Henin - eat your heart out!

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  1. danielpreston

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  2. arnz

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    Nice backhands. Makes me wish I was good enough for a one hander :(
     
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    They might be nice, but hard to get the power of the two hands
     
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    not a very good backhand:


    1) Bad footwork:

    a)the goal is to get into a nuetral or closed stance, sufficiantly wide to transfer your weight forward from your back foot to your front foot, you did not do this once.Generally speaking your left foot was about 1 foot behind your front foot the whole time and there was no weight transfer.


    b) Unbalanced movement, bad posture:


    A la Roddick, you're leaning very far forward all the time, diificult to change directions quickly as all your weight is potentially going the wrong way.Basically undoing all the good work of a wide stance which lowers your centre of gravity in and reduces your inertia,(time it takes to get moving, or, light feet).And to cap it all off it makes you highly susceptiple to being wrong footed.


    2) No kinetic chain:You don't have the basic kinetic chain down, which is :

    arm>(hip+shoulder)>(contact+weight transfer).



    all of this adds up to


    pretty slow and unimpressive racquet head speed:

    no rotation of the hip or shoulder whatsoever, no weight transfer whatsoever, you're basically swinging from the shoulder.
     
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  5. danielpreston

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    Wow! You must be a 6.5 tennis pro.

    Helpful comments though ... if I can get my head round them!!
     
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    sorry, I reread my post and it sounded like I was trying to be an *******, which I wasn't, I hope my comments help you improve your backhand.
     
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    No offense taken "Happy"

    I've posted lots of videos and mainly got nice comments. That's encouraging ... but with comments like yours ... that's what will help me to improve.

    If you have the time have a look at

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zciLHOU9Q2g

    and give the same critical analysis please.:)

    Then please tell me who you are. I'm a 18yr old UK student looking for a tennis scholarship. Currently about 5.0 and spending this academic year full time in tennis.
     
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    You seem to have a big ego...
     
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    Watch Out Justine

    TOPSPIN BACKHAND: Your right shoulder is leaning over in front of your right foot before, during and after almost every stroke. Because of your off-balance weight distribution, you dissipate a lot of momentum that could otherwise be redirected forward into the ball. Also, because of your tilted vertical axis, you wind up leading with your elbow a bit, which removes some of your potential to come up and over the ball. Try positioning a little farther away from the line of the ball, take a slightly longer final step across and keep your shoulders up and behind that right foot (at least until contact).

    SLICE BACHAND: Once again, your shoulders are leaning over in front of your right foot. Position a little farther away from the ball and make sure that your final right step lands in front of your shoulders, which should be up and away from the ball.

    VOLLEYS: OK on balls you have to reach for, but on balls in the middle you back away with your feet and leave your shoulders where they are, creating an imbalance and a lean similar to the groundstrokes. Have someone feed balls aimed a few inches outside of each shoulder, plant your feet and practice backing away with your shoulders as you turn sideways and take your racket back.

    Basically, try to keep your shoulders up and between your two feet everywhere on the court.

    MG
     
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    Help me get a smaller ego ... nickb
     
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    Mountain Ghost ... quality, quality, quality.

    I'm here to improve ... not receive pats on the back. You and beHappy have been very helpful.

    Can I ask you the same favour?

    Pls look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zciLHOU9Q2g

    ... and give me the same critical analysis:)
     
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    Daniel,

    Have you considered posting your profile and, at least, one of the videos on the Tennis Recruiting website and, possibly as a pdf, etc, the letter from your coach?

    http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/

    Seems that, unlike everyone else, I did look at your website and actually know who Julie Salmon is. Not surprising as I did see her at the 88 Aus Open lose to Jo Durie in singles and Navratilova/Shriver in doubles, then actually called service line in both her doubles matches at the 91 event. If someone of that calibre says you're going to be ready for the NCAA's, that's good enough for me.
     
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    Nice backhand!! But don't kid yourself, Henin would double bagel you. :p
     
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    Hopefully Henin may have an off-day;)
     
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    Nice one!

    Andrew,I 've signed up with the other recruiting service - CPOA

    It's quality that you know who Julie Salmon is! She's been my coach for only a few months ..... sorting me out!

    Incidentally the videos were taken before I got going with Julie ... so don't blame her for the backhands!
     
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    You forgot to wear a white hat and always look like you're about to cry and let out "allez" every now and then, other than that you got it.:)

    Seriously though, you are posting like the best vids ever with music etc. around here, so you totally got it going on. I hope everything works out well for you and you get to play for some outstanding D1 team in the U.S., like GU for instance.
     
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    SoBad, are you a one-hander or two?
     
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    FYI, most good 1HBH are more powerful than 2HBH's. You need look no further than Henin, Haas, and Gasquet.
     
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    I was born and raised as a two-hander, but my backhand was a weakness and as I searched and explored I discovered one-hander on my own, and it worked out so well that I don't have a weak side anymore:) But I am happy to have the two-handed knowledge, because I still use it for things like half-volley or if I want to surprise stepping inside the baseline to hit an early two-handed return on second serve.

    Oddly, I tend to admire two-handed players, both star pros and friends / local idols, for some reason. How about you, how many hands do you use for backhand?
     
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    Watch Out Justine – Part II

    FOREHAND: You are losing much of the benefit of having an open stance by not loading your right leg effectively and by under-rotating your shoulders during the backswing. Your right shoulder should not be leaning like it is over your right foot, primarily because it places your weight toward the outside of your right leg, which creates a weak foundation for creating and redirecting momentum. Instead, keep your shoulders up and level, rotate them a full 90 degrees (so they’re perpendicular to the net) and make sure your weight is centered over the INSIDE of your right leg, either by broadening your stance or by taking a longer final right step to the ball.

    SERVE: You are lowering your left shoulder and opening up early, which is forcing you to swing directly toward the target and preventing you from hitting up. Keep your left arm up longer, stay sideways, hit up and practice a swing path more toward the right net post than the deuce service box.

    MG
     
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    MG .. you're awesome ... you're obviously not just a player! You could make a living out of this ... ummmmm, maybe you do?!
     
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    pretty good analysis... decent backhand but could be better...

    eye of the tiger makes it better though
     
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    Dan, do you have MSN , I'd like to speak to you
     
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    Maybe Adam is a recruiter. Here's your chance :)
     
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    I was on the other day and I as bored and searched my name and I was there and they gave me like 3 in a half stars.
     
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    I keep wondering what facebook is. I've gotten several emails with invitations but I just ignored them. With friends like me....:)
     
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    So many times, it happens too fast
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    Come on everyone!!!
     
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    I wish .... he's more probably a London player that I know and have played before .... am I right Adam? Also looking for a tennis scholarship?:)
     
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    Have you noticed how many sports videos have this song as the backing track! When I chose it ... I genuinely thought I was being original !!!!! LOL
     
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    Ah ok. I got a one hander for my bh. For some reason, I haven't played a solid two hander (besides my coach, he uses both) in awhile. I guess I hang around too many one handers :p

    It'd be nice to try and learn the 2 hander though, just to see what it'd be like. I try to teach it to beginners (right hand continental, left hand eastern forehand (on the opposite side of course)). This is the grip most two handers use, right?

    sorry to be hijacking your thread daniel.
     
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    Daniel,

    I do recall hearing that a former British player, a woman, had started up a business designed to help UK players gain scholarships in America. Can't for the life of me remember her name but I'm sure there can't be too many out there.

    Have you considered attending any of the tennis camps run by NCAA coaches? I know there are a few (not sure if they've been and gone for this year) and they could be a way of putting yourself in full view of the guys who would recruit you. It would require travelling to the States but it might just tip the scales in your favour.

    One other thing. I didn't find your clips to be overly clear, as regards the clarity of the videos and in comparison to quite a number of other ones I have seen (a few others on YouTube). While I can certainly see how you hit the ball, I can't tell how the ball responds off the court, which is as important, if not more so, than the technical purity of the stroke. I'm sure you know what I mean - some guys have great technique but they don't hit a damaging ball, while others are technically somewhat 'funky' but hit a ball that really jumps off the court with pace and weight.

    I just feel that the clearer the image I (the recruiter) am viewing, the easier it is for me to see your game and, ultimately, visualise you playing on my team.
     
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    Andrew .... you've been a great help ... thanks!

    Here's my strategy. I got to a 3.2 (UK rating) within 4 years of playing competitive tennis. I was pleased with my progress. I then hit injury for the best part of 12 months, little consistent tennis and therefore bad results and worsening ranking from a high of No.40 in the UK Juniors. The injury is a partly bad luck, partly genetically stiff core, and partly poor technique.

    I'm spending a year playing tennis full time, enrolled in an academy 2 days a week with some better players than me. Will hit the tournament circuit of British Tour and possibly one or two qualies of Futures in December onwards.

    The goal here is to be beating most players of 3.2 and 3.1 standard by then. Get some great results and approach coaches with a good resume. Basically to play catch up for the year I lost to injury.

    As and when a few good colleges show interest, I plan to visit them, to try them out, if poss. Meanwhile CPOA are marketing me, but I'm working to get the results, fitness etc over the next few months.

    I know I should have been a 3.1 (US 5.5) by now ... but it didn't happen!

    Forgive my ramblings ... but if you have any comment, most welcome.
     
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    Daniel,

    I have, over the last few years, been helping out some of our local juniors (in Australia) regarding the option of playing college tennis, so I have a vague (I stress the word 'vague') idea of some issues you're dealing with.

    A 5.5 rating and commensurate results would have been nice, as it would have been far easier to market yourself to various colleges. However, it isn't the case that all college players are of that standard. While I think it fair to assume that no player amongst the top 100-150 Div 1 teams is below a 5.0 rating (despite what some here might suggest) that isn't the extent of the college system. There were 274 Div 1 and 160 Div 2 teams offering scholarships (numbers have changed slightly as a few schools dropped tennis) and not all of those players will be of a 5.0-5.5 standard. What you need to do is find a team where 5.0-5.5 is the exception, not the rule.

    As I said previously, look through the various divisions (Big 10, Pac 10, Ivy, etc) to see what each teams results have been. You'll soon see which is a strong and which is a weak conference (in a strong conference the bottom team may still have won 30% of its games). Initially, target the weaker schools in a weaker conference.
    You can find a listing of all teams and results here;
    http://www.collegetennisonline.com/view/league.aspx?lgId=1 (for Division 1) and
    http://www.collegetennisonline.com/view/league.aspx?lgId=2 (Division II)

    You might also find this site interesting as they do have quite a good reputation: http://www.weiltennis.com/html/college.html
     
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  35. fed_the_savior

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    Cream? strange...
     
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    Andrew, once again this is incredibly helpful advice. I have now joined tennisrecuiting.net on you advice. I'll follow through your D1 comments.
     
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    Great song.
    Nice backhand.

    I've not read the rest of the posts, but here are some points:

    1) Angle of your back: You are leaning too far forward. This limits how fast you can rotate about your spine. The tighter (closer) you are about the axis of rotation, the faster you can initiate the turn (think figure skaters and 2nd moment of inertia)

    2) Unit turn: Shoulders aren't turned enough. Partially affected by leaning too far forward.

    3) Elbow on take-back: Could be bent a bit more and the racquet more vertical, this again would give you a tighter takeback and give you more topspin from the uncoiling of your elbow (Think: Blake's straight-back takeback resulting in a flat ball vs. Federer's tight takeback resulting in him being able to flick lots of topspin).

    4) Slice: Points 1 and 2 still apply here. You have good disguise in that your takeback is relatively the same height as your topspin takeback.

    This is purely objective criticism.
    I am practicing my "tennis eye".
     
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    Ninja,

    Excellent feedback thank you. Just waiting to get over an elbow injury before I try to put all this good advice into practice. Cheers
     
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    I just watched your Forehand video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zciLHOU9Q2g&mode=related&search=

    It's pretty awesome. Excellent footwork.
    You'd bagel me easy.
     
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  41. shrakkie

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    Nice back-hand, try to use your legs a bit more to provide some more power,

    I see your from Brighton, SAME! lol, what courts are you playing on?
     
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  42. danielpreston

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    I play up at Falmer ... and you?
     
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    relax, it so hard to be perfect esp if you're a woman. even men still experience a lot of imperfection.

    but if there's any improvement for her. just go for it
     
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    Oh, i lived in the falmer halls last year, im down Lewes road now though! Do you play at Esporta or the public courts?
     
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  45. danielpreston

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    I play at Esporta
     
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  47. shrakkie

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    Same. Well, anyway, good luck with the scholarship mate!:D :D
     
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    "Henin" has just got an elbow injury ... so "she" can't put into practice all the good advice in this thread ATM
     
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