Height of the ball over the net?

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  1. Dimitrov

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    Not sure if I worded this correctly but...I was wondering how high the ball is over the net for most pros? Like Federer when he hits his stroke the height of the ball over the net isn't as high like Nadal. My question is whats the average ball height over the net for most pro strokes?
     
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  2. jakemcclain32

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    Well, at the center, the net is 36" high. I'd say it's a good 8-10" on average, depending on the shot.
     
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  3. ledwix

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    I think I remember a match this year where a flat-baller such as Delpo was hitting ~50 cm over the net and Nadal was hitting ~90-100 cm.
     
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    Nadal is just moonballing in that video.
     
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    I wouldn´t mind moonballing at that speed and with that spin
     
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    It depends on the player a lot
     
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    It really depends on a lot of factors, choice of shot, where positioned on the court, the shot you got from your opponent etc.

    I think out of all the players I've seen live since 1995, I would say Anastasia Myskina was the player who hit the ball as low over the net consistently I've seen without constantly hitting the net. Even players the media would describe as "flat" hitters usually have decent net clearance.
     
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    nadal does not hit 100 cm over the net...
     
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    Anyone have any idea about Fed?
     
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    In which direction is the error, then?
     
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    "I love this video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX7MU...tailpage#t=38s"

    Thank you.

    Is it the angle you like or the players ?

    If there are any players or angles that you would like to see let me know and I'll see what I can at the next Major.
     
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  16. Dimitrov

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    Haha this made me lol
     
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    I dont know but my fav, Cilic, hits it at least 20 cm under the top of the net.
     
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    Rodge net clearance is very low.

    During Wimbledon this year I remember they compared Nadal's vs Djoker. Nadal's was way higher.
     
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    I did sit already at the courtside center when federer played nalbandian in basel and I was surprised how low over the net federer's average shots were compared to nalbandian. hard to guess but I would say not more than 30-50cm in baseline rallies.
     
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    From CBS Sports during Australian Open.
    Average Ball height over net.
    Nadal 90" (that's over 7 feet higher than the net, hit spin RPM is 4,348!)
    Federer 70"
    Djokovic 63"
    Murray 59"
     
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    Go on YouTube and find practice videos, such as the ones from fyb or essential tennis. Many videos offer player level viewing, allowing to see for yourself.
     
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    yeah, not exactly Tracy Austin, is it? :)
     
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    That's got to be off the ground no, not net clearance?
     
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    Moonballing

    Even if it is, 90" is ridiculously high.
     
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    If you want your shots to land deep, you have to clear the net by a big margin. You can see this in your own game--when you hit a ball that clears the net by a few inches (centimeters), it'll land short, unless the ball has been hit with extreme power (or the return is made off a very low ball and is hit with more of an upward angle than for more typical shots). The laws of physics apply equally to pros and the rest of us.
    Nadal wants his forehand shots to bounce high (most effectively to a one-handed BH). This won't happen unless there's great clearance over the net. The ball won't bounce higher than the highest point of the pre-bounce flight. For example, you can't expect a ball to reach a height of 2 meters after the bounce if it isn't higher than that before the bounce.
     
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    Cool story, I was talking about all of them.
     
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    I believe that's actually ground clearance. Otherwise his shots would be going ten feet into the air.. and I don't think I see that happening often enough for that to be an average height.
     
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  31. Gary Duane

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    7 feet over the net seems too high to me also. I'd like to see those numbers checked. Hard to tell from the graphics.
     
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    I remember that graphic when they showed it on TV. The words said "height over the net," but the trajectories they showed looked like height over the ground and were nowhere close to that height over the net.
     
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    That is clearly the ground clearance.
    Net Height (center) 0.914m = 36", so the correct numbers would be

    Nadal 54" = ~1.37m
    Federer 34" = ~0.86m
    Djokovic 27" = ~0.69m
    Murray 23" = ~0.58m
     
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  34. dominikk1985

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    2-4 feet on average.
     
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    That's what I think too. I still think "over the net" means that they mostly measure the height over the net, at that position, but not height added to the height of the net itself, and additional 3 feet.
     
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  36. Gary Duane

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    That would be about 4.5 feet, and that seems right.
     
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    It's definitely height off the ground...Darren Cahill cleared this up in the AO commentary on ESPN.

    To be precise it's "Average Ball Height (off the ground) as it crosses over the net

    And I don't think it has to do with landing deep...actually Nadal's shots often don't land deep.

    I don't like Murray's combination of hitting flat with low net clearance but yet not being that aggressive/pushing. It seems counter productive.
     
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  38. Gary Duane

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    That's true. But a lot of those short balls would go into the net for other players, using less topspin. That gives Rafa so much margin for error. Badly hit forehands, when he is nervous or not zoned, still make it over the net. Borg used to do the same thing in comparison to his opponents.
     
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  39. BringBackSV

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    It gets him in trouble on low bouncing surfaces though.
     
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    I honestly have a hard time thinking of which forehand I would like to have given the choice.. Nadal or Federer's. They're both such spectacularly good shots, prime for prime.. it's hard to say. Being a lefty, I'd probably choose Nadal.. but I would need to spend lots of time on my footwork for that.
     
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