Hit directly at net person or not? Nadal says no.

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  1. kevhen

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    Hit once on the hand and sent sprawling by another stinging shot aimed in his direction, Nadal kept his composure in a 7-5, 6-3, 4-6, 6-2 win Thursday over Philipp Kohlschreiber and reached the third round of the Australian Open.

    After zinging a shot into Nadal's left hand at 1-1 in the second set, Kohlschreiber went right at Nadal again in the next game, knocking him down with another laser. Nadal blocked it back as he fell away and dropped his racket, allowing the German to hit an easy winner. Nadal got up slowly, looking over his shoulder and shaking his head.

    "The first one I understand, fine - you are in the net, you want to win the point," Nadal said. "But the second one ... he has all court."

    Kohlschreiber went for broke, ripping 48 winners and 58 unforced errors in the 3½-hour match.

    "He was in the way, I think," Kohlschreiber said. "It's tough, if you're not sure to pass him, go to the middle and play fast. I know he's not used to play so good volleys. For me, it was just a normal play."
     
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    Can't take him seriously when he said yes to capris...
     
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    Funny. What is Nadal in his capris doing up at net anyway?
     
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  4. Captain America

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    If you don't want to risk having the ball slammed at you, don't go the net. To paraphrase I. Lendl, "he didn't invite you up there"....
     
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    I'm in two minds about this

    1) players more often than not expect the pass left or right so they are ready for it so your chances of a passing left or right are lower plus it's easier to volley passes on the left or right for winners. Body shots are unexpected plus usually more difficult to volley for winners so your chances of winning the point improve. Usually volleys against body line shots are sitters or not very good volleys.

    2) It's considered unsportsmanlike or at least some people think it is. Personally I don't.
     
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  6. gb.tennis.junky

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    agreed.

    if you go up to the net, it means you're ready to return any ball
    , whether it's a passing shot, a lob or a ball hit straight at you, even an overhead hit straight at you.
    it's your opponent right to hit the ball anyway he wants to in order to win the point, whether it's sportsmanlike or not.
    this is why you need to hit a good approach shot and have confidence in your volleys.
    in any case, don't go to the net if you're scared of the ball.
     
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  7. cghipp

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    Sharapova definitely had no problem hitting at Rodionova during their match today, even though she was up 6-0, 40-0, and Rodionova was standing off to the side and had conceded the point, after she stabbed at a passing shot and the ball sat up short in the court. Sharapova had the entire court to put the ball away, and all day to do it, and chose to go after Rodionova instead. I'm not saying it wasn't fair play, but that doesn't mean it wasn't also classless.
     
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  8. dakels

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    That's a bit different then taking an advantage of aiming for your opponent. Such as: Short volley from opponent, you move up and player is blocking the majority of your angles into the court giving you the choice of A: Hit a very difficult angle shot, or B: Hit it at the player. In a situation like this, handcuffing you opponent may be the best chance for the point. I can't blame anyone who makes that choice. It's a big difference then what Sharapova did. I agree, that's classless indeed.

    Other option though and what I opt for if given the chance is hitting at the net person's feet.
     
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  9. The Gorilla

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    if you're in the ready position it shouldn't be a problem, if you have your hands by your side like mcenroe did v lendk, then you're asking to get hit.
     
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  10. cghipp

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    I agree completely.
     
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  11. Ryoma

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    I would love to see Nadal hit a drop shot and smash the return right at Philipp Kohlschreiber's face.
     
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  12. Jack Romeo

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    i don't see what the fuss is all about. hitting directly at the net person happens all the time, especially in doubles. even in mixed doubles, you have situations where the guy goes directly at the girl and hits her. the nicer players apologize after. the mean ones even have the audacity to stare down the player they've just hit. the businesslike ones just go on with no expressions. kohlschreiber just went on his way. i was sure i saw nadal's lips utter a four letter spanish word, though not really in the direction of his opponent. it's understandable, i mean it's just human to react to something like that. but they seemed ok in the postmatch handshake and there was no drama like in the last nadal-berdych match.
     
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  13. alcap26

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    If you can't get your *** out of the way then you should not be on the court. When you go to the net then you accept the risk of getting hit.
     
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  14. Solat

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    when you dont have the skills to win, try to knock them out.. :D
     
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    lol... Sharapova did it AGAIN, to Venus during the AO finals. Serena walked away calling her a b!tch. Sharapova once again shows her immature frustrations with an totally unnecessary overhead at an opponent.
     
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  16. drakulie

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    What a wussy. he needs to stay back if he is going to make sissy comments like that.
     
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  17. OrangeOne

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    Indeed. All that muscle and he still seems somewhat wimpy!

    If you can't stand the heat....go back to being 30ft behind the baseline where you're happy Rafa.
     
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  18. Punisha

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    yer... i hit at the oppostion... i dont mean to hit them... but i mean to make it difficult to return. Especially if i cant really pass em from my position.
     
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  19. tennis_nerd22

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    you guys are all stupid. are you saying its great to try and hit someone in the face with an overhead? how the **** would you big-shots feel?

    i mean yes you have to be prepared for any direction and speed of the ball at the net, thats a given. but there's a difference between that and purposely trying to injure someone with a 100mph smash in the face. how about we take turns doing that to everyone who says nadal is a wuss for saying its wrong to purposely hit people? lets see how you *****es like it. you people are just jealous that you can only rave about your "skill" on a stupid message board, while the "monkey in capris" can make millions. too bad losers.

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  20. Punisha

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    haha i hit one of my best friends in the stomach of an overhead... and just before he was hit in the arm my a drive volley...

    oh and one time i dragged him really far out wide backhand side... he drops short ball and sprints across to cover my crosscourt forehand. I try and just slap the **** outta the ball and hes sprinting across the ball hits him square in the head on the full...

    lol this all happened to the same guy
     
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  21. Lindros13

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    I've always felt that the most effective place to hit when hitting "at" a player is at their feet. If you hit any higher then they can possibly block it back. At their feet, it is much more difficult. And if you hit at their feet, then there's no harm, even if your mother is the opponent in a friendly doubles game.

    Now if it really is your mother, you can still hit it hard, but just don't smash it at her - otherwise if you miss your target (her feet), you may take her head off.
     
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  22. drakulie

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    Uhhmmm, no I think you are fairly stupid. If you are at the net and can;t handle it, either duck, or get the hell out of the way. Why should someone looking up at the ball for an overhead also have to concerned where his opponent is?

    Not only is Nadal a wussy, but apparently you are too.
     
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  23. tennis_nerd22

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    life is a two way street you sampras-wannabe
     
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    nerd, you going to start again just because you have disclosed here you can't handle any heat at the net?

    Tell me, how is it you hit a kick serve again? LMAO!
    I noticed you disappeared for a while after that thread. I also noticed you deleted every one of your posts (instructions) [cough] as well. LMAO!

    Been working on that kicker? LOL

    here is the thread in case you lost your mind:LOL

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=106160
     
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  25. tennis_nerd22

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    haha good one drakulie. omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomg, what pure ownage you 1337 L337 H4XOR

    drakulie: i decided im not going to try and prove myself to you until i make it to pro's, then when you ask for an autograph, i will roll on the ground laughing at you. so have your laughs now, im glad i can make you feel like you've accomplished something in your life by owning me on a message board (probably your greatest accomplishment, thats too bad :(), but ill have the last laugh.

    unless of course you happen to be in town, then a double-bagel for you can be arranged, as well as the butter whipped on by a few kick serve aces

    hahahaha thanks for the laughs you tool]

    on another note: care to say what a kick serve has to do with this thread?\

    and: kiss my *** b****
     
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    If you're worried that you might get hit... turn your back. If you get hit in the face, don't blame your opponent.
     
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  28. federer_nadal

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    I have a feeling that this might not happen. I would normally give you the benefit of the doubt but your cockiness, arrogance and kicker lead me to believe Drak wont be lining up for your autograph.

    By the way Drak has a porsche, that an accomplishment (cough, want a ride, cough, cough) ;)
     
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  29. tennis_nerd22

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    is that all you have in response? is that it? i was waiting for some 10 paragraph long insult and all i get is this? man am i shocked.

    so mr.sampras-wannabe, looking at your videos, i think you need a racket change. even though you want to be like your hero, it doesnt work, you're not good enough to use a ps 85, and you shouldnt try to look like him too much. get your own image.

    btw you might look like him and TRY to play like him, but you have about 1% of his skills, actually probably like 0.01%.

    So regardless of my kick serve, i laugh at you cuz you're a poser.
     
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  30. drakulie

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    Nerd, PLEASE post a vid of yourself hitting a kicker.
     
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  31. Tempyst

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    Because I have not trained myself in overheads, I usually end up hitting an overhead near my opponenets' feet. However, if I get better, I'll try and mix it up in different places.
     
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  32. tennis_nerd22

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    Drakula, PLEASE post a vid of yourself not being a poser.
     
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  33. drakulie

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    Come on nerd. We want to see what you meant when you said when hitting a kicker your wrist should hurt?
     
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  34. tennis_hand

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    Nadal is nice to say no, but it is not against the rules.
    You see Gonzalez did it against Fed a lot of times.

    Shriekpova even pounded down an overhead on Williams.
     
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    Can you post the links to the video's of you both? I just wanted to check em out.

    Thanks
     
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  36. andreh

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    Why is ok to serve a 120mph bomb into the body, but not hit passing shot at the body of someone at the net?? Just asking. Isn't it the same thing in principle?
     
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  37. LuckyR

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    Does anyone actually know someone who has been really injured by a tennis ball? I don't. (the most dangerous thing about a ball is tripping on it and twisting your ankle or knee, not getting hit with it...)

    If you're so concerned about it, run off of the court when you hit a pathetic floater, so when the other guy hits it at you, you can dodge out of the way and win the point!
     
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  38. Nick Irons

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    There is a certain 'Netiquette' (Pun) in tennis I think

    We've all probably gone at people before but doing so intentionally or with great malice is wrong I think. 'tennis nerd22' is correct; why would you intentionally try and injure someone ? I've played tennis for many years and can count on 1 hand how many times I've had no choice in order to win the point.

    Going at someone deliberately shows zero class.

    No, it is not the same. Hitting a passing shot is passing someone, ACTUALLY TRYING TO NAIL SOMEONE IN THE HEAD is uncool
     
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  39. grimmbomb21

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    I think hitting at someone at the net is a great play. It is usually unexpected, and it is a more difficult volley to return. It works better the taller and longer wingspan the net player has.
     
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  40. Volkl_4_life

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    tough call, i think is unsportsmanlike to do it repeatidly but mabye once is ok
     
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  41. andreh

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    I know a guy who was smashed in the crotch. The ball hit the court right in front of him and bounced up underneath. Ouch!
     
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    Hahahahahahaha... I think I saw that on America's Funniest Home Videos.

    But I stand by my statement.
     
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  43. JRstriker12

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    There have been a couple eye injuries - such as Thomas Johansson.

    http://www.smashtennismag.com/news/2006_05_09_b.html

    Johansson hurt his eye in February during a practice session with his doubles partner Mario Ancic in Rotterdam. A stray ball hit him in the eye and the impact detached his retina. Johansson underwent surgery right away to repair the damage.

    You can read more about his recovery in the ATP Player's blog.

    JR
     
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