Hewitt: Roger & Rafa have taken the game to new levels

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  1. fed_rulz

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    Hewitt in his post match conference says:

    He also drives the final nail(s) in the coffins of the Fed Vs Sampras, Weak era debates. He says Fed is the greatest he has played against, and is better than Sampras (i.e fed is both BOAT & GOAT - at least relative to sampras). End of story Pete-tards :twisted:

    In summary he has:

    1. debunked weak era claims; if anything according to him, this era is stronger than the previous one
    2. Fed is better and greater than sampras
    3. Fed is the best all-court player

    Link: http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/interviews/2009-09-05/200909051252177814593.html
     
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  2. TheNatural

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    So basically Hewitt said that Rafa is boat/goat. Hewitt said that Rafa took the game to a new higher level than Fed's previous highest level, then Rafa he got injured and took 3 months off.
     
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  3. GasquetGOAT

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    No, actually he said Rafa took the game to a new higher level, then "Roger has had to better himself to stay with Rafa" therefore took it to another new and even higher level than Rafa, then Rafa could't keep up and resorted to use injuries as excuse and as a way out.
     
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    I bet this thread was entirely directed towards the GOAT flame wars between Sampras and *******s
     
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  5. GasquetGOAT

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    But Hewitt does have a point, the game is always improving. The level of Roger/Rafa is way higher than the Sampras/Agassi era and any eras before that.
     
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    Great speech from Leyton, BTW he said Roger is the BOT, righ? ... just kidding.
     
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    1. Hewitt is not at his best. At his best he was the wtrongest player mentally and he totally beat himself in his match against fed when he was serving at 5 all in the third. World no.1 Hewitt would never have let that happen.

    2. Hewitt did not play Sampras at his best. He played him when he was winding down his career and when he had his career worst year in 2001. He has played Fed at the absolute peak of his career. If you had asked him who was better in 2003 he would have said Sampras was better, because Fed was not yet about to begin his run.

    3. Hewitt's word is not gospel. It is one mans opinion.
     
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    Hewitt played Agassi and Sampras a few times prior to 2001, so he knows how "prime" Sampras and Agassi play.
     
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    Hewitt never played Sampras in his pomp, Sampras 93-97 would have no problems with Hewitt.
     
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    Wrong, Sampras gets better with age. Hence why he lost to Federer in 2001 but in their exo's he was able to take a match off him.

    Right cesc?
     
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  11. Cesc Fabregas

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    Federer played the match of his life, and he still only beat old man Sampras 7-5 in the 5th.
     
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    Only right, nadal is the next great after federer and increased the level of the game. Safin more or less said the same thing last year that nadal is the best player (I think he is probably talking about the level) he has ever played, better than sampras and federer.
     
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    While i dont think Sampras was washed up, he was clearly not in his prime. Agassi could be different, but his best years 94 - 95, 99 were gone
     
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    Thats coming from IMO--A Top 3 All Court Player of all time.. Llyeton Hewitt

    1. Federer
    2. Hewitt
    3. Pancho Gonzalez
     
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    Pete is lucky he faced a pre-prime Fed and only once.
     
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    I know. Federer is the greatest of all time.
     
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    If you ask Safin now who the best player is, I am sure he will tell you its Federer...Don't forget that Nadal was # 1 when Safin was asked this question...
     
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  20. Jchurch

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    I think that Sampras could have been just about on par with Federer, but he didn't have the same hunger that Federer does. Sampras could have dominated the way that Federer did, but he just didn't have the drive to do it.
     
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    no, sampras does not have the complete game that Fed has. his game has some glaring holes that were thoroughly exposed on clay, so just being more "hungry" would not have cut it for Pete, IMO.
     
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    Actually Nadal hasn't taken the game to new level beyond Fed. It just seems that way because in 2008 Fed was not at his best. Fed is actually much more talented than Nadal. People will see order resumed in the upcoming years.
     
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  23. Jchurch

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    I think that if Pete really wanted to, he could of become much better on clay. But there is still no reason Pete couldn't have dominated the hard courts the same way he did grass at Wimbledon.
     
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    I thought the order has already been resumed, Fed 1, Murray 2 and Nadal 3, no?
     
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    What evidence do you have to support this claim - other than wishful thinking, that is?
     
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    So you think the guy who's idol was Laver(a guy who won calendar grand slam twice)didn't want to be better on clay? To prove himself on all surfaces? Don't kid yourself,Pete wanted to win the FO(badly)but he wasn't able to.
     
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    That's a load of BS. Then, pray tell me, why didn't Pete "really want" to? As far as your assertion that there's "no reason" why he didnt dominate hard courts, here's a thought: perhaps, he wasn't as good as Fed? Perhaps he wouldn't have dominated wimby if he had met his bad match-up (say Krajicek) more often? I don't know..

    Pete had great talent, but not to the extent of Fed; he maximally utilized his talents and achieved what he had in his career. A superior talent came along, and eclipsed most of his records (and still continues to do so).

    This explanation seems to "fit" as opposed to one where the sole claim hinges on a wishful "if he wanted to...".
     
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    I am actually a Federer fan and I do believe Federer is Goat. I think the only surface that Sampras would have possibly given Federer trouble on would be grass. I just think that Sampras had the talent to become better, but he just seemed content with what happens happens.
     
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  30. Jchurch

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    Wanting and doing are two different things. Are you honestly going to say that it is impossible for Pete to develop a game that would have worked better on clay? I sure as hell think he could have.
     
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    I don't think that Pete was better than Federer or could ever be. As I posted earlier I think grass is the only surface that he could give Federer a problem on. Federer's game is far more complete than Pete's ever was. It also took Federer longer to pull his game together to achieve the success that he has. I just don't think Pete really cared to put the work in.
     
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    Well he had a coach and youth on his side. He played and trained for the clay court season but it just never happened to for him. Unless you think Pete should have took time off and switched to a western forehand grip and two handed backhand, I dont see your point. Pete had an agressive all court game and It didnt work to well for him on clay. It is really hard to tweak your game that much when you are a top class pro player.
     
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    JChurch, we can agree to disagree then. I'm pretty sure Pete wanted FO badly, and if it meant extra effort on his part, then I'd bet that he'd have worked his *** off to get it.
     
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    Here's a thread you might be interested in:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=263734&highlight=kafelnikov&page=2

    On page 2 Krosero found a lot of articles and interviews from Pete from his time that showed he still cared and tried to win the FO but it didn't work out.Pete was a champ,he wanted to win everything and FO was the only thing that was missing.
     
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    gee you sure know a lot for someone who just reg'd
     
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    hewitt says rafa is boat but roger is goat.
     
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    don't forget FILA (sp?), who was thankfully banned after 3 posts.
     
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    No, I can not!

    What a hypocritical lying fool!
     
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    indirectly calling the mods gullible fools, is basically what you're doing here lol.
     
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    I would rather watch a Federer, Nadal, Hewett, Roddick match any day. These four have contributed enormously to the game and they all have that vital ingredient that makes tennis exciting to watch: pure determination and guts. They all need bonus points just for attending because they all have suffered for the game in some way
     
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    You mean Rafa streaked ahead of Fed and so he beat Fed in the last 3 slam finals that they played against each other. Rafa's level was beyond Fed's highest level ever and unattainable by Fed. Fed was overextending himself and his game was breaking down while he was trying to reach Rafa's higher unattainable level, then Rafa got injured and Fed's lower level was enough to beat the rest.

    Yeh Fed was trying to better himself to stay with Rafa but it wasn't enough until Rafa got injured.
     
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    Right, thats why in 06 and 07 when Roger was in top form, Rafa managed to win all those slams outside Clay and made the USO finals. And why a non top form Roger(for whatever reasons) in 08, Rafa won 1 slam outside of clay.
     
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    Well the story is right but you got the charactors the other way around.

    The correct version: Roger's level was beyond Rafa's highest level ever and unattainable by Rafa. Nadal was overextending himself and his game and body was breaking down while he was trying to reach Roger's higher unattainable level, then Rafa got injured because Roger's consistency and skills are at an unattainable level for Rafa, no matter how hard he tried.

    Rafa was trying to better himself to stay with Roger but it wasn't enough and never will be so Rafa had to resort to use injuries as an excuse for he realises he will never be as consistent or talented as Roger.
     
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    Gasquet hit the nail on head. If Nadal wanted to keep up with Fed he had to push himself to an entirely new level, and look what happened. Though madrid was far from a fluke.
     
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    As another poster in another thread put it, to overtake Roger at #1( and even with that he was assisted with Roger's mono), and catch him at Wimbledon, it cost Nadal a leg and a knee.
     
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    Hewitt loved playing netchargers like Sampras, no wonder he finds Fed better then... Also Moya, Guga and Brugera i think has said that they think Sampras is better..
     
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    Well, Fed and Rafa is at 100% now, lets see who's got what at the UO. :arrow:
     
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    Moya & Guga did think sampras was better, but I think that was before Fed at least a couple of years ago. Bruguera, iirc, always maintained Fed was better.
    Plus, these are opinions, and they can vary. However, the ones that think Sampras is better than Fed are a very small minority now.
     
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