Help Me with my volleys!!! (Video)

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  1. Djokovicfan4life

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    Please. My english is miles ahead of yours. And stop twisting my words to suit your own. I made it very clear that I was talking about the swing AFTER CONTACT.

    Suggestion: Turn that little green light off once in awhile. See how missed you really are with 10 posts/day, rather than a constant stream of elephant turds.
     
  3. LeeD

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    DJ, swearing at me and calling me names doesn't diminish the fact that most pro level volleyers use longer forward strokes on their backhand volleys, and shorter foreward strokes on their forehand volleys.
    Whether you are English or not, you can see the vids posted, and figure that easy one out for yourself.
    Now if you still blindly state all those volleys, like Fed's putaways, are exactly the same from forehand to backhand in length of stroke, then YOU ARE THE REASON American tennis is in the sorry state it still is in.
    You teach only what you learned from OLD IDEAS, no matter Braden, Bolli whatever, or anyone else, it's old outdated ideas.
    And since you are too inflexible to see the difference between a shortforehand volley and a much longer backhand volley, you will never improve your coaching ability....or your tennis.
    And notice a pattern on Aussieguys volleys. One fore, one back for about 20 reps, then two fores, two backs, for a dozen or so more reps.
    Yes, I can easily volley at least as well with better shoulder turns, as can any 4.0 level tennis player around here.
     
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    I didn't swear at you at all, but there's an empty ignore list with your name on it.
     
  5. LeeD

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    Of course you should ignore me and my posts!
    I am the anti YOU!
    I"m old, I have lots of high level playing experience, I have sat down and shot the breeze with top 20 world class players, I have played somewhat OK in pro qualifiers, but most of all, I disagree with lots of things you say!
    I also say there's more than one way to skin a cat! And I hate the fact that the UnitedStates, what with a few tennis players, just can't produce top level up and coming players unless they serve 140 mph.
    That is the USPTA's total fault!
    And you, of course, represent the worst of the USPTA. You think they're ideas are G O D .....
     
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    It's frustrating to keep seeing "The pros, the pros, the pros." The pros are the pros because they are in themselves, exceptional and they play so much that their strokes are extremely practiced even with their little quirks. Just because they're "the pros" does not mean that every one of their strokes is textbook. The OP's concern were his volleys. He did not say "help me with my swinging volleys!" While I agree that there's a time and a place for a swinging volley, that is a stroke that needs a LOT of practice and need to be based on an arsenal of super solid strokes. A normal volley is a punch, not a swing. When someone with volleys like those in the video swings, the ball goes long or in the net most of the time. This guy needs some good advice that does not include anything about swings or pros. Keep it simple.
     
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    Meg, you are a novice volleyer. Why? Because you don't know the difference between a SWINGING volley and a volley with a long underspin stroke!
    Swinging volley cannotes a flat or topspin swing. Long stroke volley is just that....a real volley, but with a longer stroke.....than the forehand volley.
    OK, if you are NOT at least an intermediate player, then you should NOT look at PRO level volleys. Decide for yourself. You should listen to the USPTA coaches here and try to employ basic, beginner strokes into your tennis.
    My volleys are not beginner volleys. They get used against 5.5 and sometimes better players, so they cannot be the same as your basic 2.5 level volleys.
     
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    My pastor's son used to do something like that, Matt. He used to do the Snoop Dogg shizzle. The funny thing is that when he was out of the house or not at church, he just cut loose. He was no J011yroger, but he was up there for a teen.
     
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    Marry me, please.

    *Ahem*

    I mean, good post. Yeah, that's what I meant.
     
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    So why can't you guys delineate between my posts, which I say are PRO LEVEL volleys, from your posts, designed for novice volleyers?
    I never said anyone should COPY the pro level volleys. I just used the pros as an example because I don't see vids of novices volleying very often.
    If you are trying to get a basic 2.5 to 3.2 level beginner to improve his volleys, then you should SAY SO, and the beginner volleyer should try to use a grip exactly between the fore and the backhand volleys for all volleys.
    Unfortunately, I am NOT a beginner volleyer.
     
  11. Djokovicfan4life

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    Then go volley and shut the **** up.

    This thread is about helping a beginning volleyer. But why would you care about that in the first place when you can post your 5.5 volleying "credentials" with no proof whatsoever.
     
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    Proof is not in videos.
    Proof is on the tennis court in a competitive enviorment.
    Volleys, easy 5.5.
    Movement, maybe 4.5.
    Overheads, easy 5.5.
    Low volleys...alas, 3.0.
    Speed, close to 2.5.
    Eyes and recognition....easy 3.0.
    Forehand....about 3.5.
    Backhand....about 4.5.
    Return of serve..about 4.5.
    Serve including stategy..easy 5.0.
    Walkabout ablility when a cute girl strolls by... 7.0 I am pro level.
    All the above equals ABOUT 4.0 tournament level.
     
  13. MegacedU

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    Excuse me but I played Division I with quite a bit of success. If a volley has a long underspin stroke, it's not a volley it's a slice. Get off your high horse and stop pretending like you know more about tennis than I do. I've been at this since i was five.
     
  14. Djokovicfan4life

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    Oh snap, this is getting good.

    MegacedU: 1

    LeeD: 0, and leaning towards the negative end of the spectrum.
     
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    Div1 what?
    Are you saying all those vids of Federer putting away a volley shows the same length of stroke between his forehand and his backhand volleys?
    Are you blind, or did you NOT look at the vids.
    Now consider your own volleys. Your forehand is a short punch stroke, right?
    Now look at your backhand volley. Much longer forward swing! I did NOT mention anything about backswing. FORWARD swing, your backhand volley stroke is longer than the short forehand punch....right?
    Now take a 2.5 player.... we should teach him to have short punch on BOTH sides, ....right?
    But are YOU and ME 2.5? NOPE. Closer to 5.5 volleys.
     
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    Oh, Div1 college tennis....
    See the vids of that guy from Furman....
    He hits snot out of the ball.
    He admits technique problems with his forehand and his serve/overheads.
    I didn't see his volleys. He's got an acrobatic two handed backhand.
    But see, even a top Div1 player has big flaws sometimes.....sometimes.
    Maybe YOUR flaw is your weak backhand volley?
     
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    Maybe your flaw is your attitude. You view yourself as an authority figure on here and you have nothing to back it up.
     
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    Stop talking to me about McEnroe, Federer, or anyone else. I don't care about the pros. That is the worst thing you can do for your game: compare yourself to pros who have such learned strokes that are so unique and individualized they're impossible to replicate. Do I hit all my shots perfect? Absolutely not. Do I know how to hit them perfectly? Absolutely.
     
  19. LeeD

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    DJ, I guess you ARE 18 years old, with that mentality....
    Megs... YOU need novice volleying help, so listen to DJ for sure.
    ME, I need advanced volleying help, so I can beat recent former top 300 players. We need different volleys!
    So, was your weaker backhand volley one of your major flaws?
     
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    i didnt want to flame you but plz dont lie. if your movement is that bad and everything else is below 5.0 besides your volley i doubt you get a game off a former top 300 player. if you cant move your never gonna get to net fast enough to hit a volley. ive seen some of your posts and it seems like you enjoy exagerating alot about just about everything.
     
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    What did I say?! I don't know what world you live in that Division I college tennis players are novice volleyers but I'd like to see that. In fact before my severe shoulder injury, I was a serve and volleyer. I'm 5'8'' and I'm a great net player. You've never seen me play, but if you'd ever like for me to show you the difference between a volley and a slice, I'd be happy to do so.
     
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    I would like to see videos of your play.
     
  23. Djokovicfan4life

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    Yeah, even the die hard baseliners on the OSU women's team know their way around the net. You don't reach that level without at least SOME knowledge of every aspect of the game.
     
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    Dude, LeeD is 60 years old.

    Nuff said.

    Guy I saw for mental coaching was #1 in the world in 55s. Captained Austria cup US team. Shelves of gold balls, the works.

    One of his regular practice partners played #2 for Duke, and coach struggled to win points off of him.

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    I warned you.

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    A-ha... this confirms... you ARE mental. :shock:
     
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    I always try to give them so much backspin that they go over the net and pop right back over the net again. It's a very effective shot, works about once every 100 tries. I can recommend it to anyone
     
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    I post it again Leed:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTCGWBIdQus&NR=1

    a video of Federer, his forehands volleys are at least as long as his backhands volleys, except for the ones hit on his body there he just blocks them. Look at the first volley in that vid....
     
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    No doubt about it.

    100% certified. :)

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    Eikels...
    Fed in your video is goofy around, and doesn't care if his backhand volley goes slower, but has more spin.
    You DO know he's just goofing around on that video, don't you? So it doesn't count for anything.
    Go look up that post about Federer IN A MATCH, hitting a serve and coming into put the ball away for a winner.
    THAT is the volley that counts, not goofing around killing time.
    And even in YOUR vid, see the super short punch forehand volleys. He does some with longer forward stroke, but some with maybe a one foot stroke.
    All this backhand volleys use a longer forward stroke.
     
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    Oh, and for you guys who forgot...
    Not only am I 60 years old fart, but I"ve got ELEVEN pins, two plates, and a foot of wire in my left tib/fib, SIX screws from two operations in my right ankle, THREE left collarbone breaks, one right collarbone break, at least two left shoulder separates, and one left forearm big bone break that the doctors decided not to treat. The reason is they concentrated on the 5 finger breaks totalling more than 12 separate fractures needing 3 pins and wire in my left hand.
    I play tennis left handed.
     
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    Somebody give this guy a medal!
     
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    :) damn.. all this from playing tennis left handed? you must play some x-treme tennis.
    I am so glad I play slow and steady tennis right handed :twisted:
     
  36. MegacedU

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    My novice volleys are lookin pretty good right now.
     
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    Lee, I don't understand you too well? Perhaps, I don't understand English either?? You play pro qualifiers, but you are a 4.0? You've broken every bone in your body, but you are the best player in our little TW world? You know more than anyone else, and insist on everyone agreeing with you because afterall you re the best player in TW World.

    I don't know you, and perhaps you are a good player and have a lot of experience. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, but your attitude is HUGE! It is not a good trait.

    spoke
     
  38. Djokovicfan4life

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    One of these will do just fine.

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    maybe its time to find a new activity. you seem to be getting hurt to much playing tennis. maybe its the fact that you have no idea what your doing out there. i can tell from your posts that your full of crap. almost everything you have posted is incorrect. not even on the right track like some fellow bad advice givers but completely lost.
     
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    :)I might be lost and confused, but I played at 5.5 level tournaments, won a few rounds each time, and probably at 60 now, can still beat most of you. Of course, the 5.5's will crush me, I only claim 4.0.
    And of course you don't understand what I say....you are less than 4.0 or so, and have no experience compared to my 30 odd years.
    Look at Slicendicer's posts...everyone disagrees with him too...because he's been playing since foreever also.
    You new guys only know tennis from the previous 10 years. I watched tennis from Newcombe/Rosewall days.
     
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    I was under the impression that Slicendicer was a young guy.

    If he is infact a senior citizen, then having looked at his pictures I want some of whatever he is drinking, because he has found the fountain of youth.

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    But he gives sage advice, believes it's not HOW you hit the ball, it's where and how consistent that wins. Old school thinking.
    He doesn't embrace the current school of topspin only groundie tennis, and it appears he likes to volley and get to net.
    All that is counter to what all the younger set are taught nowadaze.
     
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    Maverick66's comment was a little harsh.

    I respect your difference of opinion, as I'm sure you look at the game in a different light which others don't yet understand.
     
  45. Djokovicfan4life

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    LeeD posts some decent stuff at times. But the way he explains some things is whack. Like when he tells people to "tighten up" on their serves. I suspect that he means something else, yet doesn't always make himself clear.

    Now this volleying business, on the other hand, is utter garbage.
     
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    Gotta admit it sounds wierd to me for me to say I can volley puffballs while standing 4' from the net as well as that Clint dude.
    Today I hit with a solid 4.5 guy. I told him I was gonna stand 4' from the net to practice some volleys. He didn't care. That close to the net, I never got a ball below my belt level, and easily volleyed one bouncers within 4' of the baseline back to him over 50 times in a row. OK, he missed some, I did hit some either ON the baseline or less than 1 foot out.
    Yes, I can volley like Clint given FED balls, one to each side, and standing practically atop the net.
    You'd think so, after playing tennis above a C level for 35+ years.
     
  47. Djokovicfan4life

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    I'm not looking at how easy the volleys were. I'm watching the technique, and Clint's is very good. The jury's still out on you until I see some video evidence.
     
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    he doesnt know what hes talking about and shows it in his posts. im sure he does look at it in a different way but that way doesnt make any sense to anyone. hes all over the place with his level of play and apparantly hes broken everything and cant move but can play at 5.5 tournies and win. or he thinks hes gonna compete with guys who are just coming off careers where they they achieved a top 300 ranking. anyone that gets that high is playing at an amazing level and wouldnt drop a game to a 60 yo guy that cant move.
     
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    Is it fair to say that a person's perspective is based on his experience? It may seem whacked out to you but very real to him. Unless you actually see him in action how would you be sure he's not speaking the truth?
     
  50. Djokovicfan4life

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    But this thread isn't catered specifically to LD, is it? Homey is the OP, last time I checked.
     

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