Help me compare across eras!

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  1. kiki

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    Oh¿ impressive facts, bobbyone, the true master of historians.

    I certainly will look at him with a higher regard, specially since he seemed to do so well against one of my faves, great John Newcombe.

    He would be in the great players-non champions list, similar to guys like Raul Ramirez,Eddie Dibbs,Brian Gottfried,Tom Gorman,Tom Okker,Bob Lutz or Victor Pecci.Among a few others I left out...
     
  2. BobbyOne

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    kiki, I knew you would be impressed by these facts and willing to change your opinion in this point. Thanks for your nice words.

    Yes, Earl "Butch" B. can be considered as one of the great "outsiders" comparable to those you have listed up.

    Thanks again to kiki, one of the big stalwarts of talk tennis.
     
  3. kiki

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    Maybe a bitt better than Graebner,Pasarell,Richey,Riessen and Froehling?
     
  4. BobbyOne

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    kiki, Froehling did not achieve too much.

    Graebner's career was rather short. Richey and Riessen did well. Cliff was very strong in 1970 at No.7 in the world. Marty was the most consistent of the group. He was Laver's nemesis and is on par with Rod in hth. Pasarell was possibly the most talented of them but rather inconsistent. He played that famous match against Gonzalez and another five setter, at the 1968 Wimbledon, against Rosewall. Rex Bellamy then wrote that it was a match the Gods would like to watch...
     
  5. Dan Lobb

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    Pasarell was the victim of Hoad in the 1970 French Open, Hoad's last significant win in slam play, 6-4, 3-6, 6-4, 6-4.
     
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    Dan, Yes, Hoad was very strong on clay in 1970. His best win might be his 6-3,6-3 victory against Orantes in the Madrid tournament before losing to Santana in four sets.
     
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    There is a good article on Pasarell on Tennis Channel online by Joel Drucker. Charlito, who had a clean, classic, textbook style, was the man of the first day at the Big W. He beat Santana, the holder in 1967, lost to Rosewall in five over 3 days in 1968, and lost that epic with his mentor Gonzalez in 1969. His best match was probably a five set loss to Laver at Bologna in 1971, with the 3 last sets all tiebrakers. Richard Evans has described that match in his book Open tennis. Buchholz had the bad luck of cramps. He had matchpoints against Fraser, the eventual champ in Wim 1960, but broke down with cramps. Graebner was a terrific server, and bombed out many good players especially in 1968 and 69. Looked like Clark Kent, with spectacles and short curly black hair.
     
  8. kiki

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    Yes, Graebner was the perfect young american, looked like a marine.Nastase used to joke on him but they almost fought once.After that, in the press conference, Nastase called Graebner " anemaal Graebner"
     
  9. Dan Lobb

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    Cramps are not due to bad luck, but to a lack of conditioning.
    Too much time spent lifting a beer mug instead of a barbell or running the courses.
    Ashley Cooper had a remedy for cramps, given in a 1964 book by the pro players.
    Rapid-fire pushups until exhaustion. Repeat for a two-week period.
    Guaranteed cure for cramps.
     
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    Also, rapid fire running-on-the-spot, until exhausted.
    Cooper knew what he was talking about, having learned from the master, Harry Hopman. Hoppy put Hoad and Rosewall through five-mile cross country run/swims.
     
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