How can a superior athlete beat a superior tennis player?

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  1. Aurellian

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    Really good post. Kudos to you.

    I never said my opponent was nothing--but you accurately captured the essence of the eyeball test that we all inevitably give--I just said the dude was way better than a 3.0 because of the shots he was making and control he demonstrated. It was not the fact that he beat me. I get beat by 45 year old Chinese ladies in Bangkok. It was how he beat me...as if I had no chance on accord of his superior skill.
     
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    Don't put strategy and consistency in the same boat.

    Strategy is overrated until maybe the high 4.0 or 4.5 level. Not saying it doesn't matter at all, but it plays a much, much smaller role than execution.

    Consistency on the other hand is super important, especially at lower levels. The huge majority of points end on errors rather than winners. Fun thing to do - next time you're playing a match, ask a friend to keep track of points ending in winners vs errors. You will be surprised.

    And... if some dude starts wacking forehands at you and serving so hard you can barely get a read on the ball... and of course if he can do that consistently... then you are just outmatched. Nothing you can do in the short term about that.
     
  3. Aurellian

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    Yes, I was wearing green shorts. Were you wearing shades on an adjacent court?


    Thank you for your post. I find much of it meritous and helpful. I never noticed the thingy with the serve..and neither have the coaches which I see twice a week on two coasts:)

    I wish to say thank you again for your post;however, If i may, may I politely inject some context? Again, I do not wish to appear ungrateful, argumentative, or spurious.

    I am by no means a good tennis player. I am a decent bad player. That being said, I have played quite a bit in the past few weeks and have beaten 75% of the 3.5s that I have played. Some old, some young, some league players, and some tourney gentlemen.

    I fear that your brief observation of me playing that fellow was an inaccurate snapshot. When I play the weaker players I get bored, start thinking about unrelated things, and become a paddy caker.

    if I told you that three coaches have rated my backhand as a 4.0 shot and that on a good day my serve goes in 65% of the time and is largely unreturnable by my opponents and that I beat a 4.0 young but error prone league singles player at my club yesterday would you doubt it?

    Again, I am a bad tennis player, and perhaps these self-rates are complete hogwash, and maybe it was the match up... but I doubt most 3.5s would best me.

    Look, are you in town? why don't we have a hit?


    You are right that league players are better than tournament players.
     
  4. Velvet Ga el

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    All fair points. Anybody can play way up or way down on a given day, and that's especially true if you're playing a style of opponent that gives you trouble. I watched your match from just off the trailer and then from two courts over. And I only saw eight or so games, so perhaps it wasn't representative of your entire match.

    I don't put a lot of stock into practice matches or hitting sessions as a predictor of league ratings or matches. I've seen plenty of 4.0 doubles players look like fish out of water against 3.5 singles players. I've also seen 4.5 singles players drop numerous games (and even sets) against 4.0 singles players, largely because they take points off, get cocky (and thereby lazy), or try to improve on weaknesses they'd never do in a league match. Very rarely does the higher rated player take a practice match as seriously as the lower rated player (in fact, you admit to as much in your match against the tourney player)..

    To me, it's like Rasheed Wallace always says: the (league) ball never lies. If a guy is playing at a lower league rating than he should be, his results will show it. It's not perfect by any means, but it's a damn good predictor, especially for computer rated players. Nothing about Jason's results say 4.0, especially if he can't beat Larry. At best, they say low level 3.5. In fact, if you want to see where you are, get a league or tourney match in against Larry. He's probably a low-to-mid 3.5 right now, so he's a good benchmark for you. And I think you're selling yourself short: you're not a "bad" tennis player by any stretch.

    I'm in San Diego for the rest of the month, but I'll look you up when I get back in June.
     
  5. Velvet Ga el

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    Let me also add that I think you'd be better off playing 3.5 tourneys instead of 3.0 tourneys. By virtue of athleticism alone, you're not going to get much from those 3.0 guys. Stay there if you like to collect trophies, but otherwise I'd say move up to 3.5 tourneys to get more of a challenge. The guys there will test your weaknesses so you can work on them.
     
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    I didn't read all of this thread, but I've had experience with this great athlete vs. great tennis player situation twice.

    The first time, I was a sophomore in college and the #1 player on my NAIA team. NTRP-wise, I was an average 5.0 at the time. Anyway, the best athlete on our college basketball team was talking trash in the locker room about how tennis guys were wimpy and so forth. Therefore, I challenged him to a match, saying that I could beat him as bad on a tennis court as he could beat me in basketball. He said he played tennis in high school, and could easily make our team. With that, we headed to the courts, where I won 6-0, 6-0 in about 30 minutes. He had OK form and was fast, but he couldn't handle spin or pace.

    The second time I encountered this situation was with my brother-in-law, who was a fantastic athlete in high school, about 10 years ago. At the time, I had not picked up a racquet in months, and was waddling around about 40 lbs overweight, while he was a slim 170 lbs, and riding his bike 50+ miles a day. Again, he was talking trash about tennis and my general porkiness at the time, and I got fed up enough to challenge him to a match. Even though I hadn't played in a long time, I had a huge advantage (being a former ranked 5.0) with him only being a beginner that didn't even know how to hold the racquet properly. I won the first set 6-0 in about 10 minutes, not surrendering a single point... and he quit. I never heard him say a disparaging word about tennis again after that (and in fact, he bragged to some of his friends about how good I was).
     
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    I actually had a similar challenge in high school where I played a guy from the basketball team when I had a sprained ankle that I couldn't put any weight on. I didn't beat him 6-0 but beat him. I just kind of hopped to the ball and hit winner even on one foot. On the other hand, one of the best athletes in our school played tennis about 5 times a year and still could have played top 3 on our team.
     
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    I love this thread. It's the gift that just keeps giving. A fascinating twist on the classic "I can't believe i lost to a pusher" motif. A great reminder of why tennis is such an amazing sport. Of all the scalps in my drawer from high school tennis, the ones I enjoyed the most were the football and basketball stars who thought they could walk on and play tennis. They let me play varsity in 7th grade (small private school). I weighed 90 lbs and hadn't gone through puberty yet, so it was a real thrill beating up on the big star athletes.

    In my experience, the only thing more satisfying than crushing a big, strapping physical specimen is crushing a big, strapping physical specimen who is decked out head to toe like Rafa Nadal. Unfortunately, I play at 4.5, so my opponents are mostly good athletes who also have game. I'm going to state this weekend and will probably lose to a couple of old guys with knee braces.

    Stick with it, and you will meet some great people. You will stay in shape, and you will also develop skills in a sport you can play competitively for the rest of your life. Then when you are 60, you'll have the pleasure of schooling the young guys who are just learning the game. Just be careful and don't let your pride get in the way of your improvement. When you are beaten, think about what your opponent did right. What is the difference between his game and yours? Can you learn to do those things?
     
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    At 3.0 level, don't even worry about winning, think about improving instead. Take some lessons, figure out what you have to work on and practice, eventually, hard work and dedication will pay off. In tennis, a 16 year skinny kid can be one of the best in the world, so it's more about technique and ability than about raw power and athleticism. However, if you're athletic, and you can't move up from 3.0 to 3.5 in a year or two, then you're not doing it right. Change to a different coach, if you have one, or get one if you don't.
     
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  12. rajah84

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    You're most likely right, but you should resist telling people "you have no chance". You are not god, you don't know how skilled this guy might be. And the other player with 10 years experience, might suck.

    I say this because I remember beating guys easily who were top 4.5 players before I even started to play tennis. I'm not joking. Rankings and the amount of time are just indicators, I for one never trust. ;)
     
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    How do you beat people before you even started to play tennis? Fantasy tennis in your mind?
     
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    My 7 year old beats me in Wii Sports Tennis all of the time!
    He's good at boxing too.
     
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    not going to read this thread. but i have lost matches to people i had a better forehand, backhand, serve and volleys then. he was certainly in better shape and at the time atleast that night a better tennis player. movement and discipline are parts of what makes a good tennis player. so if you are such a better athlete than someone that you can beat them in singles than you are better at singles in tennis.
     
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    You can beat him. 1st concentrate on your serve and return game. The goal being get a efficient, effective style and method of delivering the ball on both 1st and 2nd serve. Then same for the return. Makeable 1st serve return/block, aggressive 2nd serve return.

    Next learn how to retrieve. You are an athlete. You gotta prove it in tennis, but with intent. When you are chasing a ball you will need to be practiced in blocking the ball to a good place or as is popular here a "smart target". If you can' t do this, I agree you have no chance. If you can , then you can make the superior opponent restart points enough to generate errors.

    Learn to attack any mistake, ie short ball.

    Keep it simple and do this, you can break him down.
     
  17. rainman007

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    to the op,
    nadal does it all the time on clay
     
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    I respectfully disagree. I believe strategy is (or should be) a major part of any competitive tennis player's game. Look, I recognize that stroke production is the first concern---if you can't even get the ball back where you want it, no particular strategy has any value anyway. But depending on the speed and direction of the ball coming to them, even 3.0+ players usually have some ability to get the ball back.

    I believe strategy becomes more important the better able you are to implement it, but even when I was a 3.5 player I made major use of strategy to beat opponents who were, on paper at least, better than I was. Poor net players I dragged in with short balls; better volleyers I ran from one baseline corner to the other. I used weather conditions to my advantage---on truly hot days, I worked hard to keep less fit opponents out there longer and I ran them as much as I could. Usually my goal was to get to a third set where I knew my conditioning would be the deciding factor. I made sure a player with a poor overhead saw lots and lots of moonballs, especially when facing the sun. Once I determined an opponent's backhand couldn't hurt me, he never ever saw another forehand the rest of the match, no matter how far I had to run around the court to make that happen. Same thing on serves---wherever his weakest return, that's all he saw the whole match. And I ran down every last ball and always forced my opponent to make one more shot. No gimmes or free points---ever.

    Mentally and psychologically, that sort of strategy---relentlessly chipping away at weaknesses and refusing to ever concede anything---takes its toll on an opponent over the course of a match. Even players who may have somewhat better strokes than you frequently find themselves becoming frustrated and being sucked into your game. And that is the whole point of strategy in the first place---to pull your opponent away from his strengths and force him to play in a manner he doesn't like or isn't good at.

    I'm not saying strategy alone will win a match for you, but when you face an opponent with better skills than you have, at whatever level you are playing, a smart player will develop a strategy and use it to try to level the playing field.
     
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    I don't think we disagree perhaps as much as you think we do.
    Strategy matters, but much less than execution. Seems you agree with that also based on the bolded bit.
     
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    How can a superior athlete beat a superior tennis player?

    Different people have different weapons. If speed and endurance is your weapon (superior athlete) then you need to use the baseline out endure the other player. Tennis is a physical sport and everyone who complains about pushers is wrong to do so. It is one of many weapons different people posess.

    if your 7 foot and slow but you kill it on the net. Maybe your hands and your presence is your asset. You need to get in and get the points. If you can serve 400 miles per hour never lose your serve that is your weapon.

    I guess my point is if your a superior athlete who can hit a tennis ball that might make you a superior tennis player. No I am not saying Bolt would kill Roddick where talking USTA where people are all suppose to be the same level. IE 4.0 who is fat and chubby that crushes all forehands versus 4.0 pusher who can run like a rabbit and spins things in well they are both 4.0 So Isn't the superior athlete as much of a superior tennis player as the superior tennis player?

    If a guy is a superior athlete and he is rated the same as you either the usta hasn't had enough time to get people rated correctly OR the guy has other flaws where your strengths are and overall the superior tennis player is even. OK i'm getting off on a rant but hopefull my point makes sense.

    On the pro level, Nadal is a superior athlete over Federer especially on clay, Federer hits better balls. This is a tough example because at the end of both of their careers i think it will be easy to say Federer was the superior tennis player. However both at their prime depending on the surface its hard to say 1 is superior to the other because athleticism can make a superior athlete even to a superior tennis player because that is their weapon.
     
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    if you cant execute your strategy then ie trying to move a guy to a certain position where you can hit it where he aint the next time and you just hit it out your strategy is pointless.. however
    if you have a poor strategy but execute a solid shot the other dude could make an unforced error or you execute a deep enough shot you cant get burnt then you still have a shot therefore i'd say execution is more important than strategy
     
  22. Aurellian

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    Strategy matters nil until 4.5. or when playing a player like me with a 3.0 net game, 4.0 movement, 5.0+ speed, 2.5 drop shot, 4.5 forehand weapon, and a 4.5 serve, and a 3.0 pusher backhand, and a 1.0 slice.

    I beat some 4.0s who are big hitters and big servers, but loose to the less athletic ones who just slice to my backhand.

    Below 4.0, just hit the ball back and you will win.
     
  23. Aurellian

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    Very apt screename you have.

    I get what you are saying though.
     
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    If your backhand is 3.0 then you are a 3.0. If we played you wouldn't hi a forehand unless you ran all the way around it, but then you leave the whole court open. I am a believer that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Get that backhand strong and you will be a force on the court.
     
  25. LeeD

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    Not sure what 4.0 league you play for, but in my world out here near SanFrancisco, every 4.0 has a decent first serve, a topspinning second serve, can hit multiple backhands whether slicing or topspinning, can place said backhands within 3' of the sidelines, have decent lobs given some time and a shorter approach shot, and often pound the backhand side of their opponent's mercilessly....or until they realize it's a losing cause, then plan B.
    ALL can return 100 mph first serves, and most have faced lefty serves in their past, and can return them somewhere IN the court.
    And most are faster than me, can change directions quicker, and take tennis more seriously.
     
  26. Aurellian

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    Yeah, you are smart and would likely beat me, but a hard hitting hard serving big hitter type I can and have hung with....because I hit harder than he likely does, can get to most balls unless its proper short ball putaway, and can block his serves back and rip my own....

    over an entire match, who knows, for one set, don't put your money on the other guy.
     
  27. Aurellian

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    I don't play 4.0 league, just entered a few 4.0 tournaments and played some 4.5s in charity events.
     
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    4.0 league would be guys who are strong experienced 4.0 players mixed in with some 4.5 players. To get to that level, everyone needs at least 5 years tennis playing experience and no weak strokes that can be taken advantage of.
    Like your thread on a 3.0 beating you, you are only as good as your weakest strokes.
    A 3.5 or 4.0, or 4.5, will not take you seriously, will probably be just fooling around trying goofy things, and will hardly run for any shots, much less hit their best shots.
    How seriously would you take a 3.0 who have glaring weaknesses?
     
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    Not in my case. When you smoke a 44 year old managing partner at a dc law firm in front of his client, two sons, wife (and her 80k worth of jewelry draped all over her) who has been playing for 15 years he takes you very seriously...even if it is at a country club charity event...his boys were ribbing him so much he kept screaming that I was at least a 4.0 and that I was the biggest "sandbagger in USTA history if I was playing USTA 3.0" The dude even sent a car for me so he could get a rematch--which he won by the way...He did not deal with that fact that he lost a hard hitting, hard serving, very fast 3.0.
     
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    Didn't you just support my case with the final sentence?
    Sure, he was trying the first time, after you got the lead, but he didn't have enough to overcome your fast start.
    Second match, he knew he couldn't goof around and took it more seriously.
     
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    Well, kinda. It proves nothing other than the fact that we are 1-1 with a set each and he is ranked 4.5 and I play 3.0 tennis.

    To address your larger point, he had to swallow his ego and mix up his game .he wanted to bang man to man and I out hit him in front of his audience...he was somewhat of a bully and was shocked when I out bullied him.

    He stopped hitting to my forehand, stopped drop shoting me, stopped going for winners, and just allowed me to make more errors...the first game was much more exciting:)
     
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    Holy smokes :lol: You're putting us on, right?
     
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    can't verify the exact amount of his lady's jewels....i just heard the other lady's assessment and repeated it.
     
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    When you get better you will read your posts here and do a face palm. Lol.
     
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    That's the biggest crock of crap I've ever heard. You don't have a freaking clue what you are talking about.

    And you forgot to mention your clearly professional-level ego. Geez, what a buffoon.
     
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    it is what it is....a game which is not equally developed.

    have a nice day bro
     
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    ROFL. Get help. Get help now. While medical professionals can still release some of the massive pressure building up in your head.
     
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    I dont know any 4.5s with a pancake serve.
     
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    Dude, you seem to not understand the rating system. A 4.0 is supposed to beat 3.0, 6-0/6-0 almost every time. Either he's not a 4.0, or you're not a 3.0. Assuming you're playing a mid-level 4.0, if you can get even 1-2 games/set, then you're 3.5, if you're getting 3+ games, you're a 4.0. It doesn't matter if you lose a match to a 4.0 every time, and just win your service games, it's the score that matters.
     
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    There was quite an audience too...dudes get really mad when you beat them in front of their lady and their kids...
     
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    When I play guys like that I serve two first serves...high risk high reward...basicly a serve fest....
     
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    He plays 4.5 and wins about 33% of his matches and I play 3.0 with about a 90% win rate.

    I don't know what I am save streaky...I don't play like most players do...I have way more power, a lot more foot speed, and sometimes if the better player has a bad day and my serve is on I win...
     
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    Bud, you would be taken a lot more seriously by the people on here if you would shut up for a few minutes and just listen to yourself. Every other post from you is another effort to impress all of us with how you "smoked" this law firm partner or "crushed" that CEO. Do you even realize how ludicrous all that stuff sounds, "bro"? It isn't about what level you are playing at, isn't about your past life of athletic near-glory, isn't about your lightning foot speed, isn't about your "monster" forehand, isn't about whether your serve speed is 20 MPH or 120 MPH, isn't even about who you beat or lose to. If you would shut down the ridiculously self-serving comments for a while and simply engage people in intelligent conversation about tennis, you might actually learn something or offer some opinion that others would be interested in hearing. The way it is, all you continue to do is look remarkably like a little boy trying to convince the rest of the kids to let him play ball with them.

    If you want to be taken seriously, knock off the bragging, the self-inflating claims, all the details about who you play with and where (that are clearly an effort to impress us), and simply talk about tennis. Honestly. Without the ego-polishing. Because at some point nobody on here will take you seriously AT ALL and nothing you say---even points that might have merit---will matter to anyone here.

    Now you can go ahead and mock me for calling you out on this point. Feel free. I'm simply offering some advice. You are free to laugh and reject it.

    But you should take it to heart.

    Peace.
     
  44. Aurellian

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    My claims are 100% accurate...slightly downplayed actually....did I mention the time I hit a winner off a Ryan Harrison serve at NB's....now that is something I wish i would have recorded.

    I would love to play with you but my ankle is in pretty bad shape so I can't...and my grandma from Serbia is here so maybe in a few weeks.

    Sweetie, get beyond the inflammatory text which I do to rile you up...what am I really saying: a 3.0 self rate who should be a 3.5 is able to take a set off of a a 4.5 when the 4.5 has an off day and plays to the 3.5s strength.
     
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    To a 4.5 a 3.5 has no strengths.
     
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    I wonder if he even lifts?
     
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    Mentally, a lot....
     
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    No, he can't. Not in a million years. You are full of crap. It is painfully obvious you are an attention ***** and simply trolling on here to feed that need. Ryan Harrison? ROFL. Literally, ROFL.

    You are a total buffoon. I will waste no more time trying to point out truth to you. You are not capable of recognizing it. The sad thing is that you cannot see how foolish you look. I doubt you ever will. What a sad, pathetic little man.
     
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    I told ryan harrison to take a look at this thread. And he just called me and said the op is a legit 3.5. He asked me if I would ask the op to play as his doubles partner in the AO this year. Op can play fh. Since its his strength and he can hit winners off an atp level serve. Harrison said he will take the bh side because his bh is slightly better than the ops.
    He figures since the op can hit 50% first serves at 120 they will not lose any service games. 50% at 120 is better than nadal so harrison is confident they can possibly beat the bryans.
     
  50. Aurellian

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    yea, I knew you would have a hard time believing that one.

    i also negotiated a peace settlement between two opposing militias in the horn of africa....lemme tell you about that.
     
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