Heaviest racquet used by a pro?

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  1. Frank Silbermann

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    I used to believe that the heaviest racquet ever used by a highly ranking player was that of Don Budge, whose was 16 oz. Recently, though, I read that Pete Sampras' racquet was also 16 oz. If that's so, then maybe someone had a heavier one.

    So, what's the heaviest racquet ever used by any pro?
     
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  2. Shaolin

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    I thought Samps' prostaff was more like 14oz, which is still a club.
     
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  3. Anonymous

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    No no no. Sampras' racket was a bit under 14 ounces. I heard of some Jack Kramer Pro Staff or something or another that was made for Jack Kramer himself, almost 17 ounces or therabouts.
     
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  4. Rabbit

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    Sampras' racket was weighted very closely to the Jack Kramer ProStaff.

    I heard one of the pros on TV say that Johann Kriek played with a 16 ounce frame.
     
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  5. @wright

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    I bet you'd get used to that kind of a club after awhile. If you could lift it up to serve, you could hit a seriously heavy ball.
     
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  6. deflori

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    i only say "thomas Muster"

    i dont know how much,but that was a big hammer: )
     
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  7. Frank Silbermann

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    I know that Sampras' racquet weighs less than 16 ounces new. I meant 16 ounces after he applies the lead tape. Whose racquet was heaviest _after_ customization?
     
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    I have not heard of any of the current players leading up thier rackets over 14 oz's and I thought Sampras was in the 13+ range. Many of the players in the wood era would weightup the stock 13 oz rackets by a few ozs and some had custom produced wood rackets like Borg and Kramer. The custom JK autograph was about 17 oz's. The standard Donnay Borg Pro was 13oz so the one that was made for Bjorn with the extra wood laminations on the throat lower hoop must have added atleast 1..2 ozs, maybe more like the Kramer ? I have one of the JK auto rackets made for Jack and it is approx 17 oz.
     
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  9. galain

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    Not that I know this through any personal experience, but from what I've heard and read here, both Taylor Dent and Mark Philippousis swing a pretty heavy frame. I don't know what the specs are though - maybe Takumi or Thomas might be bale to help out?
     
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    Nate Fergueson, Sampras' racket technician, said that Sampras' rackets after customization weigh close to 14 ounces. His rackets are weighted and balanced like a Jack Kramer ProStaff (the wooden model) which weighed around 14 ounces in the Medium weight.
     
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  11. Richard Parnell

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    I remember having Thomas Musters racquets in my hand and they were about 400 grms (seriously heavy).How much is 16oz anyway.Have a great one..
     
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  12. mach1

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    400.000 gram [g] 14.12000 ounce [oz]
    &
    16.000 ounce [oz] 453.60000 gram [g]
     
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  13. Ronaldo

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    Read Ivan Lendl loaded up between 16 to 18 oz when playing on clay. Bet that stick could deliver a melonshot that would send you straight to palookaville, Termination complete.
     
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  14. Rabbit

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    <clearing throat> I have a couple of Ivan Lendl's frames. They go at around 14.5 ounces.
     
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    18 frickin oz? Geez, he must have had tree trunk hitting arm syndrome real bad.
     
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  16. joe sch

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    Rabbit raised a point that all of the customized frames, like the bosworth lendl frames, were not leaded up until Warren would actually string them for Ivan. Thus for clay events, he added an extra oz or so. It would be a nightmare to be on the other side of the court against a hard flat hitter like Lendl or Connors. I would image it would be sorta like trying to return Sampras serve for a match.
     
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  17. Rabbit

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    I'm not so sure that he added an extra ounce or better. Lendl's frames never had any visible lead on them, and I think I remember reading that early on, Bosworth would actually inject lead into the frame. It would be interesting to know how much additional work was done on the frames that Bosworth sold. Later in Lendl's career, he most certainly would have had frames sent from the factory to a closer spec to what he wanted. I suspect that the rackets are very close to what Lendl wanted as the final product with just a little tweaking.
     
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  18. Deuce

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    I've got mine up to 390 grams, which is about 13.75 oz. It only feels 'heavy' after I pick up my opponent's racquet.
     
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  19. Sean Dugan

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    Yea, me too. My frames are all 390 to 400m grams. As long as the balance is an inch, or so, head light, I can still whip them around rather fast. I haven't noticed any decrease in swing speed. The real difference for me is the frame is much more stable. If you hit with hard hitters, it makes a huge difference, as a heavy racquet doesn't recoil the way a lighter one does. If I hit with a sub 13 ounce frame, it feels like a toy now. I don't see how any male touring pro could play with a sub 13 ounce frame, as those guys hit the ball so hard, and with so much spin.
     
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  20. PureCarlosMoyaDrive

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    My racquet was 13.4 ounces, pretty heavy. Now like 13.1, but it feels fine. I hate using lighter racquets now too.
     
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  21. Matt H.

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    well, you have to put it into perspective a bit.


    Pete's racquet being 14 ounces while playing TODAY's style of game, versus a 16 oz racquet back in the day....and on clay to top it off.


    After looking at it that way, i think Pete has the heaviest racquet.
     
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  22. Kobble

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    Seems like alot of boys like PCMD, Deuce, and Dugan are shunning the sissy sticks. I agree, I cannot stand anything under 13 oz. Mine weighs in at around 13.2 oz. head light. If I remember correctly, Sampras used a 14.0 oz stick that is evenly balanced. Muster uses something over 14.0 oz, and it is head heavy! The weight is nothing, but the balance is nuts. I have an evenly balanced 12.5 racquet, and it is almost as difficult to swing as a 14.0 oz stick. Has anybody tried to copy the specs of Muster and Pete? What were your results?
     
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  23. PureCarlosMoyaDrive

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    Ya, Muster with the 14 ounce head heavy racquet, one-handed backhand, all with amazing head speed and spin, not to mention some of the best consistency ever, is insane. I don't know how he did it.

    But even when I use like a 12.2 or so racquet that's headlight, it's junk to me. My 13.4 ounce racquet was closer to even, like 5 pts head light, and that was pretty beastly. Now at 13.1 at like 7 + points headlight, much easier to generate the spin I need.

    But I would even want to try to use Muster's racquet.
     
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  24. BILLYBORG

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    JIMMY CONNORS' T-2000 WAS "HEAVILY" WEIGHTED WITH LEAD TAPE!

    I had the opportunity at the US Indoor Open in Memphis, TN years ago, where the pro's stringer was doing several of Connors' T-2000's, and he let me actually hold one of the racquets. He had so much lead tape on top of the racquet head that it would totally blow away the 18 oz. of others!
     
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  25. gregraven

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    I've posted the specs for Taylor's frame elsewhere on this BB, but if I remember correctly the weight was around 386 grams. As to Mark, Nate told me that his racquet was pushing 14 ounces.
     
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  26. bamboo

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    Ernie Banks used a 30 oz. baseball bat - Nadal uses a stock Aeropro, 11.2 oz. - whatever floats your boat - the 14 ouncer on the pro tour is extinct and not about to stage a comeback.
     
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  27. alan-n

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    My NCode 6.1 95 is 12.8 Oz, no additional weight was added, just overgrip and rubberband dampener. Anything less than 12.5 Oz just doesn't seem to provide enough stability to handle heavy shots on the 1HBH side.
     
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  28. Astennix

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    Gaudio's frame is 13.5 ounces...
     
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  29. oiler90

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    Lendl had the least to work with...

    Frame for frame, when you look at the technology these guys have available to them, Lendl and Connors clearly were cavemen competing against men of the future. Although Connors used a metal frame and did quite well into the mid-80's, he really just got over-powered late in his career after '84. Lendl really was amazing to be able to use a small headed racquet, with a very flexible neck and head, strung at 72#, and loaded with weight that measured into the 14-16 ounce range. He hung with the best of the best into the early 90's when he was forced out w/ a chronic back injury. In my opinion, to do what Lendl did to 3 different generations of players (80-84: Borg/McEnroe/Connors; 85-88: Wilander/Mecir/Krickstein; 89-92: Edberg/Sampras/Becker) with the inferior equipment that he chose to do it with is simply amazing to me.
     
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  30. AAAA

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    From what I heard/read:

    Sampras ~ 380g strung.
    Phillippoussis ~ close to 400g strung.

    and the source was reliable.
     
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  31. chad shaver

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    I think I've heard the same thing, AAAA. And most of the weight added to Flipper's racquet was in the head too, right?
     
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  32. Cuzza

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    Phillippoussis uses close to 450g, from what I've heard from the pro at the local tennis/pro shop.
     
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  33. mctennis

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    All of these statements are the things we've "heard". Does ANYONE really know what their racquets weight?
     
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  34. morten

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    Cussa,Mark P close to 450...LOL No way.About the same as Sampras,lead in head,still headlight. average weight now on tour is 360-370 strung, with overgrip and dampener.
     
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  35. pro10is

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    I own some Wilson PS 85 racquets made by Nate Furguson to the exact specs as Sampras's racquet. Nate even had me send him my string because it's that exact. If you really want to know I can find out how much it weighs. I'm sponsored by Babolat now so I use a Pure Drive and would need to get the Wilson's out of my storage locker. I believe I have one that's still wrapped in the original plastic and never used. Allthough I never played on the tour, only coached, I did have Nate make me a Wilson PS 85 training racquet that weighs 600 grams. To Nate's and my best knowledge it is the heaviest racquet ever made. Please don't try this on your own. This racquet was built by the best racquet builder on earth. The purpose was to find the most biomechanicaly efficient strokes and build internal shoulder strength. This was done over a two year period with racquets increasing by 50 grams every 6 months. It was also important to increase the external shoulder muscles on both sides as well as the entire region.
    And yes it does hit a monster heavy ball.
     
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  36. AAAA

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    Something like that Chad. A former-player-now-commentator had a hit with it and said it was extremely difficult to maneuver but if he got the thing swinging in the right direction he could murder the ball.
     
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  37. tennisnoob

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    Sounds like Nate made you a Rocket Propelled Launcher, not a tennis racquet.....
     
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    This is what Nate says himself about Pete's racket:
    I have independent confirmations of this.
    An italian journal weighted in the 90s his racket and found 393g, balanced 32.3 cm from the grip.

    One of the stringers in Montreal worked for Pete in the 90s. He mentioned to me 389g.
     
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  39. bc-05

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    mine's actually around 420-430 grams.. even balanced.. do u consider as a shotgun? or is it still light? i mean i could go increasing it more.. but pwoahhh those weight increasing things that they do at my stringer are damn expensive... if i use lead tape itll make my racquets look ugly so ill just leave it at this.. but what do u guys think with 420-43o grams racquet evenly balanced?
     
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    Are you playing S-V? Because then it might be difficult to go higher.

    And you must have a performance-related target, not just loading the racket for the sake of it.

    In my case (410g 6.0 85) it was mainly for helping me with my tennis elbow, and it did.
     
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  41. bc-05

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    well sometimes i play against pennant players.. who serves like close to 200ks an hour but as for perfomance-related target.. people say loading it will give u heavy balls.. like watermelon balls.. i wanna know what a watermelon balls feels like.. as for serve and volleying on my serves mostly i go forward.. but then when returning i mostly stay at the baseline.. unless i really feel the need to go forward.. does loading weight onto a racquet help tennis elbow? i thought itll make it worse.. plus adding a shoulder injury to it...
     
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    well, it helps, but you must find your limits, and after multiple attempts, I found my current ones.
     
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  43. fedex27

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    thats a big stick, what is it?
     
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  44. splink779

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    I'm curious, what level are you guys who weigh your racquets 13+ oz? Seems pretty ridiculous for anyone but collegiates or pros to use something heavy like that, especially if you swing anything other than eastern.
     
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  45. foetz

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    must second that.
    i can't play with under ~350g. otherwise i have the feeling like i would flatter...

    i go continental on nearly everything except very low balls i want to speed up.
     
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  46. bamboo

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    He's a challenger level player by now on a good day, why would anyone want to follow his lead?
     
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    ncode n61 tour.. u know whats funny though.. when i play competition tennis.. it feels normal using it.. like u cant feel the difference.. but then when i play with my gf or some friends.. i normally use my other n61 which hasnt got any mods to it.. and i picked up my modified one.. u can feel the difference.. but for some reason with the heavier one it feels better.. it doesnt shake when u hit the ball and i like the noise it makes when u hit the ball.. the noise u make is a thump noise and feels like ur thumping cricketball with a tennis racquet.. rather than a popping sound u make with a standard n61
     
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  48. TennisD

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    Same with me. Ever since I went up to a heavy racquet, I can not go back. In fact, I just got 5 new PC's with LM paintjobs in today! However, my racquet is "light" compared to some here. It's only 380 grams...
     
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  49. SAMPRAS

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    Hi friends
    I have a China one Wilson ProStaff 6.0 85sm with 4 3/8 grip ,so i made it 4 / 58 with adding some extra tarboard to make the grip 5.
    Making this my racquet weights now 386 gr. with string Wilson Sensation 15 L Gauge.The balance is at 30sm from the grip.So know i want to put some lead tapes at 3 and 9 o'clock but i don't knowhow much.Someone told me about Pete's racquet that is around 390-395 gr but with balance 32.5 so i schould put now 50 gr. to make my racquet like sampras one.And it will be about 436gr-CRAZY :mad: .But without lead tapes at the frame i don't feel the racquet- and don't have problems with the elbow and when i put weights -what will happend?

    What schoud i do?

    THANKS
     
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  50. sureshs

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    Someone posted here recently that the Bryans use 14.5 oz sticks.
     
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