Heavy coffee drinking linked to increase in death

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  1. Nostradamus

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    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/809519?nlid=32626_1901&src=wnl_edit_dail&uac=143037PY


    Researchers report that heavy coffee consumption, defined as more than 28 cups of coffee per Week, is associated with an increased risk of all-cause mortality among men.

    A Cup Is 8 oz, Not 20!

    For men and women 55 years of age and younger, the association between heavy coffee consumption and all-cause mortality is more pronounced.


    In a multivariate analysis, men who drank more than 28 cups of coffee had a statistically significant 21% increased risk of all-cause mortality. In women, the risk was not statistically significant. In men younger than 55 years of age, drinking more than 28 cups per week was associated with a 56% increased risk of death compared with nondrinkers. In younger women, such heavy consumption increased the risk of death 113% compared with those who did not drink coffee.
     
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    I heard that the mortality rate of people who do not drink coffee at all and neither any tea is very close to 100%.

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    We all drink a lot of coffee everyday. this is coffee addicted nation. that is why Starbucks can charge ridiculous $5-7 for a cup of mocha Valencia or mocha frappe and get away with it.

    I paid nearly $5 for orange valencia refresher the other day and 3/4 of the cup was ICE. I paid 5 bucks for cup of Ice. :(
     
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    Not really, the drip coffee has the highest caffeine content and is under two dollars and if you have a Starbucks card you can get free refills.

    All those exotic drinks you mention are just sugar traps.
     
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    I can't handle coffee. Even one shot in the morning gives me trouble falling asleep at night, especially if I do it a few days in a row.
     
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    believe or not, some guys drink coffee before the match, coffee with 2 expresso shots.
     
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    I'm a six espresso shots a day kind of guy.

    But that's supposed to have less caffeine and I take no milk or sugar, but anyway I can't and won't be giving up!

    One needs a few vices.
     
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    Here's the caffeine content of Drip/Espresso/Brewed Coffee:
    Drip 115-175 (7 oz cup) Espresso 100 1 serving (1-2oz) Brewed 80-135 (7 oz cup)

    A shot of espresso has about the same caffeine content as a cup of coffee.

    I take these studies with a grain of salt. One will say something is bad, the next will say it is good.

    I drink about one cup a day, two at most. I drink a lot of Diet Cola though.

    Too much of anything is bad for you. I think if one uses common sense, everything in moderation, you will be okay.

    There are people who live to ripe old ages that drink whiskey and smoke cigarettes and health nuts who die of cancer at 30.

    Caffeine does constrict blood vessels but also acts as a diuretic. Too much caffeine does have an effect on bp and heart rate which might
    contribute to strokes and heart attacks.

    Juan Valdez told me drinking coffee was okay though so I think I am good. :)

    Driving while still asleep (in the morning) is probably more hazardous to my health than having a nice cup of joe to start the day.
     
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    I've been told coffee is good for reducing or delaying dementia (old age / senile). Someone has been forwarding me articles which I've not really read.
     
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    It's been 8 or 9 months since I've had a cup of joe.

    I can say with absolutely certainty that it was incredibly beneficial for getting me through university.
     
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    You can thank them later. Imagine if it was cup full of coffee, you'd be dead by now :shock:
     
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    So, you put them somewhere and forgot to read them?
    Here, have some coffee, old man
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    before during and after. man up dudes
     
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    ...and I usually feel like I'm dying in the morning if I DON'T have a coffee...
     
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    I read somewhere that coffee before tennis was bad because caffeine causes eye to "tremor" or shake (or how to put it?) on a micro level, which in turn causes you to be less able to focus on the ball and reduce your depth perception. Anyone else heard this?
     
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    Let's remember that a National Institutes of Health study of 400,000 subjects, published June 2012, found that every cup of coffee up to one's fifth cup daily (or 35 cups a week) conferred INCREASED longevity and supported the health value of coffee. The study was a carefully performed metaanallysis of other studies. So clearly it's premature to suggest that coffee is bad for you. Also, the fact that the study cited by the OP found a stronger correlation with death among YOUNGER subjects is odd and causes one to wonder if these were truck drivers glugging coffee to stay awake and then getting into accidents, overstressed middle aged earners glugging coffee to stay awake so they can overwork, etc. In the citations I've seen for the current cited study here, cause of death is not analyzed, and that would be very important to do.
     
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    Plus, every one of us is going to die of heart disease or cancer, statistically speaking. Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive :)
     
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    Yes, well, hardly anyone smokes any more so rationality rules.
     
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    Perhaps it even helps considering Connors had an eye problem. :)
     
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    Coffee before tennis can cause urgent bathroom requirements
     
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    Ollinger what do you think about B complex supplements as an energy booster?

    For example:

    http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=16513126
     
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    A Harvard medical school study done about two years ago found that coffee drinking significantly reduced prostrate cancer in men. So, go figure. I love coffee in the morning and can't do squat unless I drink 2 to 3 cups by 9AM.
     
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    might be of some value for energy given what they do intracellularly, though people seem to have better results with ginseng for energy.
     
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    Is there a lot of science behind ginseng or is it just one of those "it works" type things?
     
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    Cool. I like these things. They get me going in the AM, but not in a jittery way. Just curious if there were any risks there.
     
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    it is amazing you are still live and well. expresso shots have less caffeine ?? Then why do I feel 3 times hyper after drinking expresso shots vs just regular coffee ?
     
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    I thought ginseng was an '80s thing. Surprised to hear about it today. I thought i read somewhere it just had placebo value.
     
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    Good point. They found correlation, but not necessarily causation. A problem I see with many health studies.
     
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    Eh. I just interpret this as people who drink a ton of coffee don't take very good care of themselves. Correlation studies just aren't very useful..
     
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    Classic example of the Texas sharpshooter fallacy.
     
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    You are born.
    You WILL die.
    What you can control is the quality of your life. YOU can choose to drink coffee, not drink coffee.
     
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    Reading the study, it seems that they tried to account for confounders:

    Also noticed that the study population was quite large: 43,327 participants.
     
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    Tell em no ice or light ice, next time ;)
     
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    top quality coffee is a wonderful thing. Very hard for me to resist. bad coffee is easy to give up.
     
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    I don't drink coffee at all. Never have. I guess I'll live forever. :)
     
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    Coffee is a drug that is physically addictive so you do develop a tolerance for it.



     
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    It's hardly a problem. It's a somewhat inevitable limitation. So you need to be careful when interpreting the results.

    If there was a causation between coffee and death as with arsenic and death then no one would take it.

    It doesn't mean that coffee does not have bad effects on health over time, but the other thing to take into account is the explosion of caffeine consumption due to the rise of energy drinks.



     
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    Attention!

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    That study has been debated and caused a great deal of controversy.
    A few similar studies have been done in the US and according to one of the doctors, Dr. Trick Nichtwahr , living is a fluctuating state of existance and therefore can or cannot be appreciate by his patients.
    A healthy lifestyle allowing for the occasional binge ,be it coffee or tea, can make for a more enjoyable experience according to him.

    Well,its obvious this is tricky ground.
     
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    Yup.

    Some say we have a limited number of breaths. If you breathe slower ... One (expert) yogi once knew he had only one breath left to live. He took it over 24 hours for some specific reason. (Source: Tibeten book of living and dying - Sogyal Rinpoche).

    Some say the same thing about heartbeats.

    Pseudo-science, i say.
     
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    Coffee is actually pretty heathy for you if you drink it black. Of course too much of anything is bad for you.
     
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    oxygen is dangerous, world's most powerful oxidant :shock:
     
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    Critiques say more studies are needed to confirm

    It is actually healthy for you if you keep it 2 cup or less per day. but 5 or more cups per day can increase your chance of death.
    now I understand this is kind of scary to us heavy 4-6 cups per day drinkers. I take double expresso shots so I must be drinking like 15 cups per day.
    but that study critique did tell us that it was not well controlled study. Meaning it was not randomized. and authors did say it is very difficult to do randomized double blind study with something like Coffee. and increase in Death that was seen in the study may have been due to OTHER factors as well, not just coffee.

    So take this study with grain of salt. it May mean something or It may Not mean something. We need more better controlled study with Coffee to prove this effect.
     
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    Frankly I think the conclusions are too soft. Not only was there a correlation but in all cases where the patient actually stopped doing it it was already too late.
     
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    Salt. Sugar. Fat. Preserved pickled foods.
    Meh, all kills... ate them all past 24hrs.

    You guys should try Malaysian coffee, it's not dry roasted
    but wok fried with butter/margarine... plus salt, char ash etc.

    Much as I like pulling on my Rancilio with fresh ground beans,
    Malaysian caffe is away more addictive :twisted:
     
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    Agree, If your diet is healthy, your body is strong enough to handle cups of coffee a day.
     
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    I don't even like coffee that much.

    Give me mint/herbal tea any day of the week over coffee.
     
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    come to think of it, back in my 3-8cup/day career... was also very high stress & crazy deadlines
     
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