not intended to start a firestorm, but it was too obvious to me that it needed to be black muggers to be on the same level as playing with torn muscles. As I said, I think no differently of kiteboard nor do I think he's racist. I just chose to call it out. It is these subtle things that people don't realize do indeed get noticed. Besides, kiteboard has far too many other peculiar traits for anyone to call him anything but eccentric :D
     
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    Lighten up Francis, lol.
    I didn't make any argument. Just made a statement that added some perspective. If you
    don't get that or appreciate that...it's fine.
    Not sure where you dreamed up the idea that we shouldn't comment on those who don't post here?
     
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    Exactly...he's just trying to turn it into something it isn't or either really
    doesn't understand.
     
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    Haha, I know you weren't. My comment was more just to make light of it and
    show how it goes both ways...and does little good to be sensitive to it. The
    fact that he added some level of description to his attackers means little.
     
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    Kiteboard's comment wasn't 100% innocent. You think he would have said '6 white teens' if that were the case?

    Then he calls everyone here 'pathetic' for not adopting his quick healing scheme.
    And last week he calls Andy Murray 'a jerk' and 'not deserving of his talent' because of the 'emotional poisoning of his timing' and not properly channeling his 'subconscious clock engine'. whatever.

    Kiteboard, you're becoming annoying.
     
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    Thinking back over it at lunch, I think I overreacted.
     
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    must have been a good lunch:)
     
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    I have an example of someone who does not believe in energetic fields, and that is the makers of Power Balance in Australia.

    http://news.discovery.com/human/power-balance-maker-admits-bands-are-worthless.html

    If you don't want to click on the article here are several quotes -

     
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    I have read a lot about this - energy fields, halos, chakras, qi, energized water, magnetic and ionic bracelets, etc. There is an underlying truth that every "thing" is ultimately just vibrations or waves and also that quantum effects are completely true yet completely at odds with everyday experience. The practitioners of these energy methods use these concepts to imply that somehow these effects are important in what they are doing. Because the body emits electromagnetic waves does not mean that moving a metal ring over an injury will fix the problem. Because the planets and stars exert gravitational force on us does not mean they control our destiny.

    But what can you say when the staple of "travel" and "science" channels on TV are shows about paranormal things like ghosts and haunted hotels and spirits. A guy goes around with a meter and pronounces that a ghost has been sensed. A woman is "sure" that a spirit bumped into her and vanished. There are actually companies which will send investigators to hunt down the ghosts in your home.
     
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    That would be a positive thing considering the bad medical advice and unintended offensive comments.
     
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    Can/should we embrace the notion of alternative medicine?
    Do we need to knock any new idea? Or any idea we don't embrace?
    And of course, as said, what do we really HAVE to lose? Most veteran docs know there are lots of alternative healing processes that seem to work.
    I don't think anyone is saying the cure works for every injury every time, just that it might be a viable alternative to conventional medicine.
     
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