Hingis loses

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  1. Ballmachine

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    Martina got whipped today by Marlene Weingartner (Ger) 1-6 6-2 6-2. I hope this ends her comeback bid. Tennis is much better without her.
     
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  2. verdasco67

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    Better without her? why would it be better without her. She is one of the greats, one of the most respected players in womens tennis. It's her first match give her some slack. Im sure she'll do better throughout the year
     
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  3. Marius_Hancu

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    yes.
    any good player would add to the mix. and she was great.
    now, question is, is she up to the work?
     
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  4. baseliner

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    Since she won the first set, then got waxed, wonder if she is not in match shape yet? For me, I'm glad to see her back. The women's tour needs all the talent they can scare up.
     
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  5. Ballmachine

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    I don't like Martina Hingis as a person or as a tennis player. She believes that the whole world revolves around her. She was very arrogant in victory and not sporting in defeat. Her behavior in the French Open final with Steffi Graf in 1999 was deplorable.

    She tried to sell her latest comeback as a good act of charity, but she only does things for herself. She later admitted that she would be testing the waters for a comeback. Many players have said that Martina could have kept playing when she retired, but she just could not deal with the fact that she would no longer be the number 1 player in the world. Many people believe she used her "injuries" as a way out of competing, and as an easy way to quit. Now, I have heard that she has delayed her comeback because of her pending lawsuit with her former shoe company.

    Her style of play is not to my liking either. Martina beats players with consistency and she waits for them to make mistakes. Real champions, like Steffi Graf, Pete Sampras, Monica Seles, and Roger Federer don't wait for their opponents to miss. They go out and try to hit winners, and go for their shots when the match is on the line. Martina failed to do this in her two finals losses to Capriati at the Australian Open, and in all of the grand slam finals that she lost. Additionally, Martina was number 1 in the world for a period of two years in which she didn't win any majors, which is absurd.

    I hope she packs it again quickly and does something else. The tennis on court, and the tennis community is much better without her.
     
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  6. bb47

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    C'mon Ballmashine, give her some slack.
     
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  7. @wright

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    Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water...
     
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  8. Rabbit

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    Let's see, if Ballmachine were posting about Serena, I'd have to say "Don't be hating". As is, I'd like to see Hingis try to come back. Her game added some nice variety on the women's side.
     
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  9. chazz

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    I've always heard that Martina Hingis was liked by most of the other WTA players when she was on the tour. I like Hingis, i agree that she was arrogant but you have to remember how young she was when she won her grand slams. I remember once she was asked about her rivalry with Anna Kournikova and her response was something like "What rivalry, i beat her every time we play". LOL Hingis is good for the game of tennis because she doesn't rely on power to win her matches.
     
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  10. degreefanlindi

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    Hingis

    Obviously Martina is rusty...and I don't completely understand her desire to come back. I know she probably misses playing, but is she really able to get her game back? I think it might hurt her to even try...as in hurt her reputation as a respectable women's player. She had her run, and I truly believe her best days are behind her, but it's not my call....she is pretty decent in the broadcast booth though.
     
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    Bitter bitter man.
     
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    The sheer fact that Hingis got to the best with her game is remarkable. She doesn't fit in the archetypical bash-the-ball muscle game as the others you mentioned, but she won by her amazing court sense, consistency, and anticipation.

    I think that she was thrown into being "too good too soon" syndrome. I mean, who can say that they were #1 in the world at the age of 16? That is unheard of these days. She is still relatively young at 25...who knows?
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  13. Kaptain Karl

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    Unfortunately, Ballmachine is right. Hingis *was* a pris.

    I'm hoping the "older, wiser" Hingis is a better sport. I liked her fluid game; just couldn't take her attitude.

    As I've said on other threads ... remember Agassi was a dope as a youngster. Now he is a pretty classy guy. There is hope for Martina....

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  14. fastdunn

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    I agree she is a great player and would be a nice to see her in today's
    big babe tennis.

    But I would not consider her as one of greats. She dominated tour while
    WTA was having turbulent times with series of unfortunate events.
    Once top class tennis of WTA tour was restored in order, she could not
    handle the challenge. In fact, she did not handle it like a champion.
    She did over-estimated herself and made some un-classy remarks to
    past injured champions like Steffi and Monica....

    Hopefully no offense to Hingis but I do think she is lucky to have that
    many slam titles under her belt. But if she makes a true comeback
    and shows she is a real champion, I might change my mind about her.
    In that sense, I think her comback has a bigger impact than others..
    But I doubt it. Current WTA is arguably stronger than anytime I've watched
    women's tennis...
     
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    Ballmachine and others who don't like Hingis. I don't know are you right or not, I know nothing about her, but if you are true then the more so it would be interesting if she plays, it brings some intrigue, arguments and etc. Tennis is more or less became very correct and dull after Mckenroy.
     
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  16. djbrown

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    no plans for a further comeback, per the SwissMiss herself:

    "It was a nice experience playing out there again and coming here for a good cause," she said. "It's always been my intention to play a couple of exhibition matches again and it just happened that this one was in a sanctioned tournament. It's not my intention right now to play any more tournaments."



    "The thing I've learned the most is that the physical side of things have really improved," Hingis said. "I was moving well out there tonight, but it takes so much energy to keep the focus up for three sets and it was just a bit too much for me tonight, where I am right now with my game."

    looking at some of these pictures http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=martina+hingis&ei=UTF-8&c=news_photos

    she sure seems comfortable with those kids. Tennis can use more of those types of people.
     
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  17. elquien

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    There were two key words in the article. WEAK SERVE. That was always her downfall and is now a even bigger liability now. It is a powderpuff serve not slow enough to throw people off occasionally like dementieva's. If she has not improved it top twenty is not attainable.

    my .02
     
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  18. chazz

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    I think Hingis should find a good doubles partner, maybe talk Kournikova into playing and enter a few tournaments. I'm sure they'd be competive in doubles and people would love to watch them play.
     
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  20. no.1retrieverUK

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    I miss those short skirts, c'mon martina
     
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  21. princehamlet

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    I am sorry to hear that,I think she needs some time to find the feeling in the court she used to own
     
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  22. hyperwarrior2004

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    Real champions shows everyone their great results and Hingis is one of them.
    Sorry, but your statement is ridiculous. Of course, a ball machine doesn't have a brain but a lot of balls inside.
     
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  23. alienhamster

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    Hingis is an obnoxious brat whose multi-dimensional and thoughtful game is sorely missed on the women's side these days.
     
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  24. Kaptain Karl

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    Finally! Someone helped me get my own thoughts into words. I am changing only one word....

    She did have the best butt in tennis, period.

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  25. alfa164164

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    She'll make her real comeback after all her Sergio Tachini lawsuits are settled.
    She doesn't want to risk losing in the more important priorities in her life right now (kind of like when Michael Stich lost his insurance claim with Lloyds of London after reaching the Wimbledon semis with a "bad shoulder").
     
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  26. baseliner

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    Actually ALFA is correct. Other news sites had reported she would not commit to a full time return to the WTA until the Sergio Tachini suit is completed. Note her comment that she does not intend to return to the tour at this time.
     
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  27. danniflava

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    I totally disagree with Ballmachine. Martina Hingis was #1 for 2 years without winning a Grand Slam because she was playing on weekends of every tournament she played. She played with a variety of shots, and didn't rely on power in a power-infested era, which is even more of a reason why she is so respected. People should learn through Martina!
     
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  29. Kaptain Karl

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    That's not a very good pic. They must have sent only the rookie photographer to shoot that match.

    - KK
     
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  30. bigserving

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    Hingis may be responsible for the power game that is prevelant on the women's tour now. When she was playing, she was the best counterpunching pusher on the tour. Players tried to move her around and overpower her. She was just better at playing defense than others were at the power game. Players realized that to beat her they would have to be able to hit even harder for even longer periods of time. That is how the tour evolved to what it is today.

    It does not surprise me that she quit her comeback after one match. She was never a player to show much heart. Hingis was the gloating prom queen on court when she won, the whiny, pouty excuse making, little wench when she lost. After this one match, she says, "I am 25 now I am not 18 yers old anymore. "She could not handle the fact that she could no longer compete with the best in the game so she blamed her shoes and quit. Her doctors physically cleared her to play years ago, yet no interest from her in competing.

    I can still see her breaking down and crying and having to be consoled by her mother after losing in the final of a major. Could you imagine if every player who lost behaved in that manner. Good for the game?

    About a year ago the little miss said that Venus was embarrasing herself by attempting to come back after a long layoff due to injury. She has also mouthed to the media trying to put Mauresmo down for simpy being a lesbian. This also after losing to her. The chick is not now and has never been anything close to a class act.

    I do not understand what about her would be good for the game today. I suspect that the posters who would like to see her comeback may just not be fans of the top players in today's game.
     
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  31. backhander

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    no doubt Hingis was a brat, but I still found her personality a good addition to the womens game, and no doubt her game was awesome, I think she had the best technique out of everyone.

    I was really excited about her comeback but it sounds like she isn't gonna continue with it, however, I don't think it is because of this first round lost. When Hingis was talking about this comeback, Serena was 8th in the world and people were doubting Serena's game. Now, Serena is 2 in the world, knocking on number 1 and just won the Aussie Open, maybe this weighed on Hingis' mind. Hingis always seemed scared of Serena in my opinion, and with Serena back towards the top, maybe that was a red light for Hingis to continue with her comeback knowing that her current game can't beat Serena's close to A game.
     
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  32. paulfreda

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    I live in Thailand and saw the Martina's (M) match with Weingartner (W).

    The above comment is very insightful IMO. Martina has very little offense. The only reason she won the first set was that there was so much hype and screaming in the stands, W must have been shell shocked. She, W, just did not hit her shots as became evident in the last 2 sets. W began ripping sharp rockets from both sides and M was on defense from the beginning of most every point. M has great defense, and impeccible shots when she has time to set up. But she never seems to go for the lines or hit a wicked groundstroke or angle like so many of the other ladies nowadays. Right now I doubt she could crack the top 15 or even 20 in the rankings.
    But what surprises me is that her coach, her mom, has not observed this and made the necessary changes and improvements. She can learn to hit more angles and lines and she can take the net to finish a point more often. These 3 offensive changes alone could make a huge difference in her results against these powerful groundstrokers. Her 2nd serve is a litlle slow moving topspin high bouncer and the girls just move in and take it on the rise. And her first serve is placement only without any great pace.
    One reason I think she could make it back to maybe the top 5 in spite of her small size and strength is the example of Amber Liu of Stanford. She is a slim little thing but has beaten many much more powerful college players with technique. She has won the NCAA Div I singles title the last 2 years and could become the first woman in history to win it 3 times if she does it again this year. What Amber does so well is relentlessly drive a flat ball to within 2 feet of the corners. It is amazing how well she does this and it just wears down her opponents. She also take the net, and without very much volley ability is often finishing off points where her opponent is in trouble. Her serve hits the lines often and gives her many free points too.
    For this reason I think Martina could come back from the physical perspective. But from the hard work and attitude viewpoints, I really cannot comment as I don't know how much she wants it.

    It must be very hard to have been on the top of the mountain and now feel she does not have any clear way to get even close to that again.

    I suspect her mom is a big part of the problem, but again this is just speculation on my part.

    I for one wish her luck. She is beautiful to watch on the court and tennis would do well to have her back.
     
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    Martina is one of the Greats!!

    She played seven years and has 5 slams, she dominated the tour in the late 90's-2000. The criticism of her game being defensive or lacking power is inacurate. Martina set up points better than any other player on either tour, she was smarter more consistent and BETTER than her peers. Every time I hear someone say that she left the game because "she can't handle the power of the big babe tennis (mary carrilo) it drives me nuts because her last grandslam OZ open 02--she beat Serena in the Semi's and was crushing Capriati in the finals before the heat & collapse, two of the biggest hitters in the womens game. I have seen martina play many times and she holds her own power wise from the ground. She is much quicker than she looks and has a brilliant tennis mind. Her serve is lacking power but it doesn't seem to effect her results.

    Leave Martina alone or pick on her for her off the court stuff, her game is pure tennis genius
     
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    I always enjoyed her game. It was a cerebal game that usually overcame her lack of power. She would drive the big hitters of the late 90's crazy. Granted, she was a brat. Lots of personal issues with her mom, lack of proper coaching, bullheaded and stubborn. Certainly not the class act of "Miss Class Serena". But she was good for the WTA for all the reasons that have been stated and I would like to see back with a game.
     
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    Interesting that you began that post writing in the past tense. I have no problem with your opinion of what Hingis did. (I disagree. But you are entitled to be wrong....)

    But then you switched to writing about her great game in the present tense. ** TILT!!! **

    She WAS good. Now she's just another player. It's probably up to Martina if she's going to be back in the top 20. Does she have the drive ... the hunger...? We'll see....

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    This is why many years ago that people thought Anna Kournikova would surpass Hingis and even the Williams sisters back when they were youngsters training at the Bollettieri academies. It's because she had beautiful technique and her shots had more penetration and she was more ambitious going for lines more than Martina. Kournikova could never match the power from the Williams sisters, but never had any sort of mental edge to live up to her potential. It makes me wonder if Anna had the mental mindset of a tennis great like Monica Seles, Navratilova or the fighting spirit of either sister, how good she would've been....
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  37. ibemadskillzz

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    losing 1-2 sets is not getting whipped. Tennis is much better without her? why?
     
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  38. Kaptain Karl

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    "IF" is a very big word. "If" Chang had not over-trained... "If" that wacko hadn't stabbed Seles.... "If" I'd listened to my Coach in the Jrs, and done some weight training, maybe I would not have wrecked my shoulder.... "If" my partner and I had tried the Watch Circuit (Now called Satillite) we might actually have "made it" in doubles. "If" my son hadn't gotten so enamored with how far he could hit the golf ball, he may have "made it." "If...."

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    I remember the 98 Lipton final against Venus when Anna was up a set and break, Venus was playing poorly, Venus got it together and played a good game to break Anna, but Anna still had a chance to win if he held it together mentally but she fell apart. Venus went up 5-2, Anna came back to 5-4, then played a bad game to lose serve, and the 3rd was a washout.
    If Anna had won that match I think her career might have been much different. I dont think she would have been a multi-slam winner but she would have won other tournaments, stayed in the top ten, and maybe won a slam.
     
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    If she had problems with Hueberger, Melanie sure isn't going to like this one.
     
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    So much for John McEnroe's stupid remarks that Hingis could do a "number" on Dementieva or Myskina when they played in the French Open final last year. Hello Dementieva and Myskina beat Hingis in her final year on tour. Dementieva crushed her and Myskina is not near the player she is today. She couldnt even beat Weingartner, Dementieva and Myskina would be the ones doing the "number" on the Swiss Miss.
     
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    that dude looks like tupac...
     
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