Height of Lew Hoad

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  1. timnz

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    Hello,

    I have seen written in many places that Hoad was 5ft 8inches. But in many photographs he seems a lot taller than Ken Rosewall who we know was 5ft 7inches. And he certainly doesn't seem 6 or 7 inches shorter than Pancho Gonzales who was 6ft 2 or 3.

    If you look forinstance at the photo of 'Young Sport Stars from Australia in the 1950's' Hoad is second from the left and Rosewall is third from the right. Hoad looks half-a head taller not one inch.

    I would have thought he was around 5ft 11inches
     
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    sorry but how exactly do we "know" that rosewall was 5'7"?

    could be either one of the heights was stated incorrectly, or neither and the photo was just at a bad angle, or they were both wrong
     
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    Rosewall Height

    I guess through the weight of Internet references. Ken seems to be pretty consistently referred to as 5ft 7inch.
     
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    Lew could have been a GOAT challenger if he had not suffered many many injuries
     
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    lew hoad height

    There has been a lot of talk in regard to lew hoads height he was 5 f 11 inchs not the 5f 8 inchs that has been stated in past discussions,his weight when at the height of his game was around 85 lbs. Playing at his best i dont think anyone past or present would beat him.Regards Tomwill65
     
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    85 lbs.?!

    Wow! I had thought he was a big power player. You're not going to get much power being 5' 11" and 85 pounds (skin and bones).
     
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    lew hoad

    Correction onL Lew Hoad weight it was 185 lbs i forgot the 1. cheers tomwill,
     
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    If Hoad didn't drink a barrel of beer every hour of the day, he would have been the greatest of all time. Heck, he jockingly told the story of how he drank all night before the US Open final, and watched boxing movies all night long with a complete stranger and lost in four sets to Rosewall the next day.
     
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  9. Limpinhitter

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    Many Aussies who remember Hoad consider him the greatest Aussie talent of all time. Considering the amazing players that came from Austraila, that's saying a lot.
     
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    My fathers best friend spent a whole year covering him for a movie script and for writing a book. During his playing career. Said he was the greatest human being he ever met. And greatest talent he ever saw. He himself was a voracious drinker as well. Too bad, the influence of alcohol. Its diminished many an athlete.
     
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    I got a photo with Rosewall at the Aus Open this year. I asked him how tall he was and he told me he was 4'11, but I think he was really more like 4'8
     
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    I remember reading an interview with John Newcombe, where Newcombe mentions that Hoad had a bad back which was never cured and he drank heavily to ease the pain
     
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    I read an article written by Harry Hopman in regard to that US Open final he said the swirling wind did not help Hoad it affected is service and overhead and also he had struggled to get past Neale Fraser in the semi final with an arm injury, In regard to his drinking he drank all night before the french final and we all know what happened there ,many people have said he could recover very quickley, thats just what i read Cheers.Tomwill .
     
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    From what I recall without looking it up Hoad was 5' 11" tall. I remember being surprised he wasn't over 6'.
     
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    Hoad doesn't look that taller than Rosewall when standing next to one another. If Rosewall is listed at 5'6", I would say Hoad at most is 5'9"
     
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    Here's another one. He's a most is 3" taller than Rosewall.

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    Completely wrong, but rather funny. Everyone can clearly see that the very peak or Rosewall's head, is just even with, or slightly under Hoad's eyebrows. All anyone has to do is take out a measuring tape, put it at their eyebrows and measure 3 inches. Then imagine how non-human they'd look if that 3 inches represented the tip of their head! LOL! I can only imagine what you look like TMF! :)

    It is a minimum of 4 inches from eyebrows to peak of head, and since Rosewall is listed at 5'7, that puts Hoad right around 5'11, as others have been claiming. I always thought he was between 5'10 and 5'11.
     
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    Well anyone who said Chang is 5'9" is reasonable will likely to exaggerate another player's height.
     
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    I am amazed at how important height is for the newcomers to tennis.Babies, Lew Hoad is one of the greatest talents that ever played this game and his record was just hampered by terrible injuries.And that has nothing to see with his height.

    All I can say is that his ***** was enormous, as he proved.Even the GOAT Rod Laver paid his tribute to Hoad, as did the greatest pro player of the pre open era, a ertain Pancho Gonzales.Happy?
     
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    So you've actually met TMF in person!
     
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  21. Limpinhitter

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    It's pretty well known that Laver modeled his game after Hoad. Tribute enough I'd say.
     
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    From everything I've read Lew Hoad was about 5'11". Ellsworth Vines thought he was about 5'11".
     
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    That topic is of course irrelevant. However, do not lie to people who did not read that thread:

    YOU declared as an unmitigated (and eventually unsubstantiated) fact that Chang was 5'6.

    This brought about objection from some posters, and I replied to one of them that when I stood beside Chang he appeared to be about "5'8" to me, but that 5'9 would be "generous but reasonable".

    I followed up with photos highlighting the absurdity of a 5'6 Chang, while you simply continually accused me of exaggerating.

    All posters can decide for themselves who was exaggerating.

    PS. IF you dispute any of this, let's excerpt all of our posts from that thread, and repost that discussion in it's entirety verbatim.
     
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    That was no stranger, it was Ken Rosewall. Hoad did not recognize him.
     
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    I've seen people for whom that shape of forehead is normal:

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    ;-)
     
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    Yes, I wouldn´t been more honoured if someone had said somethng about my game.

    If Hoad had been not injuried in the early 60´s and Pancho just 3-4 years younger, the Laver-Hoad-Rosewall-Gonzales combination would have produced the most unbelievable tennis ever seen.Even better than Borg-Comnnors-Mc-Lendl, Becker-Edberg-Lendl-Wilander ,Sampras-Agassi-Kurten-Rafter or today´s famous Fed-Djokovic-Nadal-Murray.:)
     
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    People who measurizes the talent by the body´s height have probably a big problem with sizes between their left and right ear and what is in between.
     
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    Yeah I agree. Same height and fair-haired complexion as Lleyton Hewitt (thereabouts) but a lot more barrel-chested.
     
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    That doesn't take away from you exaggerating Chang's height. Anyone knows he's not 5'9" but you are the only one who bought it up. Why didn't you say he's 5'6" is generous but reasonable ? No b/c that doesn't look good for Chang...LOL

    Just b/c you see Chang is listed at 5'9" from other sources doesn't means that's correct. And I've already told you athletes are not honest about their height, they claimed a little taller than their actual height. Not only height, some even exaggerated their weight(eg Charles Barkley) to look intimidating. But I don't expect you to know this b/c you don't watch other sports like I do.
     
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    Having stood next to Sir Charles at the airport, I'm gonna go with he didn't have to exaggerate anything to look intimidating. He was a big boy, about 6'5" and at least 260 at that time. And, his elbows looked like he spent time crushing cinder blocks with them. I certainly wouldn't want to be standing nearby when he came down for a rebound.
     
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    That's a lie. You brought it up, by stating unequivocally that he was 5'6. You were called on that by other posters, and having stood next to Chang, I replied to one of them. (PC1 I believe)

    It's neither generous nor reasonable.



    06-03-2004, 08:03 AM

    ....and you started watching tennis in 2009....OOPS. I have written about height exaggeration in tennis and in the NBA long before you even began watching tennis.
     
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    Obviously you can't read. I said you brought up about Chang's 5'9", no one else !


    According to you, 5'9" is reasonable but 5'6" is not(and you know he's not 5'9"). Thanks for proving my point. Oh, you don't like me using the word exaggeration, then I'll just use biased.



    ROFL!

    Just b/c I joined 2009 you assumed I started watching that year. If a 90 yrs old elder fan join this thread this year you assumed he's just start watching tennis in 2011.:)

    BTW, Bodo has written about tennis for years, and look at how many criticisms he gets from the fans.
     
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    No. That's yet another lie. As I already mentioned twice, you brought up Chang's height, and I replied to another poster who addressed the issue. I did initiate either a 5'6 or 5'9 height claim.

    Here is the correct sequence:
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    Fortunately, you later admitted to me that you don't believe ANY of the players from Chang's generation could be as successful today, revealing that height really wasn't the issue. It was just an easy criticism of Chang you latched onto, which was quite disingenuous of you, and thus, trying to exaggerate Chang's height even further was in your benefit, though doing so insulted the knowledge and intelligence of all of us on this board.


    Incorrect. Many posters remember that you specifically admitted in an early post that you had just started watching tennis (and did not see 2008 Wimbledon because you had not started watching yet), and that you went back and edited the post to remove this information when you were called on it.


    The logic in this statement is child-like. It does not change that I was writing about height exaggerations 5+ years before you started watching tennis, and thus disproves your lie: that I did not know. Further, the validity of Peter Bodo's views bear no relationship to mine. Nor do the validity of his views hinge on how much criticism he gets from "fans".

    However, I would note that Bodo has been watching tennis, and been very close to the tennis players for a very long time. I'll also mention that having seen Bodo in person, he is not 5'6 either, he is quite tall. So don't try that tactic again. LOL!
     
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    I've never said I started watching tennis 2008. It sure easy to expose your hypocrisy after you keep calling someone a liar when you fabricate something that I've never said.

    Oh, and 5'6" is NOT generous/reasonable but 5'9" is, thanks for playing.
     
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    Can someone tell me the height of Kareen Abdul Jabbar? Is he shorter because he played in the 1960's? I guess Shaq is much taller than him.

    Frankly these height discussions bore me. It's quality of play that interests me.

    Like I've written in the past, by the logic of height, Maria Sharapova is clearly better than Rosewall, Federer, Laver, Newcombe, Nastase, Nadal among others. So I guess she should play on the Men's tour and beat everyone. I would guess she would crush Michael Chang. However I may bet my life savings that Chang right now would beat Sharapova on any surface. Chang can also give Maria a handicap of one point per game. I still would think Chang would win easily.

    Back to Lew Hoad. Hoad at just under six feet is arguably the most talented player ever. The man was a monster who could do anyone with his racquet and legendary in his beer drinking as I guess many of the old Aussies would be.
     
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    LOL. I agree completely PC1, but TMF's obsession with literally belittling players of the past leads him to spew out verifiably wrong information.

    The only height issue I ever found compelling on my own was the height in relations to serve speed (and/or power off the ground). Suffice it to say that while the larger player has a power advantage in general due to his height, we see that is a fairly rough correlation, and that, in some of the more extreme exceptions, very small players are among the hardest hitters of all.
     
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    Correct. Finally you got it. Please, don't start more lies. I did not say it was "generous/reasonable", I said it was "generous BUT reasonable" after specifying that he looked about 5'8 when I stood near him.

    To state as a fact, that he is 5'6 is neither generous, nor reasonable.
     
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    "measurize"

    I like it.

    (It reminds me of another favorite: "burglarize".)
     
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    Who´s teaching who? creative mind is key for survival in today´s jungle...
     
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