Here's another practical solution to reduce the time span of ever lengthening matches

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  1. tusharlovesrafa

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    Cureently there's a disturbing trend emerging in slams,where matches are easily going over 5 hours.In 80s and 90s this rarely happened,but due to advent of new technologies and improved athletism of the players,they are able to grind out our for longer periods..So here's my Solution:

    1 Limit/Cap the number of RALLIES in Grandslams.
    2 In Wimbledon Rallies should be restricted to 15 and 20 in other slams(AO,RG,USO).If rallies go over the aforesaid numbers,the Recieving player shall automatically be defaulted and the point shall be awarded to the person serving.

    It will help in solving following purpose:
    1 Due to improevement in Medical Science,the players fitness have imroved tremendously so they can grind out for longer period, and due to invention of Poly strings they are already getting an unfair advantage,so it will help in achieving a parity between the things.

    2 Longer rallies have a cascading effect on the players,for example-if they play a 30 ball rally,firstly they take around 40-50 seconds for the rally itself and then they take nearly that much time to rest and to play the next point..

    This coupled with the recent changes in rules if enforced properly will help in reducing the time span of matches..Just a thought Guys!:)
     
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  2. Prisoner of Birth

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    Wouldn't quickening the surfaces be easier?
     
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    I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are just trolling.
     
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  4. tusharlovesrafa

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    Well,that would be,but do you really thing that they'll speed up the surfaces? I mean,if they really wanted to speed it up,they wouldn't have let the surface homogenized on the first place.
     
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    I know this sounds absurd,but hey you need to think out of the box at times.:)
     
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  6. Prisoner of Birth

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    That's true but by the same token wouldn't limiting rallies be counter-productive? They wouldn't do that, either.
     
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    If the recieving player wants to the win the point,he'll have to go for bigger shots earlier in the rally instead of retreating back and slugging it out..
     
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  8. Prisoner of Birth

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    No, I'm talking about the powers-that-be changing the rules and their motivation for it.
     
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  9. Bartelby

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    A second deuce decider would shorten matches, but I'm not for it.

    Another idea is a best of four games sets, rather than best of six, and that too is a way of shortening games.
     
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    Actually I was interested in knowing what people think about the on-court coaching thing. During the USO, Jensen (or was it Dent) kept talking about how coaching would make matches more interesting and reduce the "chokes" or mental cramps players have. Quality would go up.
     
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  11. Bartelby

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    The idea that the players alone have to work out a way to victory is quite appealing and the fact they have to think clearly while exerting themselves is also a skill.

    A coach would take that away and simply add a bit of tv colour as we try to listen into what's being said.
     
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    I don't see why matches need to be shortened.
     
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  13. sureshs

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    But who can remember to count during a point? It is kind of strange to enforce this.
     
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    I'd prefer seeing best of 3 prosets for the men. I agree that its ridiculous to have a 5 hour match just to make the quarterfinals.
     
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  15. drakulie

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    They should just play best of one set.
     
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    Best to 4 points each serves twice
     
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    IMO, a better solution is to have a time limit on 5 set matches. Any match over 4 hours and the higher seed advances. Yup. :)
     
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    I think matches are taking so long because after every point players are going to the towel, go for a stroll to each ball kid - examine every ball, make their way back to court...return all the extra balls they have, bounce the ball for god knows how long and serve.....
    cut all this out and game will go much faster.....or enforce the time limit between point...put 20 second timer on the court point better start this time or server looses the point!
     
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  19. Sentinel

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    I think a coin toss should suffice. Make it best of 3 tosses to make it exciting. Along with slo-mo replays of the coin spinning and falling.



    Then Nadal and Joker will lengthen each match in order to win :D
     
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    True, but it seems most of them are not able to think clearly or come out with alt plans. e.g. imagine if Berdych could have spoken with his coach during the match, he might have got some tips on handling the wind.

    Same for Joker in the final set of the final. A mix of encouragement and tactical advice could have made the final set more competitive.
     
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    I suspect the slam organizers actually want longer matches because, it would seem, the longer that each match runs the more advert slots can be sold. The quality of tennis in terms of racket skills may have declined even while the general level of athleticism has improved, but the organizers really don't care about this qualitative stuff as much as maximizing their profits.
     
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    Best of 1 set, no ad scoring, and tie break limited to when someone gets to 7. No time for changeover, no use of towels permitted.
     
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    I approve of this idea. But let's have 5 coin tosses in Grand Slams.
     
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  24. InspectorRacquet

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    Quickening the surfaces is by far the best idea. Instead of changing the rules, or even how they are enforced, why not change an aspect of the game that is EXPECTED to change?

    Variations in court surfaces are a natural part of the game. Making more tournaments have faster surfaces would shorten matches. The only problem is this: who stops Isner and Raonic if courts speed up?
     
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    Faster court speed would help some but what is really needed are low bounce conditions. Topspin would be less effective. Going to the net and dropshoting would work while standing two feet behind the baseline would be a mistake Either having slicker surfaces or putting a little less air pressure in the balls or slicker balls are some ways to get low bounce conditions.
     
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    I'm also for the quickening of courts.

    Alternatively, enforcing the time limit will also mean that players won't have as much time to recover and if 2-3 long rallies are played, the next few that follow will undoubtedly be shorter.
     
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    My first reaction was like many others. Just speed up the surfaces.

    My troll answer is to suggest the umpire randomly sound a loud buzzer in the middle of a rally, and the players then must go for a kill shot. The stadium can also blast some loud music when it's "kill time". Kinda like a bad futuristic gladiator movie...
     
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    Instead of the server winning the time-limited points as OP suggests, shouldn't the receiver win the point. After all, the server has the advantage. If the receiver can stay in the point that long, he should get the point. Eh?
     
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    What if they just eliminate the spectators. We could go back to the good old days when all you knew was what Wide World of Sports told you in a 15 min. recap.
     
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    Worse announcer around and talked during points.

    I like players to figure out for themselves what to do.
     
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  31. single_handed_champion

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    Ooh, let me play too. How about......

    We try to make the serve everything in tennis? Allow serving from anywhere in the court, any kind of serve (overhead, forehand, backhand), allow 3 serves instead of 2? Also points have to be won on either the serve or return. So cut down on rally length to 2.

    I know... totally doable and the ATP/WTA will jump at the idea :roll:
     
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    wtf??? i hope some people aren't serious. limit rallies? 4 game sets? time frame on matches? all terrible ideas. tennis is good the way it is. just add some more surface variety and we are good to go.
     
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    yep. i said this in the worst commentator thread. glad someone agrees
     
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    Absolutely, could not keep his trap shut. The other guy was pretty good, i think, Al Trautwig. Spoke very little. However, Jensen had him convinced by the end of USO that coaching should be allowed.
     
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    There you go again ... Ok ...
    Let's settle for 5 tosses in slams but only in the semi and final rounds.
     
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    LOL..Player with the most amount of spin on the coin will be declared the winner.
    Best suggestions so far.
     
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    that would make ralph the undisputed goat.
     
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  38. Sentinel

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    Won't less air pressure in the balls mean:

    - slower movement through court/groundies, giving defenders more time to retrieve each ball

    - slower serves, so longer rallies and more breaks, so longer sets.

    Yes, the bounce will be lower encouraging dropshots and slices. I imagine points will end not due to winners, but dropshots or errors on handling a slice. I imagine people will use forehand slices or squash shots more than they do today.

    What do you think ?
     
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  39. Vcore89

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    Just enforce the 20-second rule, that's it. finito. Only injury time and hawkeye challenge can buy them some precious seconds. In this scenario, it shall be truly a survival of the fittest (which btw, Rafa is the fittest...well, he is injured now but he was indeed the fittest).

    And yes, more grass less clay and and slow HC.

    Oh, bring back Dennis Rodman, er, Rebound Ace.:)
     
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  40. MonfilsMadness

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    Enforce the rules. Simple.
     
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    Less towels, count net-touch serve as a good one. Thats enough. And more clay courts pls. not you have too much hardcourts - US open series, AO series, Fall... everthing is hardcourt. Bring in more clay.
     
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    1. More grass
    2. Less clay
    3. Lower Bounces
    4. Enforce time limits between points
     
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  43. marpiw

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    The ONLY WAY to shorten tennis matches is to abolish 5 setters and play only 3 setters with their corresponding tie-breaks no matter if the match is a first round or a final one...
     
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    Easy fix..."no-add" scoring. It would add excitement plus shorten up games without affecting individual points.
     
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    How about instead of giving the point away, both players have to immediatley rush the net, so if the player knows 20 strokes have been hit, he knows his next shot has to be an approach, you could have a scoreboard for strokes, would be exciting. And also a separate scoreboard for a real inforced amount of time between points, and if the player goes over, it buzzes loudly and everyone knows he just defaulted that point.
     
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    Just make it 3 sets with no tie break in the 3rd.
     
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    Best answer imo.
     
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  48. 6-1 6-3 6-0

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    There doesn't need to be a reduction in the length of matches. The AO 2012 final between Nadal and Djokovic (Nadal lost a 7-5 fifth set and closed the mental gap between him and Djokovic, winning three consecutive matches against him thereafter) was one of the best matches I've ever seen.
     
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  49. dominikk1985

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    Well if you make that kind of suggestions I will add another one:

    Instead of the 5th set just have them fight it out in a bareknuckle fight:).

    j/k of course, leave tennis like it is. I would however bring indoor carpet back and play wimby on real grass:).
     
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  50. OrangePower

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    Just enforce the rules and limit to 20 / 25 secs between points.

    People will say that this is unrealistic and unfair to players because they need more time after long rallies.

    I say if time between points is enforced, it will force players to at times go for more earlier in the point to keep it short, because they will be gassed.

    Enforce the rule and rallies will become shorter out of necessity.
     
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