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  1. Ducker

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    I've been practicing tirelessly since I was 21 I'm now freshly 27. Anyway recently played southern ca junior college player and beat him 6-1. Also just played a three star recruit and beat him 6/1 7/5. What's my potential or is it too late. I picked up tennis late obviously. I'm in so cal.
     
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  2. Lips

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    potential for what? going pro? none

    playing some open tournaments in so cal and doing well? great!!
     
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  3. Ducker

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    going pro never crossed my mind. Sorry i did not state that in my first post, didnt think it was needed.
     
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  4. Lips

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    when you asked is it too late...that's what I figured you meant...too old for college eligibility...sounds like you are solid player...when i move back to so cal we should hit...5.0 player..in and around hollywood
     
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    Spell it out. Potential for what?
     
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  6. Ducker

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    Yea just talking college. Don't think I'd go for it. I've already gone and have a good job now. I don't thin your college eligibility ever expires based on age.
     
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    It does depending on the division you're playing iirc.
     
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  8. andfor

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    Pretty sure you could play Junior College if you have never played college tennis. Same might apply for NAIA and NCAA D3. NCAA D1 is out, D2 is a maybe. I've posted many links to the rules here. Too bad they were not made a sticky. Check with a college coach or call or email the NJCAA, NAIA and NCAA. If you look on their websites they have email and phone numbers there. I know with the NJCAA their compliance officer will respond to your questions via email.

    Many of the posters in this section have very good knowledge on college tennis. Any of the credible ones here will tell you, concerning rules and compliance, get your answers from the source, either a college athletic dept., or the sport governing body, NCAA, NAIA or NJCAA. Best to look it up for yourself to get the right information and preventing false expectations. Good luck and let us know what they say.
     
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    if you have not done college or played any collegiate sports, you could probably play NJCAA, I had a 38 yr old partner my freshmen year at a JUCO so it is possibly. Have fun is the big thing and teach the youngsters something.
     
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  10. tennis_ocd

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    To keep the dream alive... don't really go by me but I *think*, in the unlikely scenario that a guy has a love for tennis and simply takes lessons and plays pickup games at his club or local park with no tournament competition, he might indeed be D1 eligible regardless of age. One (all really) must get amateur (and academic) eligibility certification from the NCAA clearinghouse.
     
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  11. andfor

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    D1 is out for a 27 year old. I do know in D1 tennis the rule is that tennis players have 5 years to complete 4 years of eligibility from the time of H.S. graduation. Tennis players must also complete H.S. in 4 years from the time they enter the 9th grade.

    There may be a remote provision for entering the military or going on a religious mission, if you were in a medical coma, alien from outer space, etc.

    For NCAA or NAIA the clearinghouse provision is required. No clearinghouse for NJCAA.
     
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    Huh, I didn't know that..
     
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  13. tennis_ocd

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    Again, no expert but I believe the criterion is competition after high school, not age. To maintain athletic eligibility a kid must stop *competition* 4 years after entering 9th grade. He would maintain 4 years of eligibility if it took him 6 years to graduate hs as long as he stopped competing after 4 years.
     
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  14. andfor

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    The rule for D1 tennis initial eligibility is as I stated.

    Read rule, 14.2.3.2.2 Tennis, for yourself. http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D114OCT.pdf

    More college tennis rules links -
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7747271&postcount=25
     
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  15. tennis_ocd

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    No... as I stated only true if he plays *competitive* tennis after hs. There are no absolute age limits for D1 sports. Google Chris Weinke. Played QB for fsu starting at age 26 after several years playing baseball. These are rare cases -- where someone would be good enough for a d1 program yet not play competitively after hs.
     
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  16. andfor

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    You're wrong about D1 tennis. Read the rule. The clock to begin play starts after 6 months from HS graduation. If you're right, explain how a 27 year old would be eligible to play D1 tennis. Good luck.
     
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  17. tennis_ocd

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    simply if he doesn't participate in organized tennis competition after graduating from hs. should he refrain, he could be eligible at 67. why are you crushing the man's dream?
     
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  18. andfor

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    Not reading the rule or failure to comprehend it does not make your position a correct one. DI tennis you are wrong. He may be able to play JUCO, NAIA, NCAA D2 or D3. Unlike you, since I am unsure of the actual initial eligibility rules for those divisions, I'll defer to someone who can show me, like I did you, or refer him to a college athletic dept. or the athletic governing body for accuracy.
     
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    Chris Weinke played under a special rule for those who enter minor league baseball upon graduating from high school. This has nothing to do with the situation of the original poster.
     
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  20. George Opelka

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    Absolutely correct. The Tim Smyczek rule. Unconfirmed, but I understand Tim turned pro because he had to not because he wanted to (he was unaware of the 6 month rule). Had no say in the matter.
     
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  21. andfor

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    Thanks. The Michael Kogan rule would be more appropriate. The rule was put in after Michael Kogan from Tulane finished school when he was 25 or 26. He was the NCAA runner up to Benjamin Becker who I believe started at Baylor as a 20 year old freshman.
     
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  22. tennis_ocd

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    An easy translation of the NCAA delayed enrollment rule:

    "14.2.3.2.2 Tennis. In tennis, a student-athlete who does not enroll in a college institution as a fulltime student after his high school graduation shall be subject to the following:

    (a) The student-athlete shall be charged with a season of intercollegiate eligibility for each calendar year during which the student-athlete has participated in organized competition per Bylaw 14.02.11."

    If appears if one does not participate in tennis competition after they graduate HS they do not lose eligibility. Nothing "special" involved. You see it in football simply because of the difficulty in competing in football after HS; it's too easy to compete in hockey, tennis, baseball, etc and players regularly lose eligibility years.

    If you wish to crush the OP's dream, inform him his problem will be due to the fact that he didn't delay enrollment in college; not due to some magical age.
     
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  23. tennis_ocd

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    Unless you're going to argue that Michael Kogan didn't compete in tennis from his HS graduation in 1996 to enrollment at Tulane in 2000, it's irrelevant to discussion.

    The world is chock full of guys who've lost eligibility by competing after HS. What's under discussion is the rare case where there is delayed enrollment with *no subsequent competition*; and that there doesn't appear to be any magical D1 age cut-off.
     
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  24. andfor

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    Are we going based solely on your interpretation or do you also know based on first hand experience in dealing with the NCAA D1 tennis initial eligibility rule?
     
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  25. tennis_ocd

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    Here's an excellent page on the topic:

    http://www.donovantennis.com/features/20120316.php

    While the author focuses on a one-year gap, my understanding is the NCAA D1 rules wouldn't be different if it was a 10 year gap.

    In reality, and in the sport of tennis, it would be almost unheard of for a D1 program to be interested in a guy who hasn't played competitive tennis in 10 years.... even as the author explains, 8-months of no competition can be an issue with coaches.

    But yes, as in football, a 27 year old kid could play D1 tennis if not playing competitively after HS (or only three years anyway.) And obviously I haven't had first-hand experience in doing so.
     
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