Hewitt still has major 'stuff to give'

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    God I miss this Warrior. Would figuratively leave his body parts out on the court....
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HXpKN5d5t8

    one of his best matches against old baby fed. gasquest was playing insane then.

    also of note, the crowd was so drunk that during this match they booed when the umpire took away the hot ball girl because she was getting to many whistles.
     
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    Of course he does.

    His run at the USO this year was impressive and reflective of his brilliant character and work ethic. He defeated two top ten players at GS's in '13 - Stan the Man at Wimbledon and Del Potro at the USO. For an ageing player rotted with injury, this is impressive.
     
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    the old guard is not done yet, very good article about lleyton and tommy hass in this months tennis issue.

    new guys like tomic and dimitrov dont have the heart or talent compared to the older generation
     
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    Great links. Watching that Queens match now.
    "Not many know their way around a grass court like a Leyton Hewitt."
    I love it.....

    Might we see a QF maybe a SF run at a Major?
     
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    I am 100% sure no one wants hewitt in their draw at AuS
     
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    I so wish he beat Federer more. Just a tough match up for him. When they changed the bounce on the Wimbledon and US Open it really hurt Hewitt.
     
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    Honestly Hewitt has actually been let DOWN by his mental strength for the past few years. He was SO tight against Dustin Brown at Wimbledon and the match against Youzhny at the US Open this year was a disgrace. His game is there, he needs to get more composed in high pressure situations, like he used to be. Understandable though, given all the injuries and time off from the game he's had. I definitely think he can be a top 20 player again, his movement is better than it was a few years ago and his groundstrokes are rock solid. Just needs that old "eye of the tiger" and he'll be right up there.
     
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    I feel like most of the matches he plays are in his hands. just couple of years ago he took novak to three sets at the olympics and had a very big run at aus. he took out arod, milos (not a good prospect,) and went to 4 sets against novak.
     
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    Honestly, the major difference between Lleyton Hewitt and Andy Murray and even Novak Djokovic was that he got injured during the best part of his career and lost his speed. He was in a very similar mold to these guys and he was actually playing his best tennis in 2004 and 2005 after bulking up in the 2003 offseason. When he got injured in the beginning 2006 and his movement dropped down 2 levels, he lost his status as a top player. In 2004 and 2005 Hewitt lost to Federer SO many times in the majors it was unbelievable, if Djokovic and Murray were playing against a prime Federer at that time they would have done no better in the majors. If they got injured they would similarly have been hampered, they are the same mold of player as Hewitt. Hopefully he can get back to the top 20.
     
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    I don't Hewitt was ever as good as the Djokovic of the last 3 years though. You would never see even prime Hewitt beat Nadal 7 straight times for instance, not in a million years.
     
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    not so sure about that, he took out the goat last time they played and won halle
     
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    You never know, Hewitt lost to Federer 5 times in 2004 and 2005, an on fire Safin (who many people consider to have one of the top peak levels of all time) once, and Gaston Gaudio in good form in 7 of 8 slams in 2004 and 2005. In every Grand Slam event he played in 2004 and 2005 he lost to the eventual champion, the only winnable match being Gaudio. Think about it, its NUTS. He also lost to Federer in TMC in 2004, and didn't play it in 2005. In 2006 Hewitt's results took a nose dive due to injury. I don't know that Djokovic, and certainly not Murray, would have won ANY grand slams during that period if he'd been given Hewitt's draws.
     
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    hewitt>murray
     
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    I'm sorry to spoil the party, but Hewiit is done. He can be brilliant from time to time, but to win anything, you have to be brilliant for at least 3-4 matches. He just doesn't have that any more.
     
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    If you mean done winning grand slams, then you are almost certainly right due to his injury. If you mean done winning tournaments altogether, I think you are 100% wrong.
     
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    very foolish to count any slam winner as finished.
     
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    He really is though and I love the guy. He's as done as Michael Jackson in 2001.
     
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    Hmm, I dunno.

    The last time I went to the AO I was lucky enough to see him play Roddick and it was terrific.

    We're going again this year and I almost hope I don't see him becasue I don't want to spoil that last memory...

    I don't think I'm the only australian tennis fan that would like to see him hang it up sooner rather than later.

    go coach Tomic or something!
     
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    I really want him to coach davis cup with rafter
     
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    Again no way on any planet would any version of Hewitt come anywhere close to beating Nadal 7 times in a row (including 2 wins on clay) like Djokovic did. I dare you to even try to deny that.


    He also wouldn't be going 7-2 on non clay surfaces with Nadal like Djokovic has done in 2011-2013. Nor dominate any field the way Djokovic did the first 8 months of 2011. Nor be as insanely consistently good as Djokovic has been the last 3 years (I don't mean just slams, but all tournaments btw, and on all surfaces which would include clay). He wouldn't beat Federer (yes even an older and weaker version) 4 times out of 5 like Djokovic did in 2011. Nor win 5 of 9 slams in the field Djokovic was facing in 2011-early 2013 (or really any field). I could go on forever here. So even in the hypothetical you are right that Djokovic wouldn't win a slam then there is still simply no way prime Djokovic is not a better tennis player than prime Hewitt.

    Although I totally disagree with you about prime Djokovic not winning a slam then for what it is worth. He would have most likely (atleast 80%) won the 2004 French if given Hewitt's draw. Absolutely no way Gaudio was beating the 2011-2013 Djokovic who pushed Nadal hard on clay, and unlikely Coria would have, especialy the way he played that final. He would have had a real shot of winning the 2005 French too. He would have probably won atleast 1 Australian Open, IMO he is atleast the equal of prime Federer there.

    What does prime Hewitt do better anyway? Passing shots, and that would be it. Maybe volleys too, but Hewitt wouldnt have enough firepower to even get to the net vs someone like Djokovic (or Nadal, or Federer). The biggest difference of all between them is Hewitt's groundstrokes are way behind Djokovic in power, accuracy, consistency, everything really, not even in the same league (and yes I am talking prime Hewitt here). Movement and overall defense Djokovic is probably even better, and certainly isn't weaker. Djokovic's serve is easily better, and his return is probably a bit better. Djokovic dialed in is an even greater fighter than Hewitt, just look at this epic comebacks. Djokovic also has the intangible factors that just makes him harder to play. I have seen Hewitt play many times in all his best years- 2001, 2002, 2004, and 2005, and beyond a shadow of doubt he was in no way as intimidating to the overall tour (both during his reign in late 2001-early 2003, and when you claim his best tennis was in 2004 and 2005) as Djokovic has been the last several years.

    That isn't to say prime Hewitt wasn't a very strong player in his own right though. Yes it could be argued he was just as strong as Murray.
     
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    So a single 5 set win over baby Nadal unseeded at that event, and who cramped at the end, demonstrates that this version of Hewitt could have posted 7 wins in a row, including wins on all surfaces over prime Nadal. Nice joke, or maybe you didn't read my post carefully (I hope that was the case).
     
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    on paper nadal is a terrible match up for hewitt, plus it was very hard at AUS because he always has so much pressure.

    look at this match though.

    It went to a decider. Hewitt came in a ton, if he went to the net just a little more I think he would have won the match. Not a lot of guys employ this tactic on clay against Nadal.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JREH6wFhzU.

    on fast grass, I think you would have a real battle if both where in there prime
     
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    I agree with you that Djokovic is a better player than Hewitt, but if you stuck Djokovic in Hewitt's place in 2004/2005 it would certainly be relatively debatable. Djokovic is a much better claycourter than Hewitt I agree, and he probably could have beaten a choking Coria (and definitely Gaudio). I really don't think he would win either AO (majestic Federer in 2004 and uber Safin in 2005) or USO (Federer was a monster in both of those years and Djokovic hasn't been great at hat slam) in the years we are talking about. Wimbledon against Federer in 2004 and 2005 is obviously a joke. So if we put Djokvoic in Hewitt's place he probably could have been more successful in the Masters series events and maybe won the 2004 French Open (no chance in 2005, both Federer and Nadal were playing really well. The only reason Nadal had a bit of trouble with Puerta was that he was doped to the gills). Djokovic would not have done MUCH better than Hewitt in 2004/2005, although I agree he is a better player than Llegs.

    Put Djoker and Lleyton in the 90's though, and Lleyton would IMO outperform him. Even in the 2000's, Djokovic would NOT be getting the better of 2004/2005 Federer in majors.
     
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    Hewitt of 2001 and 2002 has similar career achievements to Djokovic in the last 2 years. (2 slams and 2 WTFs). Djokovic didn't play peak Federer, he played prime Federer and even against old Fed, he nearly lost twice (in 2010 and 2011) at the US Open and did in fact lose at the French in 2011 to Federer. If Federer was in peak mode then, he would have wiped the floor with Djokovic everywhere except maybe the Australian Open, and as seen in 2012, Hewitt could still take sets off peak Djokovic and this is Hewitt about 7 years out of his prime. If Hewitt was in 2005 mode he could have actually beaten Djokovic.
     
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    Federer was good at the 2004 Australian Open. Not majestic. He struggled hard vs both Hewitt and Nalbandian, and Nalbandian wasn't even playing particularly great. Then faced a tired and dead Safin in the final. I would favor Djokovic of the 2011 Australian Open to win. I wouldnt say it is certain but I would pick him. Federer at the 2005 or 2007 Australian Opens are the only ones I might not favor Djokovic of the 2011 Australian Open to beat.

    2005 come to think of it he would have had a real good shot if he had Hewitt's draw as you put it. Hewitt lucked out majorly to have Federer and Safin both in the other half. Safin was not great at all in the final, and way below his semifinal level. Hewitt didn't play a very good final either, and still led 4-1 in the 3rd set with a shot to go up 2 sets to 1. Had he taken that he would have had a good shot of winning in factd. I definitely think the 2012 Australian Open Djokovic who saw off a very determined and excellent Nadal, and an excellent Murray in the semis, could have won the 2005 event if given Hewitt's draw, and he avoided the Federer-Safin semifinal.

    2004 French we both agree was a great shot.

    So I could see a chance of atleast 3 slams.

    As for the 2005 French, well Djokovic is pushing prime Nadal hard on clay and often beating him, so why would he have no chance vs an 18 year old Nadal. Of course he would have a chance. 2007-2010 Nadal I agree he would have no chance vs on clay.

    As for 90s court conditions, while those would help Hewitt, I don't see why one would assume Djokovic wouldn't be very successful on those. He is one of the best returners in history, and has incredible timing. He is almost like an Agassi with way more athletic ability and court movement. If Kafelnikov won 2 slams, I am sure Djokovic who is a better player in everyway would be just fine.



    Of course he could have beaten him at some point. On grass he probably would have (I do think prime Hewitt is a superior grass court player to Djokovic). That doesn't mean overall he is as good, or would have done as well.

    Djokovic of 2012 and 2013 was only equal to Hewitt in winning 2 slams and 2 WTF. In every other way Djokovic was miles more consistent and strong, both in the slams and outside. Hewitt's slam results those two years were 3rd round, quarters, 4th round, win, 1st round, 4th round, win, semis, and he won a grand total of 1 Masters event.

    Given that Djokovic has nearly beat Nadal at RG (something Federer could never come close to) and beaten him several times on clay, I highly doubt Federer would "mop the floor" with Djokovic there, despite winning a very good match past his prime in a huge upset at the 2011 RG. At the U.S Open Federer would almost always win given that Djokovic is 1-4 in U.S Open finals anyway, but the matches would not be easy at all either. For the record I am far from a Djokovic fan, and since this thread isn't about Djokovic I will stop on the topic now.
     
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    Hewitt is around 62 in the world rank charts..

    at least he does not have to qualify or rely on wildcards for majors..and just needs to raise his rank a bit more so he has direct entry into masters 1st rds.
     
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    He may win some really small events but even that's hard for him now. That's life. We all grow old. I respect the guy. He was no.1 for 80 weeks, 10th best in open era, ahead of the likes of Edberg and Courier.
     
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    I disagree with Hewitt not having enough firepower to bother the top guys today. His groundies are underrated IMO. He was hitting winners past peak Federer at the USO 2005 and found his way to net some 40 times in only a few sets winning the majority of those points.

    Djokovic is certainly superior although Hewitt has taken sets of him in almost all their meetings. On grass Hewitt would have a decisive advantage IMO. Slow hardcourts and clay Djokovic is clearly superior although Hewitt wouldn't be blown off the court. On faster hardcourts Djokovic is again superior but Hewitt would have his chances IMO.
     
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    LOL Hewitt is finished, what will he win? ITF Futures?
     
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    he'll still do great at wimbledon, can't believe he lost to Brown this year
     
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    Hewitt was a good player but he is not on the same level as fed nadal murray and djoko. he would have an edge vs guys like del potro (whom he actually leads the H2H with and won both slam matches) and even berdych. he could have frustrated the czech with his defence. he would have an edge against anyone outside the Top 4.

    And agree with NatF. his groundies are underrated. USO 2005 comes to mind and even in 2004 vs God mode federer he had a chance to take a set.

    At tge AO in 2012 when he won that set vs Novak he hit some stunning forehands.
     
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    32 year old Hewitt beat 25 yo Delpo twice this year, when Delpo was a big threat to the top guys. Another proof that we can't really underestimate players of old generation, even from the 'weak era' of early 2000s.
     
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    Yo rdis,
    I was up until Midnight watching the Rusty links you posted. Thanks for messing up my sleep! LOL jk.

    The odds of Hewitt winning 7 matches in a major is very low. But I do think he can have a few QF runs. Possibly one last SF b4 he retires.
    Not ruling that out.
     
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    he is hands down my favorite player. more cool pictures, highlights and full matches to come.
     
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    Althoutgh I don't expect him to go that deep in GS's this year, he has a decent shot at making a QF at 1 or 2 of them. He's definitely still a dangerous player, as shown by wins over Delpo this year. He still managed to beat Federer on grass only a couple of years back, nothing to sneeze at.

    I don't think physically he can last 2 weeks nor will his consistency, but I'd love to see him give the top players a scare here and there. :)
     
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    Hewitt had a pretty good year, IMO. Hope he can stay healthy and keep playing well going forward. Great player and fun to watch.
     
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    still holding the torch for AUS tennis. when is the new generation coming? duckworth or tomic need to step their game up
     
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    Hewitt is great for tennis I hope he keeps playing a few more years whether he wins tournys or not. Those talking trash about him should get lost.
     
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