Heavy Topspin is Overrated.

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  1. Mick3391

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    Topspin is incredibly important. However the problem these days is that kids are trained to ONLY do topspin. To be an all-court player, we need topspin when it calls for it, flat shots when it calls, and slice.

    I trained my son on flat shots. Today he got KILLED in a USTA Tourny by a topspin monster, but that is not why he lost.

    He lost 6-3, but my sons serves (I just am not a trainer, I can't get him a serve), gave the other kid 2-3 games. My sons serve just lobbed over and the other kid killed it with topspin.

    So we are now working on topspin, and slice, when I say "Working", it means hours and hours of work.

    The most important thing in Tennis, in my opinion, is movement and shot placement. A guy can KILL a topspin shot over, but if you move, you can do whatever you want with it.

    By the way, if whatever losers who have nothing to do but criticize me, I want to be on this forum, I just can't handle the heckling over and over, not reading what I say before commenting. I figured I'm a 5.5, because techically you have to be ranked to be a 6.0, but I figured that since I WAS ranked, should I lower my ranking even though I can beat ranked guys?

    I played Justin Bower, he's 34 and went to 2nd round at Wimbledon, he's second only to Fed at the most consecutive weeks without a loss, he's beat Mardy Fish, and he was great, yea, but his shots didn't impress me, it was his movement, after ten minutes I was dead, so yea rank me where you like, I WOULDN'T beat Bower, but I can hold my own, so criticize all you want, it's fact.
     
  2. vil

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    Hmm....you made a point, but I can't understand what's this bit of self-defence all about. It's like you were preparing for a shower of criticism.:confused:
     
  3. KenC

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    I think you got the point of the post. Yes topspin is very important for today's game, but it is only one element and plays a supporting role, not a dominant role. Topspin doesn't win matches. When was the last time someone lost and said "I couldn't handle the guy's topspin?" Topspin is an element of tennis, not a strategy.
     
  4. firepanda

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    I'm surprised to see this thread is still alive. Tennis tips is much much better reading than anything in pro discussion.

    I thought I'd just repeat myself and say topspin is vital at the highest levels. No pro can hit the ball and have it land in without topspin, not even the Del Potros. It's also an extremely effective tactic at both pro and amateur levels in a consistent, baseline game.

    However, it is completely overrated and overused by people lacking footwork, technique and/or power. I just saw my nephew play. He uses a western grip, completely open stance and WW forehand. His favourite player is Nadal. >_>
    I swear I could hear his wrist dislocate a little more with every shot.
     
  5. Cheetah

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    You'd understand if you look at some of his previous posts. same pattern.
     
  6. vil

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    Ok, I sensed there must've been something happening previously...:twisted:
     
  7. Power Player

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    I love reading your posts. They are usually so off base and close minded that it is hilarious. Pretty sure you are the guy who said that Jerzy is the only guy on tour hitting with a correct forehand. That's awesome. Someone needs to contact Murray, Djoker, Rafa, Fed..etc and let them know that their inferior technique is incorrect and they need to return their slam trophies immediately.
     
  8. Power Player

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    Exactly. I have really flattened out my trajectory lately, and the spin is still on the ball. Both can be done.
     
  9. WildVolley

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    Among younger juniors there's a lot of topspin moon-balling that wins matches. At the more advanced levels, especially on hard courts, less moon balling takes place.

    There's also a certain level of mythology you'll hear about net clearance in the professional game that simply isn't true. I've heard people claim that 3-6' above the net is standard for the professional men. On hard courts at least this isn't true. I try to get out to professional tournaments when I can. Usually the average rally ball is hit in a window from 1' to 4' over the net with a lot of pace and spin. Some players cut it much closer and you'll see multiple shots in a set tick off the top of the net cord.

    I don't think the pros are aiming to net skim, but it is a result of driving the ball hard with a lot of topspin. The modern drive forehand has a lot of vertical component to put speed on the ball and the spin helps keep it in the court. This necessitates hitting fairly close to the net. The higher net clearance shots are used to drive the opponent back, to mess with a bh, or to give the hitter time to recover. Even Nadal can easily rip a 90mph forehand within a foot of the net when he's going for a winner.
     
  10. Power Player

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    W/out a doubt. My best shot is the heavy driven forehand with top. The main issue I have sometimes is I hit a little low since I use an 18x20 pattern, but the advantage is that I can hit harder and heavier knowing the ball will drop in safely.

    The open pattern spin game does work, but it is against lower level players that I can also beat just by taking my foot off the gas a little and using angles more.
     
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    different strokes 4 different folks
     

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