Hewitt and Federer at their best- Hewitt is the superior player

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  1. hewittboy

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    When Federer and Hewitt are both at their best Hewitt is superior in most aspects of the game:

    Forehand- Federer by alot
    Backhand- Hewitt
    Serve- Federer by a bit
    Return of Serve- Hewitt
    Movement- Hewitt
    Mental Game- Hewitt
    Net Game- Hewitt by a bit
     
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  2. Commando Tennis Shorts

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    Hewitt never ever dominated like Federer. Making a list and throwing some check marks in is not an effective way of measuring superiority
     
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  3. hewittboy

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    Hewitt dominated Federer up until 2004. In 2004-2005 Hewitt was past his prime but still should have done better vs Federer as he is the better overall player aspect for aspect as I broke down. Fortunately for Federer, Hewitt in addition to being past his prime underperformed in their matches those couple years. From 2000-2003 Hewitt dominated Federer head to head.
     
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    Us Open 04
    6–0, 7–6(3), 6–0

    Not his prime but still....
     
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    That is still way better than 6-1 6-3 6-0.
     
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  6. LttlElvis

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    If you had to choose to have one's game? Federer by a lot
     
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  7. hewittboy

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    What aspect am I wrong on when comparing their games. Hewitt no doubt has the most solid and superior backhand to Federer's which is shaky. Hewitt is one of the best returners ever, Federer's return is defensive and at time shaky. Federer is extremely quick, but Hewitt at his best is the quickest player on tour and clearly superior mover to Federer. Federer is mentally tougher, but Hewitt at his best is superior to all except Nadal here. Federer is a shaky volleyer, Hewitt at his best is a quite solid volleyer and in fact probably better than Federer. The only thing Federer does better is the serve by a bit only, and the forehand by alot. Overall Hewitt is the superior player.
     
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    Come back to me when Djokovic wins another slam :rolleyes:
     
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  9. Ray Mercer

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    Lol Hewitt is a journeyman. Federer just blows him off the court with his power. Hewitt's ground strokes are weak.
     
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    Madrid 09

    6/4 6/4
     
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    Hewitt's backhand is better than Federer's. Federer's forehand is better. So Federer's groundstrokes must be weak too then as they are only equal to Hewitt's. It looks back for Federer if he is only better at 30% of the aspects of tenns than a journeyman when both are in their primes and playing well
     
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  13. P_Agony

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    All the bolded ones are IMO a big failure.

    Fed's serve is much better than Hewitt's - he gets many free points off of it, not so much for Hewitt. Federer probably has one of the best movemvents of all time, it is the core of his game actually. Hewitt's movement is good, but Fed's is better.

    Return of serve and Net game is a tie for me. Fed's return has declined, but he used to be the best defensive returner on tour. Hewitt's returns used to be great as well.

    You forgot about tactics and smart play, and in that category Fed wins big time.
     
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  14. Max G.

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    Lolll

    troll troll troll troll troll

    don't feed the troll.

    Also, at my best, I'm better than Federer.
     
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  15. P_Agony

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    Who's Djokovic? :confused:
     
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    Nadal's knees...
     
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    how about we add some more check marks?

    Forehand- Federer by alot
    Backhand- Hewitt (disagree)
    Serve- Federer by a bit (by a lot)
    Return of Serve- Hewitt (tie at best)
    Movement- Hewitt (marginally)
    Mental Game- Hewitt (Federer has won 14 slams, enough said)
    Net Game- Hewitt by a bit (Federer by a lot)
    Power -- Federer
    Tactics -- Federer
    Drop Shot -- Federer.
    Variety -- Federer
    Stamina -- Federer
    Longevity -- Federer
    Power is a big problem for hewitt. He could never generate enough to compete with the top players. If his serve and power game were better he might've played shorter points and prolonged his career.
     
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  18. LttlElvis

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    Hey, no one is going to change the opinion of a guy who has the name hewittboy. A prime Roger dominates him in just about everything. I have to admit, Hewitt had a lot of heart, and he got the most out of his abilities. Watch him live, and it's incredible how early his racquet preparation is, like he's reading his opponent's mind.
     
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  19. woodrow1029

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    What does that match have to do with this thread?
     
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  20. Lotto

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    I think he's that guy who somehow won an Australian Open last year. He had to take down a fed with mono though and an inform Tsonga in his first grand slam final...Since then though, anytime theyve met in a slam Fed has dominated him but his fans have made excuses that he wasnt at his best but sure feds "past it" and is not at his best and just won the French Open so yano.
     
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  21. Breaker

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    Not even close, try again.
     
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  22. Lotto

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    And to get back on topic, is it acutally possible, to even compare 14 grand slam titles to 2? 14 to 2? :confused: And how long was Hewitt No.1 for?...Federer? I just cant comprehend how its even possible to even think Hewitt at his best is or was better then Federer at is. It is infact incomprehensible.
     
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    The Dynamic Duo has shown up!
     
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    Federer vs Hewitt if both were at their career bests:

    Forehand- Federer
    Backhand- Federer
    Serve- Federer
    Return vs baseliner- Federer
    Movement in baseline rallies- Federer
    Volleys- Federer
    Overhead- Federer
    Mental Toughness- Federer
    Strategy- Federer

    Passing Shots- Hewitt or tied
    Return of Serve vs net rusher- Hewitt
    Movement vs volleyer- Hewitt or tied
    Lobs- Hewitt

    Basically Hewitt even at his best does absolutely nothing better than Federer in a match vs a fellow baseliner which Federer is hence why he is owned by Federer even when both were in their primes together. All the things Hewitt does do better are related to playing a net attacker or a serve/volleyer and unfortunately for Hewitt those players dont play anymore. He is one of the few players who would benefit from 90s court conditions and more 90s style players.
     
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  25. FlamEnemY

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    What thalivest said.
    About Hewitt's style, there was a discussion on this forum and someone posted his results versus good S&V players. He totally owned them, something like 20-4 in his favor.
     
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    Hewitt sucks. Australians overrated there athletes even more than the British.

    Hewitt was never that good and should not be compared to Federer, Nadal, Sampras
    or anyother elite player for that matter.
     
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    Unfortunately, the serve and the forehand are the biggest weapons in tennis.

    Thread fail.
     
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    There are 2 reasons why that comparison isn't valid:

    -2008 FO final was played on Nadal's best surface-Fed's worst(clay) while 2004 USO final was played on both Hewitt's and Fed's best surface(fast HC).

    -in 2008 FO on route to the final Fed lost sets to Gonzo,Montanes and Monfils(who pushed him really hard in FO semi)while Hewitt didn't lose a single set on his route to the final in 2004 USO,he even straightsetted a red hot Pim-Pim who defeated a defending champion Andy Roddick.
     
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  29. T1000

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    I agree with the serve

    Return is Hewitt no matter what. He is one of the best returners of all time, Fed is not

    Net game is Federer in their primes. Federer has great volleys. Hewitt is solid at the net but Fed has some great hands

    Movement - They both move differently. Fed is fluid and effortless. He looks like he is gliding on the court. Hewitt on the other hand is extremley quick and fast. He can run down balls better than anyone, except maybe Nadal. Hewitt runs down balls Federer can never get to while Federer can just move around that backhand and fire a forehand for a winner or to set him up on offense

    They are both mentally tough so tie.

    Forehand - Fed by a lot

    Backhand - Hewitt is just solid here, one great backhand. Federer has a lot of variety, something hewitt doesn't have

    passing shots - Hewitt wins here. Federer has great passing shots, but Hewitt loves that target at the net.

    tactics and smartness - federer
     
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  30. zagor

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    Fed's mono,back,age...
     
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    Hewitt is not as mentally tough as Federer, not even close. If he were he wouldnt give up in some matches vs Federer like he has, and start giving increasingly meek efforts once he lost a few competitive matches with Federer the first half of 2004. Hewitt is very mentally tough still but in mental toughness it goes:

    Nadal > Federer >> Hewitt > everyone else of this decade
     
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  32. Breaker

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    If Safin can be compared to these guys, Hewitt has every right and more to be.
     
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    I don't know, I'd put Roddick right there with Hewitt. Despite going through rough times in 2006, getting pummeled by Federer in 07 multiple times, and having a disappointing 2008 season (for his standards) he has come roaring back each time.
     
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    Come on OP. Get real.

    Plus, I lost any respect I had for Hewitt after he showed how racist he was in the Blake match in 2001.
     
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    I wish I could suck and have a winning record against sampras and have 2 slams, year end number 1s, multiple master shields and year end champions, davis cups, etc. yea he's awful :roll:
     
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    journymen don't win two slams (read my above post to read the rest of the accomplishments
     
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  37. Breaker

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    Roddick gave in mentally several times to Hewitt and Federer similarly to how Hewitt did in the final set of the '04 US Open.

    Lost 20 points in a row to end the match against Hewitt at Masters Cup semifinal '04.

    Essentially tanked 4th set against Hewitt at '05 Aussie after losing two tiebreaks.

    Being consistently in the top 10 doesn't give him more (equal) mental toughness than Hewitt, if that were the case Davydenko would be in the conversation as well and that definitely is not true.
     
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  38. FlamEnemY

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    Come on, Hewitt was a great player. Unfortunately for him his style isn't / wasn't good enough to counter the power baseline game that dominates the tour, he is however the pure anti S&V player. You can't achieve what he has achieved if you 'suck' , Guru.

    It's just that Federer is... well, Federer. He's a different animal.
     
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    Get a clue both of you,you don't know what are you talking about.
     
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  40. tudwell

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    OP, you forgot a category:

    Winning: Federer by a thousand million billion
     
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    I guess you could make that argument. I actually have said Roddick's fighting spirit is underrated and is one of his best assets, along with his great serve, sometimes lethal forehand, and consistency from the baseline (even during those times his forehand is loopy and he has no real weapons from there anymore). Then again I look at a match like the 2005 Australian Open where Roddick blew so many chances and went away in the final set, but that is just one match so not totally fair to compare them only on that. To be so consistent for so many years reqires alot of mental toughness, and even through all his defeats vs Federer he seems to keep fighting hard whenever they play.
     
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    Davydenko has choked more blatantly in big matches than Roddick has though. Roddick the 2005 AO semi with Hewitt you mention was the closest to choking. Really any other big match he has lost was not due to his mental game. Sometimes it was due to not playing the way he should, or not playing that well, but that is different. Davydenko has had some glaring chokes, the 06 French Open semis, 07 French Open semis where he served for all 3 sets vs Federer I think, 07 AO quarters vs Haas, alot of other matches over the years. He is known for getting very tight and lacking self belief to beat a top player when he has them on the ropes. I dont think Roddck is known for that.
     
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    Safin should not be compared to those guys
    he's another overrated player. Safin is though better than than Hewitt.


    Of course he's not an awful player
    but compared to Federer he's nothing special.

    Anyone who compares Safin or Hewitt to Federer is an idiot
    and i'm not even a Federer fan. Roger's won more Grand Slam's in a year
    than Hewitt has won in his whole career. FACT.
     
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    My Dog in his prime is better than Federer

    My dog is 13 years old and sleeps all day and cr:(ps where he eats
    but when he was 3 he was way better than Federer:

    Forehand - Federer by alot
    Speed- My dog by alot
    Footwork- My dog
    Backhand - Fedrerer
    Serve- Federer
    Retrieve of Serve - My dog
    Volley - Federer
    Ability to clean own balls- My dog

    As you can see Federer is alot better in some areas but my dog can do things Federer can only dream about. This plus his superior speed makes
    my dog the much better player. I know he has no slam titles but he was sidelined most of the grasscourt season due to worms.
     
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    hewittboy, so you're saying prime Hewitt would beat prime Federer.


    So if they played in their primes and you had to make a prediction as to who would win and your life depended on it, would you still choose Hewitt?


    Stop trolling, you know that if you were ever in a situation like that you'd choose Federer to save your neck.
     
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    Heck, Davydenko choked at the AO, where he had a big opportunity to go up 2 sets to 0. He was outgunning Federer from the baseline, and really was giving him all sorts of trouble.
     
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    True Davydenko's choking should put him behind Roddick you are right there, I'd still put a Roddick behind a prime Hewitt in terms of mental toughness if only for the fact that when in their primes together Hewitt had the edge and clearly broke down Roddick mentally on the two occasions I showed (Masters Cup and Aussie Open). Roddick could be a close number 4 due to longevity yeah but in my opinion the other factors that go into mental toughness Hewitt is above him.

    Roddick is, however, underrated in many other ways on this board.
     
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    I dont remember the details of that match as well as you probably do now, but yeah I remember that was another match that showed his lack of self belief and inability to close out chances vs top players. There is a reason he isnt touted for his mental strength despite his years in the top 10 (still not nearly as long as Roddick who has been there since 2002 remember).
     
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    What you have just said has made everybody on this forum dumber....
     
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    Davydenko had won the 2nd set, and was up a break in the 3rd, and had chances to go up two breaks in the 3rd. He had a couple of chances to win the 4th set also. He was outplaying Federer from the baseline badly that day. Federer escaped 6-4, 3-6, 7-6, 7-6. Actually, I think Davydenko might have had a chance to serve for the 3rd, but I'm not sure about that. I do know though that Federer was in some serious trouble.
     
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